Maret’s brand of progressive

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

OP here and YES - if someone’s paying $39,000 for private school, it’s reasonable to want the focus to be on academics - yes you can go to another school but are there any schools that don’t do some version of this stuff?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that’s complete non-sense. So talking to elementary school aged kids about sexual orientation is basically talking to them about sex. Is that appropriate for a 7 year old? If it’s not appropriate to talk to that age about sex, why parade around terms like LGBTQ in the elementary school classroom? You can be inclusive but still keep things AGE appropriate. That poster in the high school library wouldn’t bother me one bit.

Do you feel that way when teachers read their elementary school students stories that mention a mom and a dad, or a husband and wife? That's talking to kids about sexual orientation, so by your logic, it's talking to them about sex. Are you aghast if someone in your kid's kindergarten class asks the teacher if she's married, and she says "Yes, I have a husband and two dogs at home"? Is that "parading" sex around in the classroom?

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

Except it’s not 30 seconds and this is not a movie. It’s school. & we are talking about ELEMENTARY aged kids who shouldn’t know what sex is let alone sexual orientation.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that’s complete non-sense. So talking to elementary school aged kids about sexual orientation is basically talking to them about sex. Is that appropriate for a 7 year old? If it’s not appropriate to talk to that age about sex, why parade around terms like LGBTQ in the elementary school classroom? You can be inclusive but still keep things AGE appropriate. That poster in the high school library wouldn’t bother me one bit.

THIS.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

OP here and YES - if someone’s paying $39,000 for private school, it’s reasonable to want the focus to be on academics - yes you can go to another school but are there any schools that don’t do some version of this stuff?

Are you asking if there are other schools that don't talk about sexual orientation generally, or are there other schools that don't talk about gay people? Because all schools discuss straight relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that’s complete non-sense. So talking to elementary school aged kids about sexual orientation is basically talking to them about sex. Is that appropriate for a 7 year old? If it’s not appropriate to talk to that age about sex, why parade around terms like LGBTQ in the elementary school classroom? You can be inclusive but still keep things AGE appropriate. That poster in the high school library wouldn’t bother me one bit.

Exactly. That's why you shouldn't talk to kids about marriage, or families, or parents. 7 year olds should have no idea how babies are made, even if they have younger siblings and have actually seen their mother pregnant. Just tell them storks bring babies. Teachers better not mention if they are married or have their own kids. No books with families in the. Eeew. Kids have no idea what romantic love or crushes are.

Oh, when you said "sexual orientation," you only meant gay. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

Except it’s not 30 seconds and this is not a movie. It’s school. & we are talking about ELEMENTARY aged kids who shouldn’t know what sex is let alone sexual orientation.

Ok. Do you feel the same way about books in ELEMENTARY school that talk about straight couples? Like moms and dads? Do you feel the same way when elementary school teachers tell their students about their home life and mention their opposite sex spouse?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

Except it’s not 30 seconds and this is not a movie. It’s school. & we are talking about ELEMENTARY aged kids who shouldn’t know what sex is let alone sexual orientation.

I grew up on a farm. LOL that ES kids shouldn't know what sex is. What do you tell your kid when they ask where babies come from?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that’s complete non-sense. So talking to elementary school aged kids about sexual orientation is basically talking to them about sex. Is that appropriate for a 7 year old? If it’s not appropriate to talk to that age about sex, why parade around terms like LGBTQ in the elementary school classroom? You can be inclusive but still keep things AGE appropriate. That poster in the high school library wouldn’t bother me one bit.

Do you feel that way when teachers read their elementary school students stories that mention a mom and a dad, or a husband and wife? That's talking to kids about sexual orientation, so by your logic, it's talking to them about sex. Are you aghast if someone in your kid's kindergarten class asks the teacher if she's married, and she says "Yes, I have a husband and two dogs at home"? Is that "parading" sex around in the classroom?

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. At the risk of becoming dumber by responding, kids are social beings - they can understand relationships in their own way and not know what having sex is at the age of 7. You can understand relationships including marriage from an age-appropriate viewpoint. But when you talk about SEXUAL orientation with these terms you are now explicitly talking about SEX.

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What a lot of these posters don't understand is that removing all mention of same-sex relationships in schools isn't "neutrality." It's affirmatively taking the position that only opposite-sex relationships are normal because those relationships are everywhere in our culture, including in our schools. You're still talking about sex in school. You're just only talking about straight sex.

I know it feels better to say you just want schools to be silent on the issue, but that's not what you're actually asking for. You're asking schools to be silent only on one side of the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

Except it’s not 30 seconds and this is not a movie. It’s school. & we are talking about ELEMENTARY aged kids who shouldn’t know what sex is let alone sexual orientation.

Ok. Do you feel the same way about books in ELEMENTARY school that talk about straight couples? Like moms and dads? Do you feel the same way when elementary school teachers tell their students about their home life and mention their opposite sex spouse?

No genius, because those books don’t say “straight” - if straight people ran around screaming I am STRAIGHT and put up posters about it, I would have the same PROBLEM.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that’s complete non-sense. So talking to elementary school aged kids about sexual orientation is basically talking to them about sex. Is that appropriate for a 7 year old? If it’s not appropriate to talk to that age about sex, why parade around terms like LGBTQ in the elementary school classroom? You can be inclusive but still keep things AGE appropriate. That poster in the high school library wouldn’t bother me one bit.

Do you feel that way when teachers read their elementary school students stories that mention a mom and a dad, or a husband and wife? That's talking to kids about sexual orientation, so by your logic, it's talking to them about sex. Are you aghast if someone in your kid's kindergarten class asks the teacher if she's married, and she says "Yes, I have a husband and two dogs at home"? Is that "parading" sex around in the classroom?

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. At the risk of becoming dumber by responding, kids are social beings - they can understand relationships in their own way and not know what having sex is at the age of 7. You can understand relationships including marriage from an age-appropriate viewpoint. But when you talk about SEXUAL orientation with these terms you are now explicitly talking about SEX.

So what's wrong with a statement that people can have same-sex relationships? Why is it age-appropriate to talk about opposite sex relationships, but talking about same sex relationships is by definition talking about SEX?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

Also if straight people ran around screaming I am STRAIGHT and put up posters about it, I would have the same PROBLEM.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that’s complete non-sense. So talking to elementary school aged kids about sexual orientation is basically talking to them about sex. Is that appropriate for a 7 year old? If it’s not appropriate to talk to that age about sex, why parade around terms like LGBTQ in the elementary school classroom? You can be inclusive but still keep things AGE appropriate. That poster in the high school library wouldn’t bother me one bit.

Do you feel that way when teachers read their elementary school students stories that mention a mom and a dad, or a husband and wife? That's talking to kids about sexual orientation, so by your logic, it's talking to them about sex. Are you aghast if someone in your kid's kindergarten class asks the teacher if she's married, and she says "Yes, I have a husband and two dogs at home"? Is that "parading" sex around in the classroom?

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. At the risk of becoming dumber by responding, kids are social beings - they can understand relationships in their own way and not know what having sex is at the age of 7. You can understand relationships including marriage from an age-appropriate viewpoint. But when you talk about SEXUAL orientation with these terms you are now explicitly talking about SEX.

So what's wrong with a statement that people can have same-sex relationships? Why is it age-appropriate to talk about opposite sex relationships, but talking about same sex relationships is by definition talking about SEX?

Another genius I see. Because straight people aren’t putting I am unapologetically STRAIGHT on posters.

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Anonymous wrote:How progressive are they? Toured last year and saw some interesting things like a “Unapologetically Queer” in the elementary school library. Do they talk to elementary aged kids about gender identity? Any insight is appreciated.

Are you referring to an adult, a child, a poster, a book? What exactly did you see? And if anything being unapologetically queer bothers you, go elsewhere.

This. Also, there are all types of kids there but it is a progressive school. More power to them.

Not OP, but I think many parents are somewhat concerned about the extent to which progressive political sloganeering has become part of the educational environment. I don't think the concern is with queer people per se, but rather, having everything be such a main focus of time and attention. Of course, everyone wants their kids to be accepting and welcoming. That is not the same thing as having an environment where certain groups are essentially put on a pedestal, and then there is social pressure to be like that or to go out of your way to praise it (when other kids aren't getting that praise just for being who they happen to be).

The entire culture is designed to support cisgendered heterosexual relationships. Straight kids get validation for who they happen to be every day - that's the default in our culture. Every plotline in a movie where a man and a woman fall in love, every ad that shows an opposite sex couple, every story that talks about a family with a mom and a dad -- that's praise, and it's been the default for centuries. It's more than a little disingenuous to claim that straight kids are harmed when they aren't centered for 30 seconds.

Except it’s not 30 seconds and this is not a movie. It’s school. & we are talking about ELEMENTARY aged kids who shouldn’t know what sex is let alone sexual orientation.

Ok. Do you feel the same way about books in ELEMENTARY school that talk about straight couples? Like moms and dads? Do you feel the same way when elementary school teachers tell their students about their home life and mention their opposite sex spouse?

No genius, because those books don’t say “straight” - if straight people ran around screaming I am STRAIGHT and put up posters about it, I would have the same PROBLEM.

They don't have to say "I am straight" because it's assumed that everyone is straight by default, and it's also approved of by default. They already have the support that gay people are seeking. They don't need posters. And the books say straight constantly when they have opposite sex relationships in them.