Opt-out policy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

No, it's not. You don't get to opt out of other people's Iives. They exist.

You realize you sound Ike someone decades ago fighting segregation or interracial marriage which is why those fighting for the opportunity to opt out are being called bigots, homophobes, etc. It is because you are

This is a terrible comparison. Those fighting to opt out are in line with reality and science which those opposing segregation and opposing interracial marriage never were.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Exactly. No opt-out for books that include religious holidays, no opt-out for books that have gay or trans characters, no opt-out for books where people eat meat or raise animals for meat, no opt-out for books that have drawings or paintings of people, no opt-out for books where children defy their parents, no opt-out for books where characters fall out of their clothes as they travel through their dreams to magical kitchens, etc. etc. etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

No, it's not. You don't get to opt out of other people's Iives. They exist.

You realize you sound Ike someone decades ago fighting segregation or interracial marriage which is why those fighting for the opportunity to opt out are being called bigots, homophobes, etc. It is because you are

This is a terrible comparison. Those fighting to opt out are in line with reality and science which those opposing segregation and opposing interracial marriage never were.

Well, you're going to have to decide. Do you have a religious objection? Or do you object because you believe books about (for example) a family at a Pride parade are out of line with reality and science? One or the other. Not both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

No, it's not. You don't get to opt out of other people's Iives. They exist.

You realize you sound Ike someone decades ago fighting segregation or interracial marriage which is why those fighting for the opportunity to opt out are being called bigots, homophobes, etc. It is because you are

This is a terrible comparison. Those fighting to opt out are in line with reality and science which those opposing segregation and opposing interracial marriage never were.

"reality" and "science"? how so? trans people don't exist? gay people don't exist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

MCPS is doing nothing to prevent parents from addressing these and other issues at home if they choose. In fact, Dr. McKnight encouraged just that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

Like English/Language Arts, for example? Reading? Books?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

Which books are "a bit over the top"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

MCPS is doing nothing to prevent parents from addressing these and other issues at home if they choose. In fact, Dr. McKnight encouraged just that.

You mean McKnight actually told parents they should be countering MCPS propaganda at home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

Which books are "a bit over the top"?

Genderqueer, This Book Is Gay, and Lawn Boy for starters. I'm quite liberal so I don't care if my kids read these. But I have to think that more conservative people, especially religious people, won't like their kids being exposed to these at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

Which books are "a bit over the top"?

Genderqueer, This Book Is Gay, and Lawn Boy for starters. I'm quite liberal so I don't care if my kids read these. But I have to think that more conservative people, especially religious people, won't like their kids being exposed to these at all.

Good news! These books are not under discussion! Here is the list of LGBTQ-Inclusive Texts Approved for Instructional Use:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0TsuuWckSvLucXh_xxl28X7eD0EkHzZjR6eXLBqOR4/edit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

MCPS is doing nothing to prevent parents from addressing these and other issues at home if they choose. In fact, Dr. McKnight encouraged just that.

You mean McKnight actually told parents they should be countering MCPS propaganda at home?

Why not? Just like I did when my child brought a worksheet with "Abraham Lincoln and George Washington were both farmers" home from kindergarten, for President's Day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

Which books are "a bit over the top"?

Genderqueer, This Book Is Gay, and Lawn Boy for starters. I'm quite liberal so I don't care if my kids read these. But I have to think that more conservative people, especially religious people, won't like their kids being exposed to these at all.

Good news! These books are not under discussion! Here is the list of LGBTQ-Inclusive Texts Approved for Instructional Use:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0TsuuWckSvLucXh_xxl28X7eD0EkHzZjR6eXLBqOR4/edit

Now do a title search in MCPS school libraries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the right to religious freedom is being trampled on at MCPS. We are literally one of the 13 original colonies. And the sad part is that people are afraid to speak up because crazies like Kristin Mink or Jill Ortman Fouse will call them a white supremacist and get away with it.

You're welcome to home school your kids or send them to a madrasa or catholic school. Lots of options.

This is really objectionable. Public school is for everyone, even if you don't like them. Not everyone can afford private school, and it's not good public policy to encourage children to get insular educations. You want them to be exposed to others and learn tolerance. And tolerance goes both ways, FWIW. The 1st amendment expressly protects freedom of religion. An opt out policy is a much saner policy than a book ban.

Where does it end? I've never heard of any chance to opt out of any part of the MCPS curriculum suggested other than stuff having to do with LGBT people or sex, but that's hardly the only time MCPS teaches things that contradict people's religious beliefs. We teach evolution, we invite police to talk about their jobs, we teach about voting, but there's established religious groups opposed to all of those things. Do they get opt outs? Where does the option for bespoke public education end?

Some of the books are a bit over the top. Most people in this area are tolerant and kids are exposed to it.

Perhaps if MCPS got back to the basics kids would be doing better at school. Let parents address these and other issues at home, if they choose.

Which books are "a bit over the top"?

Genderqueer, This Book Is Gay, and Lawn Boy for starters. I'm quite liberal so I don't care if my kids read these. But I have to think that more conservative people, especially religious people, won't like their kids being exposed to these at all.

Good news! These books are not under discussion! Here is the list of LGBTQ-Inclusive Texts Approved for Instructional Use:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J0TsuuWckSvLucXh_xxl28X7eD0EkHzZjR6eXLBqOR4/edit

Those look pretty harmless.