School giving us issues with speech therapy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

Speech impacts education but as a private they are not responsible to provide therapies like a public would. That is your responsibility to take your child. Many of us do and do it multiple times a week. It is what it is and you cannot put this on the school.

Yes - I think you are stuck although correct to be frustrated. Hopefully the school works for your child in other ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

Speech impacts education but as a private they are not responsible to provide therapies like a public would. That is your responsibility to take your child. Many of us do and do it multiple times a week. It is what it is and you cannot put this on the school.

Yes - I think you are stuck although correct to be frustrated. Hopefully the school works for your child in other ways.

I just continue to be confused as to why they allowed pull out services last year and not this year.

We’re in a bind because we didn’t find out we needed to identify a new provider until 2 weeks ago, so it’s hard to find an SLP period, much less one with after school availability.

[Anonymous]

I feel like the answer to your question is in your own post:
"Now her school is saying she can’t receive services during the day because she doesn’t have a “formal evaluation and isn’t language exempt.” They’re saying she would have to do it after school."

From that quote I understand that to receive services during the school day, your child needs a form evaluation. Without a formal evaluation, they cannot support the external provider. Perhaps they made a mistake last year by allowing an external provider without the documentation in place. I suggest getting a formal evaluation to clarify what your child truly needs. Depending on the results, perhaps your child will qualify for an IEP, services during the school day at your private, or neither.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

Speech impacts education but as a private they are not responsible to provide therapies like a public would. That is your responsibility to take your child. Many of us do and do it multiple times a week. It is what it is and you cannot put this on the school.

Yes - I think you are stuck although correct to be frustrated. Hopefully the school works for your child in other ways.

I just continue to be confused as to why they allowed pull out services last year and not this year.

We’re in a bind because we didn’t find out we needed to identify a new provider until 2 weeks ago, so it’s hard to find an SLP period, much less one with after school availability.

The school has to find the space and supervise the appointment given they probably are not cleared to work at the school. It's a safety issue as well. We did both private and public and neither allowed a speech therapist in the school. We had to pull out our child early from school a few times a week until after school spots opened. They usually save them for long term older kids who have been with them for a while. You aren't in a bind, you need to bring your child and ask for a spot later when it opens or hire someone to bring your child back and forth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

A private school casually recommended speech therapy in K is very different than a public school determining there is an academic need for support services in the school.

? In what world is a learning specialist supporting pull-out speech therapy a casual recommendation?

As I read the op, the school recommended she seek private therapy. Op found a private therapist that was recommended by the school (presumably on their pre approved list) and hired that therapist privately, to come to campus and pull her daughter out of class and provide services. The school did not perform an evaluation not provide any services. They just let op coordinate her own private services on school grounds.

Totally different than a scenario where a school has performed a full evaluation and offered to provide school services. As other pps have noted, privates don’t tend to offer support services and that’s the known risk everyone takes when they choose privates for their SN kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

A private school casually recommended speech therapy in K is very different than a public school determining there is an academic need for support services in the school.

? In what world is a learning specialist supporting pull-out speech therapy a casual recommendation?

As I read the op, the school recommended she seek private therapy. Op found a private therapist that was recommended by the school (presumably on their pre approved list) and hired that therapist privately, to come to campus and pull her daughter out of class and provide services. The school did not perform an evaluation not provide any services. They just let op coordinate her own private services on school grounds.

Totally different than a scenario where a school has performed a full evaluation and offered to provide school services. As other pps have noted, privates don’t tend to offer support services and that’s the known risk everyone takes when they choose privates for their SN kids.

No — the provider we worked with last year already came to the school to work with other kids.

Same with the provider the school recommended for this year. They’re already cleared to come to the school.

The school does not have an SLP on staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

A private school casually recommended speech therapy in K is very different than a public school determining there is an academic need for support services in the school.

? In what world is a learning specialist supporting pull-out speech therapy a casual recommendation?

As I read the op, the school recommended she seek private therapy. Op found a private therapist that was recommended by the school (presumably on their pre approved list) and hired that therapist privately, to come to campus and pull her daughter out of class and provide services. The school did not perform an evaluation not provide any services. They just let op coordinate her own private services on school grounds.

Totally different than a scenario where a school has performed a full evaluation and offered to provide school services. As other pps have noted, privates don’t tend to offer support services and that’s the known risk everyone takes when they choose privates for their SN kids.

No — the provider we worked with last year already came to the school to work with other kids.

Same with the provider the school recommended for this year. They’re already cleared to come to the school.

The school does not have an SLP on staff.

The provider may be cleared to come to the school, but school now needs your child to have a formal evaluation completed to continue to qualify to be seen during the school day. Without the evaluation, they won't allow your child to be seen during the day. Yes, this is a change from last year. Perhaps last year's situation was due to an oversight on their part or they've changed their policy. Either way, if you hope to get your DC seen during the school day, step one is to get the formal evaluation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

A private school casually recommended speech therapy in K is very different than a public school determining there is an academic need for support services in the school.

? In what world is a learning specialist supporting pull-out speech therapy a casual recommendation?

As I read the op, the school recommended she seek private therapy. Op found a private therapist that was recommended by the school (presumably on their pre approved list) and hired that therapist privately, to come to campus and pull her daughter out of class and provide services. The school did not perform an evaluation not provide any services. They just let op coordinate her own private services on school grounds.

Totally different than a scenario where a school has performed a full evaluation and offered to provide school services. As other pps have noted, privates don’t tend to offer support services and that’s the known risk everyone takes when they choose privates for their SN kids.

No — the provider we worked with last year already came to the school to work with other kids.

Same with the provider the school recommended for this year. They’re already cleared to come to the school.

The school does not have an SLP on staff.

The provider may be cleared to come to the school, but school now needs your child to have a formal evaluation completed to continue to qualify to be seen during the school day. Without the evaluation, they won't allow your child to be seen during the day. Yes, this is a change from last year. Perhaps last year's situation was due to an oversight on their part or they've changed their policy. Either way, if you hope to get your DC seen during the school day, step one is to get the formal evaluation.

NP. STep one is to get clarity on what they mean by "formal evaluation" and what the exact other steps are to get an SLP approved during the day. Because, honestly, it's possible they have just decided that they don't want to deal with in-school therapy anymore and are now hiding behind new excuses or "policies". If they are creating hoops that are impossible to jump through, it's better you know now and just focus on finding a provider for after school.

Private school get to make their own rules as far as SN supports go, and they are allowed to change them any time. Our private was great and worked with us, but that's because they constantly struggled with low enrollment. If this is a school that is in demand, they are not concerned about keeping you happy.

[Anonymous]

OP, this doesn't make sense if the provider is already at the school. Ask them what they mean by a formal evaluation - can the SLP do it or do you need a psychologist or even just your ped or a developmental ped. Then, get them what they ask and then insist it happen at school. However, find the best SLP, not the easiest.

[Anonymous]

Call the school. I agree what they told you makes me sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you want to pick your child up mid day, go to therapy and bring her back to school, depending on timing? That isn’t uncommon and often what families have to do, at least initially, as after school time slots often have very long waitlists. My son was able to do therapy via zoom, so while he missed some class time, it was lessened due to not having to travel back and forth.

No. I want to do what we did last year, which was having the SLP come to her school.

I don’t understand why her school allowed it last year and not this year.

It may be a space issue. May be a supervision issue. But, it’s really not their responsibility to handle an outside private provider.

It is their responsibility to tend to their students’ educational needs, though, and they recommended speech therapy.

Speech impacts education but as a private they are not responsible to provide therapies like a public would. That is your responsibility to take your child. Many of us do and do it multiple times a week. It is what it is and you cannot put this on the school.

Yes - I think you are stuck although correct to be frustrated. Hopefully the school works for your child in other ways.

I just continue to be confused as to why they allowed pull out services last year and not this year.

We’re in a bind because we didn’t find out we needed to identify a new provider until 2 weeks ago, so it’s hard to find an SLP period, much less one with after school availability.

Op, my DCs are in private and get pulled out for tutoring. DC got pulled out 3x per week for dyslexia remediation, and we have friends whose children get pulled out for OT or speech.

When I initially asked about my DC getting pulled out, the learning specialist told me getting excused from language class wasn’t in the neuropsych, so they could t do it. So I went back to the psychologist and asked for them to put that accommodation in DC’s neuropsych. No problem after that.

Ask the learning specialist what paperwork is needed to allow the pull-out.

There was still a delay of a couple of weeks at the beginning of the school year while DC’s tutor waited for the results from the background check, but then it was pretty seamless.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

I'm confused. What did the evaluation from the SlP show? Why do you need something else if the child was already diagnosed ? Seems like a strange approach

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. What did the evaluation from the SlP show? Why do you need something else if the child was already diagnosed ? Seems like a strange approach

It doesn't sound like the child got a full speech evaluation but school was concerned and OP agreed to ST. New therapist can do a full evaluation and then give that to the school to justify services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. What did the evaluation from the SlP show? Why do you need something else if the child was already diagnosed ? Seems like a strange approach

It doesn't sound like the child got a full speech evaluation but school was concerned and OP agreed to ST. New therapist can do a full evaluation and then give that to the school to justify services.

OP here. She did have a full eval and got a diagnosis. But since that was done by an SLP, her school is saying it’s not sufficient.

Her school is saying that in order for a kid to receive pull out services, they need a neuropsych eval with a diagnosis of a learning disability.

This is throwing all the providers who come to the school for a loop, as it wasn’t the policy in past years. They are needing to suddenly fit all the speech kids in after school, unless they have a neuropsych eval and LD diagnosis, which many of them do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm confused. What did the evaluation from the SlP show? Why do you need something else if the child was already diagnosed ? Seems like a strange approach

It doesn't sound like the child got a full speech evaluation but school was concerned and OP agreed to ST. New therapist can do a full evaluation and then give that to the school to justify services.

OP here. She did have a full eval and got a diagnosis. But since that was done by an SLP, her school is saying it’s not sufficient.

Her school is saying that in order for a kid to receive pull out services, they need a neuropsych eval with a diagnosis of a learning disability.

This is throwing all the providers who come to the school for a loop, as it wasn’t the policy in past years. They are needing to suddenly fit all the speech kids in after school, unless they have a neuropsych eval and LD diagnosis, which many of them do not.

That makes sense but a learning disorder is separate from a speech disorder so if child is not having academic issues it's absurd to spend the money for a neuropsych when that money is better spent on speech therapy. I'd ask for the policy in writing. Can you do a psycho-educational instead which would be cheaper? We had to pull our kid out of school a few times a week for a few years prior to getting an afternoon appointment.