Any first-hand experience with the Navy swimming camps?

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

It's also a week of drills, not yardage, which is not what older swimmers need at that point in the training cycle.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

So you never do anything all summer because your kid is swimming?

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

So you never do anything all summer because your kid is swimming?

DP, generally families with serious swimmers don’t vacation until after the summer club champs meets.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

So you never do anything all summer because your kid is swimming?

Huh? Did you read the thread? Here’s the summary:

1#: has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice?

#2: I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point. My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

#3: The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

The question isn’t whether you do other things during the summer. The question is whether coaches sometimes prefer older swimmers or more elite ones to not do these camps.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

So you never do anything all summer because your kid is swimming?

DP, generally families with serious swimmers don’t vacation until after the summer club champs meets.

And beyond…Zones, for example.

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My kid is not a serious swimmer but we do coordinate our summer around summer swim. It is bizarre a coach would not allow a child to go to a swim camp for more help with professional coaches. Most club coaches are not at the same level of coaching as the college level coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

So you never do anything all summer because your kid is swimming?

Huh? Did you read the thread? Here’s the summary:

1#: has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice?

#2: I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point. My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

#3: The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

The question isn’t whether you do other things during the summer. The question is whether coaches sometimes prefer older swimmers or more elite ones to not do these camps.

It is bizarre that a coach would not support a child going to one of these camps. Naval Academy also has an elite swim camp. We've never done that one so I don't know what those coaches are like. My child is older, we just tell the club coach and summer coach and go. It's 5 days, really not that big of a deal. But, lots of fun, kids are well cared for, even the younger ones as I sent mine starting very young, and the coaching isn't comparable to even club coaching. They work heavily on technique vs. many of the club and summer work on endurance.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

It's also a week of drills, not yardage, which is not what older swimmers need at that point in the training cycle.

The kids swim I forget by a very intensive schedule at Navy Swim so they are swimming more than they would at their club. I forget if it's two or three sessions a day of swim or both. Most club coaches are not remotely comparable to the college coaches they bring in. There is a reason people ignore your club coach. I've spent many hours watching the kids swim practices and when I watch the Navy Swim its far more professional, far more drills, and technique than I've seen any club do, even at the elite level.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

So you never do anything all summer because your kid is swimming?

Huh? Did you read the thread? Here’s the summary:

1#: has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice?

#2: I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point. My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

#3: The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

The question isn’t whether you do other things during the summer. The question is whether coaches sometimes prefer older swimmers or more elite ones to not do these camps.

It is bizarre that a coach would not support a child going to one of these camps. Naval Academy also has an elite swim camp. We've never done that one so I don't know what those coaches are like. My child is older, we just tell the club coach and summer coach and go. It's 5 days, really not that big of a deal. But, lots of fun, kids are well cared for, even the younger ones as I sent mine starting very young, and the coaching isn't comparable to even club coaching. They work heavily on technique vs. many of the club and summer work on endurance.

This is why it is not a great time for in-season, elite level, high school age kids.

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

So you never do anything all summer because your kid is swimming?

Huh? Did you read the thread? Here’s the summary:

1#: has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice?

#2: I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point. My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

#3: The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

The question isn’t whether you do other things during the summer. The question is whether coaches sometimes prefer older swimmers or more elite ones to not do these camps.

It is bizarre that a coach would not support a child going to one of these camps. Naval Academy also has an elite swim camp. We've never done that one so I don't know what those coaches are like. My child is older, we just tell the club coach and summer coach and go. It's 5 days, really not that big of a deal. But, lots of fun, kids are well cared for, even the younger ones as I sent mine starting very young, and the coaching isn't comparable to even club coaching. They work heavily on technique vs. many of the club and summer work on endurance.

This is why it is not a great time for in-season, elite level, high school age kids.

I thought they needed to be a great swimmer to attend. Why so much technique?

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Anonymous wrote:NP, when do they open registration each year? And for those of you with club kids, has it ever been an issue for your club coach that your kid is going to this camp and will miss a week of club practice? My 11 yo DD would love to go to this camp but I don’t know how it would be received by her club coach.

I think this is why a lot of people responding are the 12&under crowd. In the high level groups at our club, the older they get, the less likely coach supports this. Summer season is short and with so few qualifier meets, our coaches want kids to stay on their training plan. Our public schools also get out well into June, so it’s really a short training season at that point.

My daughter went to UVA camp summer before 8th grade, no problem. The kids who were a year older were told they’d prefer they not go.

The quality of coaching at the Naval Academy doesn't even compare to club coaching and Naval Academy gets some of the top coaches in the country. The second session usually doesn't conflict with school. We pull our kid out as nothing happens the last few days of school. Our club and summer swim both fully support it and only a few days of practice is missed.

It could be the greatest coach in the world but if he’s coaching a wide variety of swimmers, for a short period of time, there is absolutely no way it can be as consistent or challenging as the swimmer’s senior level practices. Our senior coaches also discourage camps, and people are free to ignore that suggestion (and they do).

It's also a week of drills, not yardage, which is not what older swimmers need at that point in the training cycle.

The kids swim I forget by a very intensive schedule at Navy Swim so they are swimming more than they would at their club. I forget if it's two or three sessions a day of swim or both. Most club coaches are not remotely comparable to the college coaches they bring in. There is a reason people ignore your club coach. I've spent many hours watching the kids swim practices and when I watch the Navy Swim its far more professional, far more drills, and technique than I've seen any club do, even at the elite level.

Let’s be real: how many club practices are you watching? To have any real way to compare, you’d need to watch all older age practices for a significant period of time and then the same for the camp practices.