Dr Ezekiel Emanuel said no medical intervention after 75 ?

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I’m claiming credit for mentioning this article on that other thread.

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We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

Agree with what you said, but what do you mean by the pendulum swung too far the other way?
The only person I know who talks about it is DR. Emanuel .

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

I wish everyone had that option too. But if you open the the New York Times today, you can read about a 40 year old mom who isn’t getting basic health checkups and medication for very treatable conditions because her family is struggling to pay off an $8000 medical debt for a 3 day hospital stay her infant had for febrile seizures. She had insurance but a high deductible.

My point is that in an ideal world the elderly could have the best medical care possible. But when we as a society aren’t providing universal health care to basically healthy people, it’s ignorant not to talk about the trade offs.

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

I wish everyone had that option too. But if you open the the New York Times today, you can read about a 40 year old mom who isn’t getting basic health checkups and medication for very treatable conditions because her family is struggling to pay off an $8000 medical debt for a 3 day hospital stay her infant had for febrile seizures. She had insurance but a high deductible.

My point is that in an ideal world the elderly could have the best medical care possible. But when we as a society aren’t providing universal health care to basically healthy people, it’s ignorant not to talk about the trade offs.

That is as good an argument for Medicare for All as I have heard.

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

No, it wasn't. We made the best choice we could, but the doctors were overly rosy. And it was the wrong decision.

Alzheimer's is terrible - it takes the mind but spares the body.

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

No, it wasn't. We made the best choice we could, but the doctors were overly rosy. And it was the wrong decision.

Alzheimer's is terrible - it takes the mind but spares the body.

My dad has Alzheimer’s and is in memory care. He has a DNR. I Hope he goes sooner rather than later. It’s not about how I feel, it is about his quality of life.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

I wish everyone had that option too. But if you open the the New York Times today, you can read about a 40 year old mom who isn’t getting basic health checkups and medication for very treatable conditions because her family is struggling to pay off an $8000 medical debt for a 3 day hospital stay her infant had for febrile seizures. She had insurance but a high deductible.

My point is that in an ideal world the elderly could have the best medical care possible. But when we as a society aren’t providing universal health care to basically healthy people, it’s ignorant not to talk about the trade offs.

That is as good an argument for Medicare for All as I have heard.

Beyond money, we don’t have enough medical providers, caregivers and facilities for the elderly. It’s not going to be nice for Boomers. I’m Gen X and watching closely.

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

+1 for my mom and we were lied to. She explicitly said she only wanted to do it if it would meaningfully prolong her life and she would have a decent quality of life during that time. She got neither, just 5 months of misery before she died anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:We all agree that my father's aggressive medical treatment that prolonged his life a year was a mistake. We shouldn't have done it.

Hopefully it was your father who chose it. You don’t know how you would feel if you had not pursued it. My mom wanted lots of intervention, and it prolonged her life but her quality of life was not good, and she had a lot of pain. A lot of people would not think it was worth it but it’s what she wanted. Nowadays it seems like the pendulum has swung too far the other way and you are deemed almost selfish if you decide the way you want to fight is by using the medical intervention that is available. I wish everyone the option to choose for themselves how they want to spend the end of their time on earth.

I wish everyone had that option too. But if you open the the New York Times today, you can read about a 40 year old mom who isn’t getting basic health checkups and medication for very treatable conditions because her family is struggling to pay off an $8000 medical debt for a 3 day hospital stay her infant had for febrile seizures. She had insurance but a high deductible.

My point is that in an ideal world the elderly could have the best medical care possible. But when we as a society aren’t providing universal health care to basically healthy people, it’s ignorant not to talk about the trade offs.

That is as good an argument for Medicare for All as I have heard.

Beyond money, we don’t have enough medical providers, caregivers and facilities for the elderly. It’s not going to be nice for Boomers. I’m Gen X and watching closely.

We also need massive investment in creating and maintaining that workforce of providers, which we, collectively, completely decimated via COVID. Also Gen X and agree it is not going to be pleasant.

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Dr. Emanuel said that HE didn't want medical intervention after age 75. Good for him. It's his choice. What's the big deal?

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Emanuel said that HE didn't want medical intervention after age 75. Good for him. It's his choice. What's the big deal?

The big deal is that he is close to the construction of policy--and angling for an even bigger role in it.

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Won’t happen in the US. Nursing homes are a lucrative business. Private practice doctors and hospitals make HUGE money off the over 75 population

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Anonymous wrote:Watch his interviews. The media did not represent it accurately

I did but I still have questions how it works.
Let’s say he gets prostate cancer at 75.
Is he going to mange it with pain medicine only?

My FIL got prostate cancer after age 75. They initially - the doctors - recommended not treating it. A few years went by, and they changed their recommendation, and he had an operation. He's still up and kicking.