Is Peter Stuyvesant having the same problems as TJ?

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Anonymous wrote:Sty? lots of mit and caltech and totally miserable asian students there. they cannot wait to get to college, any college.

Lots of MIT and CalTech and totally miserable Asian students. 😁😁😁

I’m not saying I agree or disagree with this statement but there are a lot of schools like this on both coasts. Some HSs in Silicon Valley have high suicide rates and they are not even magnet schools—just base public schools.

Those aren’t normal high schools—they’re insanely wealthy suburban high schools. I doubt the public high schools directly in the cities of Oakland, San Francisco & San Jose have that issue.

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Isn’t Stuy where the son attended high school in the utterly engaging Dad post a few months ago? I wonder what his son finally decided?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

FYI, TJ classes of 2025 (the first year they implemented admission “reform”) and beyond are less competent than previous years. Many more have to take remedial classes in math. TJ teachers are quitting. There’s a reason why TJ has been admitting 550 instead of 500 before the “reform” and allows for a longer waiting list. Just to be prepared for weeding out some of the admittees and allow those more competent ones (e.g. AAP from Carson or Longfellow) to get in. Stop using race as an excuse for the lack of preparedness.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

FYI, TJ classes of 2025 (the first year they implemented admission “reform”) and beyond are less competent than previous years. Many more have to take remedial classes in math. TJ teachers are quitting. There’s a reason why TJ has been admitting 550 instead of 500 before the “reform” and allows for a longer waiting list. Just to be prepared for weeding out some of the admittees and allow those more competent ones (e.g. AAP from Carson or Longfellow) to get in. Stop using race as an excuse for the lack of preparedness.

Much better if those kids never get a chance. It's their fault they haven't been tutored and prepped since pre-school. If they wanted to go to TJ, they should have made sure their parents had better jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

OK, this is what I suspected. Thank you for confirming so I can avoid wasting any more time on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Their demographics are very different, with something like 50% of the kids being first gen, and nearly as many FARMS. I would be surprised if their college admissions results are substantially different than in the past.

This. I think it's business as usual over there. Stuy will always send a large number to schools like Cooper Union (which offers merit/tuition to every student), Baruch (part of the city system), and NYU with merit aid due to its student population. Not unusual for kids to pick those schools over MIT, Ivies, etc. A lot of those kids are not only extremely poor first-gen, they have to stay at home due to family obligations such as helping run the family business, plus the kids are often the only ones in the entire family that speak English.

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Anonymous wrote:Sty? lots of mit and caltech and totally miserable asian students there. they cannot wait to get to college, any college.

it's Stuy, since you're so familiar with it. You can look at their instagram page. The kids do great, which isn't a big shock, although money is often a big consideration. Every major college visits the school - some make pretty crazy announcements. UChicago said their director of admissions personally handles the Stuy file and reads all the essays.

Gutsy to say that. I'm surprised active wealthily alumni at privates don't get together and demand the same treatment for their schools.

This is totally normal practice. The director of admissions is often a working manager that also handles an admissions territory and usually that territory is a feeder region or block--they probably also read Bronx Science.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

FYI, TJ classes of 2025 (the first year they implemented admission “reform”) and beyond are less competent than previous years. Many more have to take remedial classes in math. TJ teachers are quitting. There’s a reason why TJ has been admitting 550 instead of 500 before the “reform” and allows for a longer waiting list. Just to be prepared for weeding out some of the admittees and allow those more competent ones (e.g. AAP from Carson or Longfellow) to get in. Stop using race as an excuse for the lack of preparedness.

Much better if those kids never get a chance. It's their fault they haven't been tutored and prepped since pre-school. If they wanted to go to TJ, they should have made sure their parents had better jobs.

My DD didn’t prep at all. Not at AAP at Longfellow or Carson either. Just took the two rounds of tests and got in. That was before the “reform.” BTW, those two rounds TJ admission test beforehand the “reform” were piece of cake compared to many other schools’ admission tests. Davidson Academy, a magnet school in Reno NV, takes only top 0.1% in IQ scores. Btw, those parents who did prepare for TJ—what’s wrong with that? You don’t complain about parents preparing young kids for sports, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

FYI, TJ classes of 2025 (the first year they implemented admission “reform”) and beyond are less competent than previous years. Many more have to take remedial classes in math. TJ teachers are quitting. There’s a reason why TJ has been admitting 550 instead of 500 before the “reform” and allows for a longer waiting list. Just to be prepared for weeding out some of the admittees and allow those more competent ones (e.g. AAP from Carson or Longfellow) to get in. Stop using race as an excuse for the lack of preparedness.

Much better if those kids never get a chance. It's their fault they haven't been tutored and prepped since pre-school. If they wanted to go to TJ, they should have made sure their parents had better jobs.

My DD didn’t prep at all. Not at AAP at Longfellow or Carson either. Just took the two rounds of tests and got in. That was before the “reform.” BTW, those two rounds TJ admission test beforehand the “reform” were piece of cake compared to many other schools’ admission tests. Davidson Academy, a magnet school in Reno NV, takes only top 0.1% in IQ scores. Btw, those parents who did prepare for TJ—what’s wrong with that? You don’t complain about parents preparing young kids for sports, do you?

They can prep all the want, but the school can choose to not care. You can send your kid to trainers for years, but coaches can choose to take raw athleticism and cut your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Their demographics are very different, with something like 50% of the kids being first gen, and nearly as many FARMS. I would be surprised if their college admissions results are substantially different than in the past.

This. I think it's business as usual over there. Stuy will always send a large number to schools like Cooper Union (which offers merit/tuition to every student), Baruch (part of the city system), and NYU with merit aid due to its student population. Not unusual for kids to pick those schools over MIT, Ivies, etc. A lot of those kids are not only extremely poor first-gen, they have to stay at home due to family obligations such as helping run the family business, plus the kids are often the only ones in the entire family that speak English.

Economic demographics are very diverse among the Asians, even within the same ethnicity. It’s not unusual to see young kids working at their parents’ family restaurants after school. But those kids don’t complain about race or “social injustice”. They just work their rears off to succeed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their demographics are very different, with something like 50% of the kids being first gen, and nearly as many FARMS. I would be surprised if their college admissions results are substantially different than in the past.

This. I think it's business as usual over there. Stuy will always send a large number to schools like Cooper Union (which offers merit/tuition to every student), Baruch (part of the city system), and NYU with merit aid due to its student population. Not unusual for kids to pick those schools over MIT, Ivies, etc. A lot of those kids are not only extremely poor first-gen, they have to stay at home due to family obligations such as helping run the family business, plus the kids are often the only ones in the entire family that speak English.

Economic demographics are very diverse among the Asians, even within the same ethnicity. It’s not unusual to see young kids working at their parents’ family restaurants after school. But those kids don’t complain about race or “social injustice”. They just work their rears off to succeed.

NYC has a massive, comprehensive public transportation system, unlike Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

FYI, TJ classes of 2025 (the first year they implemented admission “reform”) and beyond are less competent than previous years. Many more have to take remedial classes in math. TJ teachers are quitting. There’s a reason why TJ has been admitting 550 instead of 500 before the “reform” and allows for a longer waiting list. Just to be prepared for weeding out some of the admittees and allow those more competent ones (e.g. AAP from Carson or Longfellow) to get in. Stop using race as an excuse for the lack of preparedness.

Much better if those kids never get a chance. It's their fault they haven't been tutored and prepped since pre-school. If they wanted to go to TJ, they should have made sure their parents had better jobs.

My DD didn’t prep at all. Not at AAP at Longfellow or Carson either. Just took the two rounds of tests and got in. That was before the “reform.” BTW, those two rounds TJ admission test beforehand the “reform” were piece of cake compared to many other schools’ admission tests. Davidson Academy, a magnet school in Reno NV, takes only top 0.1% in IQ scores. Btw, those parents who did prepare for TJ—what’s wrong with that? You don’t complain about parents preparing young kids for sports, do you?

They can prep all the want, but the school can choose to not care. You can send your kid to trainers for years, but coaches can choose to take raw athleticism and cut your kid.

That proves my point. My DD didn’t prepare anything for TJ admission (before the “reform”) and got in. Some need a lot of effort and preparation to get in and that’s perfectly fine with me. But I do have an issue with incompetent kids getting in because of their race.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll be really sorry I asked this, but what “problems” is TJ having?

As far as I can tell as an outsider, the "problem" is that TJ realized it's a public school and is taking steps to find and include smart Black and brown students who had previously been overlooked, perhaps because their test scores aren't as good or because their parents didn't know how to best position then from early childhood. DCUM parents think that is ruining the school because it is taking spots away from their brilliant children.

FYI, TJ classes of 2025 (the first year they implemented admission “reform”) and beyond are less competent than previous years. Many more have to take remedial classes in math. TJ teachers are quitting. There’s a reason why TJ has been admitting 550 instead of 500 before the “reform” and allows for a longer waiting list. Just to be prepared for weeding out some of the admittees and allow those more competent ones (e.g. AAP from Carson or Longfellow) to get in. Stop using race as an excuse for the lack of preparedness.

Much better if those kids never get a chance. It's their fault they haven't been tutored and prepped since pre-school. If they wanted to go to TJ, they should have made sure their parents had better jobs.

My DD didn’t prep at all. Not at AAP at Longfellow or Carson either. Just took the two rounds of tests and got in. That was before the “reform.” BTW, those two rounds TJ admission test beforehand the “reform” were piece of cake compared to many other schools’ admission tests. Davidson Academy, a magnet school in Reno NV, takes only top 0.1% in IQ scores. Btw, those parents who did prepare for TJ—what’s wrong with that? You don’t complain about parents preparing young kids for sports, do you?

They can prep all the want, but the school can choose to not care. You can send your kid to trainers for years, but coaches can choose to take raw athleticism and cut your kid.

That proves my point. My DD didn’t prepare anything for TJ admission (before the “reform”) and got in. Some need a lot of effort and preparation to get in and that’s perfectly fine with me. But I do have an issue with incompetent kids getting in because of their race.

I have an issue with kids getting in solely because their parents can afford to prep them.

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I am not sure what "problem" the OP was referring to, but I heard this year's college admission results are much worse comparing to prior years. These students were admitted to TJ before the "reform" FWIW.