Why is India supporting Russia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US has destroyed its credibility in India with its embrace of Pakistan.

Great! Then maybe they can stop their citizens from emigrating to the USA. We have enough Indian restaurants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why Americans can’t comprehend that absolutely no one besides America enjoys this current reality in which America dominates everything. Even Western Europe merely tolerates America’s domineering existence.

The developing nations of the world/global south/whatever ridiculous term you want to use to describe most of the world will support pretty much anyone who seems to stand a chance of toppling this America-led hegemony. It used to be that this support was quiet, but as America’s standing has slipped, this support has become open.

It’s not that India loves Russia. It’s that India hates America, just as Americans would hate India if India had a history and present of treating America the way that America treats everyone.

Sure but they'd enjoy it even less if Russia and/or China dominated everything. Also, for as much as people wanna trashtalk America, I'm sure India wouldn't be very happy if suddenly the US became isolationist, severed all diplomatic and economic ties, stopped commerce and everything else with India.

There is a looooooooooot of daylight between becoming "isolationist, severed all diplomatic and economic ties, stopped commerce and everything else with India" and "forcing other countries to follow its foreign policy decisions, hate its enemies and support its friends, despite what these countries' own interests might be."

THIS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s very disappointing, because Indian Americans are the second-most Democratic registered group after Black Americans. Something like 80% of Indian Americans are Dems.

Why is India turning their backs on us?

You must be at least mildly subnormal in IQ to think the choices of Indian Americans reflect a subcontinent of over 1 billion.

How are so many of the responses in this thread so unintelligent?

[Anonymous]

"Modi" is Hindu for "MAGA" that's why

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why Americans can’t comprehend that absolutely no one besides America enjoys this current reality in which America dominates everything. Even Western Europe merely tolerates America’s domineering existence.

The developing nations of the world/global south/whatever ridiculous term you want to use to describe most of the world will support pretty much anyone who seems to stand a chance of toppling this America-led hegemony. It used to be that this support was quiet, but as America’s standing has slipped, this support has become open.

It’s not that India loves Russia. It’s that India hates America, just as Americans would hate India if India had a history and present of treating America the way that America treats everyone.

Sure but they'd enjoy it even less if Russia and/or China dominated everything. Also, for as much as people wanna trashtalk America, I'm sure India wouldn't be very happy if suddenly the US became isolationist, severed all diplomatic and economic ties, stopped commerce and everything else with India.

There is a looooooooooot of daylight between becoming "isolationist, severed all diplomatic and economic ties, stopped commerce and everything else with India" and "forcing other countries to follow its foreign policy decisions, hate its enemies and support its friends, despite what these countries' own interests might be."

Read as "Wait, please don't go! We didn't really mean it!"

[Anonymous]

India and China consider Russia a cultural peer. America is an unquestioned economic powerhouse but the unifying thread in India/China/Russia links are that all three see themselves and others in this triad as ancient civilizations with sophisticated cultures, arts, philosophy and esthetics. They respect America's economic power but do not see them as a peer culturally.

[Anonymous]

You're all wrong. None of this is recent.

India has had a long term relationship going back to the 50s, when India was very poor and socialist. They were a former colony of the west and did not want to get sucked into either Superpower's orbit during the cold war. So they became a Non-Aligned Nation, which permitted them to have relationships with both sides. They also had a lot to fear from China, so they needed a friend in that part of the world.

The Soviets gave them weapons and aid, helped them end the conflict with Pakistan, and got an ally to counter the Chinese, with whom India had border issues.

Things ebbed a bit as China-Russia relations thawed, then around 20-ish years ago it picked up again. The biggest area of cooperation is military technology to India. They fly lots of MiGs, lease russian nuclear subs, S400s, even a Soviet aircraft carrier.

It's in India's national interest to not be forced into picking a side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The US has destroyed its credibility in India with its embrace of Pakistan.

Great! Then maybe they can stop their citizens from emigrating to the USA. We have enough Indian restaurants.

Yeah and they can keep their engineers and scientists too! That'll show them. As soon as we turn 250,000 west virginia coal miners into chemical engineers and biotech lab researchers.

[Anonymous]

It’s economically advantageous. India is competing with China and was hit horribly hard by covid. Cheap oil is irresistible to them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US has destroyed its credibility in India with its embrace of Pakistan.

Great! Then maybe they can stop their citizens from emigrating to the USA. We have enough Indian restaurants.

Yeah and they can keep their engineers and scientists too! That'll show them. As soon as we turn 250,000 west virginia coal miners into chemical engineers and biotech lab researchers.

DP. In fact they can. I’ve worked a lot with software engineers and let me just say I am not impressed. I imagine it’s the same with other stem professions. They just get the most visas so people think they are dominating the field but it’s purely in numbers, not the skill.
There are great engineers from Eastern Europe (how about helping Ukraine by creating a specialized talent program for its stem people?), as well as other countries. India is not a unique source of talent for anything.

[Anonymous]

India did not support the US 20 years ago when they wanted to issue sanctions on Iran.
Not sure why you would expect other countries to just not do business with the people you do not want to ostracize.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US has destroyed its credibility in India with its embrace of Pakistan.

Great! Then maybe they can stop their citizens from emigrating to the USA. We have enough Indian restaurants.

Yeah and they can keep their engineers and scientists too! That'll show them. As soon as we turn 250,000 west virginia coal miners into chemical engineers and biotech lab researchers.

DP. In fact they can. I’ve worked a lot with software engineers and let me just say I am not impressed. I imagine it’s the same with other stem professions. They just get the most visas so people think they are dominating the field but it’s purely in numbers, not the skill.
There are great engineers from Eastern Europe (how about helping Ukraine by creating a specialized talent program for its stem people?), as well as other countries. India is not a unique source of talent for anything.

+1. Probably the biggest misconception about the IT industry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US has destroyed its credibility in India with its embrace of Pakistan.

Great! Then maybe they can stop their citizens from emigrating to the USA. We have enough Indian restaurants.

Yeah and they can keep their engineers and scientists too! That'll show them. As soon as we turn 250,000 west virginia coal miners into chemical engineers and biotech lab researchers.

DP. In fact they can. I’ve worked a lot with software engineers and let me just say I am not impressed. I imagine it’s the same with other stem professions. They just get the most visas so people think they are dominating the field but it’s purely in numbers, not the skill.
There are great engineers from Eastern Europe (how about helping Ukraine by creating a specialized talent program for its stem people?), as well as other countries. India is not a unique source of talent for anything.

Agree with the lack of quality in IT professionals from India, but I think they have the snake charmer market cornered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just dont get it. Great article in WAPO today

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/20/india-us-relations-modi/

These days, New Delhi similarly refuses to toe the American line on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. India’s import of cheap Russian oil continues to break records. Anyone who wants to see Indian leaders stand up and publicly assail the Kremlin — one of their main suppliers of weaponry and a valuable source of raw materials — is in for a long wait.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/20/modi-cinema-muslim-hatred/

Anurag Kashyap, one of India’s most celebrated filmmakers, told me that producers are being asked to make films to government spec. “Powerful Hindu nationalist groups like the RSS [Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh] are meeting producers and telling them what films are to be made so it can empower the government’s own agenda,” Kashyap said.

Shouldn’t we expect our actual treaty allies in Europe to cease from buying Russian oil first rather than expecting a founding member of the Nonaligned Movement to do so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're all wrong. None of this is recent.

India has had a long term relationship going back to the 50s, when India was very poor and socialist. They were a former colony of the west and did not want to get sucked into either Superpower's orbit during the cold war. So they became a Non-Aligned Nation, which permitted them to have relationships with both sides. They also had a lot to fear from China, so they needed a friend in that part of the world.

The Soviets gave them weapons and aid, helped them end the conflict with Pakistan, and got an ally to counter the Chinese, with whom India had border issues.

Things ebbed a bit as China-Russia relations thawed, then around 20-ish years ago it picked up again. The biggest area of cooperation is military technology to India. They fly lots of MiGs, lease russian nuclear subs, S400s, even a Soviet aircraft carrier.

It's in India's national interest to not be forced into picking a side.

+1. The USSR helped India a lot in the past.

India doesn't hate the US like some people are saying, but neither does India feel beholden to the US. It's not like the US has been a great ally to India. On the contrary, the US helped Pakistan against India.

India has a working relationship with the USSR. They don't want to burn that bridge.