Jessa Duggar, a pro-life activist who regularly compared abortions to the holocaust, gets abortion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here. I just think this is such a losing line from the pro choice camp. People use “abortion” in a colloquial sense to refer to terminating a viable pregnancy that is unwanted. Not terminating a non-viable one (that may be very much wanted) for medical reasons.

And yet, there are women who have had non viable, very much wanted pregnancies, but could not obtain an abortion for medical reasons until their demise was imminent. You can draw these distinctions from your keyboard, but the reality is that some of the new abortion bans have led to lawyers advising medical professionals not to perform procedures until the point where no one could argue that the mother’s life wasn’t in jeopardy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A miscarriage means fetal death has already happened on its own. An abortion is when a woman takes action to cause the fetal death.

Removal of fetal tissue that died a natural cause is not an abortion

In colloquial terms.

But in medical terms it is. When you have a D&C, no matter the cause, your medical file will say abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This post is in super bad faith. She did not get an abortion. She had a procedure to remove an already dead fetus.

Facts don't matter sometimes.

The baby was already dead, people. She did not have a procedure that ended the baby's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This post is in super bad faith. She did not get an abortion. She had a procedure to remove an already dead fetus.

The article merely says the baby “didn’t look good.” It does not state that the fetus was already deceased.

[Anonymous]

Anti-abortion state legislatures in many states are banning D&Es.

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2017/02/de-abortion-bans-implications-banning-most-common-second-trimester-procedure

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/02/south-dakota-abortion-wars-103596/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/05/the-campaign-to-end-fetal-dismemberment-is-spreading/

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/roe-v-wade-anti-abortion-legislation-limit-miscarriage-care-rcna27349

[Anonymous]

I am glad she was able to get reproductive health care despite supporting rhetoric that makes it harder for women to get reproductive health care. It is my hope this experience might temper her rhetoric going forward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Come on. Has her family really opposed women getting D&Cs to evacuate a miscarriage?

I’m pro choice BTW, and have had a real abortion.

I could be wrong but I believe the anti-abortion faction, which would include the Duggars, generally harbor suspicion about the use of D&Cs to evacuate a miscarriage because they're generally a meddlesome lot and don't trust women to begin with and so they believe the claim of D&C would be used as cover for aborting a viable fetus.

That's based on some of the mainstream rhetoric I've picked up from those people, anyway.

I’ve never heard of this. It sounds pretty extreme. Do you have a link to an anti abortion organization that is proposing that a D&C to evacuate the uterus after a spontaneous miscarriage should be made illegal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This post is in super bad faith. She did not get an abortion. She had a procedure to remove an already dead fetus.

The article merely says the baby “didn’t look good.” It does not state that the fetus was already deceased.

A dead fetus doesn't look good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A miscarriage means fetal death has already happened on its own. An abortion is when a woman takes action to cause the fetal death.

Removal of fetal tissue that died a natural cause is not an abortion

In colloquial terms.

The medical term for miscarriage is “spontaneous abortion.” Even miscarriage is a type of abortion. Jesse had a medical abortion, as her body did not expel the fetus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This post is in super bad faith. She did not get an abortion. She had a procedure to remove an already dead fetus.

The article merely says the baby “didn’t look good.” It does not state that the fetus was already deceased.

A dead fetus doesn't look good.

“Doesn’t look good” is not a medical term. This sounds like a way of saying the pregnancy will not result in a live baby, but that’s not the same as saying the fetus is already deceased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A miscarriage means fetal death has already happened on its own. An abortion is when a woman takes action to cause the fetal death.

Removal of fetal tissue that died a natural cause is not an abortion

In colloquial terms.

But in medical terms it is. When you have a D&C, no matter the cause, your medical file will say abortion.

Exactly. And the bans are almost killing women suffering from miscarriage because they don't differentiate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This post is in super bad faith. She did not get an abortion. She had a procedure to remove an already dead fetus.

The article merely says the baby “didn’t look good.” It does not state that the fetus was already deceased.

A dead fetus doesn't look good.

“Doesn’t look good” is not a medical term. This sounds like a way of saying the pregnancy will not result in a live baby, but that’s not the same as saying the fetus is already deceased.

No it doesn't. My dr said something similar to me in a pregnancy that resulted in miscarriage. Also it was the "tech" who said that according to the article and they aren't really allowed to say anything. So if they said "doesn't look good" you know that it will be very bad news.

[Anonymous]

Guys- if the fetus still had a heart beat, it wasn't dead. That's the problem. A lot of fetuses would be dead on arrival, but the mom is keeping them alive while they're in utero.

Jessa Dugger had an abortion because the baby wasn't completely dead. And in medical terms, miscarriages are abortions.

[Anonymous]

Wow d&cs are not covered by insurance until medically necessary. If it was not covered due to Hayes amendment neither would ectopic, which definitely are. This post is basically trolling.

Good that people are speaking up more about these procedures and normalizing them. Pregnancies can have very difficult results regardless of beliefs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious what the ultra-nuts anti-abortion people have said about D&Cs. Have any said that you have to pass a dead fetus naturally?

I would have thought that nobody would ever say that but after Roe I feel like anything is possible.

Federal government insurance bans abortions. So yes, it did not cover my D&C. My fetus wasn't completely dead (yet) but was already incompatible with life (missing organs). So that's exactly what ultra nuts anti abortion people want. I guess they wanted me to carry that dead fetus to term, then deliver it. Fun times. I paid out of pocket instead.

I’m so deeply sorry. That’s adding insult to injury at a time when you most needed compassion.