How many students are in your math 5/6 class?

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Anonymous wrote:I really hate that “parents pitched a fit” is one of the only parts of MCPS decision
Making that doesn’t change year to year. If we DIDN’T pitch a fit they literally couldn’t be assed to give a blip about our kids.

DESPICABLE.

Can you rewrite this in English?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

Slightly different situation bc PBES is a local CES and all of those students are part of the home school community.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

Slightly different situation bc PBES is a local CES and all of those students are part of the home school community.

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The point is it's well within CCES ability to rectify the situation. Compacted math and CES aren't related.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

Slightly different situation bc PBES is a local CES and all of those students are part of the home school community.

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The point is it's well within CCES ability to rectify the situation. Compacted math and CES aren't related.

Exactly. The principal absolutely could combine classes. She chooses not to. The CES kids are completely separated from the non-CES kids. No classes, specials, lunch, or recess together.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

Slightly different situation bc PBES is a local CES and all of those students are part of the home school community.

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The point is it's well within CCES ability to rectify the situation. Compacted math and CES aren't related.

Exactly. The principal absolutely could combine classes. She chooses not to. The CES kids are completely separated from the non-CES kids. No classes, specials, lunch, or recess together.

And to be clear, I mean she absolutely could combine 5/6 math classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

Slightly different situation bc PBES is a local CES and all of those students are part of the home school community.

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The point is it's well within CCES ability to rectify the situation. Compacted math and CES aren't related.

Exactly. The principal absolutely could combine classes. She chooses not to. The CES kids are completely separated from the non-CES kids. No classes, specials, lunch, or recess together.

Ok but you sort of made the opposite point. It isn’t as though she combines them for recess and PE and then refuses to combine them for compacted math. There is consistency in the schedule and structure. I completely understand why a gen Ed parent would be frustrated by this choice vis a vis the CES, but you should really consider that it’s an issue with how to balance the class sizes between the gen Ed math classes. Think of the CES like an immersion program, an entirely separate entity.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

Slightly different situation bc PBES is a local CES and all of those students are part of the home school community.

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The point is it's well within CCES ability to rectify the situation. Compacted math and CES aren't related.

Exactly. The principal absolutely could combine classes. She chooses not to. The CES kids are completely separated from the non-CES kids. No classes, specials, lunch, or recess together.

Ok but you sort of made the opposite point. It isn’t as though she combines them for recess and PE and then refuses to combine them for compacted math. There is consistency in the schedule and structure. I completely understand why a gen Ed parent would be frustrated by this choice vis a vis the CES, but you should really consider that it’s an issue with how to balance the class sizes between the gen Ed math classes. Think of the CES like an immersion program, an entirely separate entity.

Seems like a terrible practice.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there only one 5/6 class? How many Math 5 classes are there?

OP here. At our school, there are 4 math 5 classes and only one math 5/6 class.

This was the case for us last year when my youngest was in it. 36 or so kids in the class. They had the Staff Development teacher come up and co-teach sometimes. (Not sure if co-teach is the right word. She'd peel off a group of 10 or so and teach those kids that day. My kid vastly preferred being in her group.

When DD took it a few years ago, there were so many kids in the 4/5 class that kids had to sit on the floor. Parents pitched a fit until they re-did the entire 4th grade schedule to make 2 classes of 4/5.

Is this CCES by chance? That’s what is happening for us there this year. The CES 5/6 classes are smaller (no more than 28), but kids in the general education programmed are crammed together into one class, with an extra teacher in to work with kids in small-group time. It is not going well.

Not OP but I’m fairly certain this is CCES and that the decision to not split the kids is based purely on Jody finding it annoying (and not wanting to give in to 5/6 parents - she is stubborn).

DP and I agree with you. She has no problem having smaller class sizes for CES, but no way will she offer that to the kids in the general education program who qualify for enrichment. It's clear she only cares about the CES program.

The CES classes are all that size County-wide. She doesn’t have leeway to make the CES classes any larger or smaller. Usually, with the exception of the compacted math classes, all the neighborhood classes are much smaller (20-22) than the CES classes. I agree 36 in a class is terrible and I’m sorry. I wouldn’t be happy with that ratio for my student. But this isn’t a case of favoring the CES. It’s a case of balancing the needs of the math 5 kids and students below grade level with the unfortunate number of compacted kids. If you had 40 instead of 36, she’d need to split them.

Math isn’t part of the CES program. She could put CES and general-ed math 5/6 kids in the same classes and have them spread out more evenly. She could also have 2 5/6 classes in general ed and 3 math 5 classes. She refuses to do it and in fact keeps adding kids into the general education 5/6. It’s absolutely a choice, and it underscores what she cares about.

At PBES they intentionally mix CES with compacted so that it's better integrated into the school. Further, there's only one CES class but 3 compacted 5/6 classes. CES kids are evenly spread out across those classes. Some may not even be in compacted. Nobody knows.

Slightly different situation bc PBES is a local CES and all of those students are part of the home school community.

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The point is it's well within CCES ability to rectify the situation. Compacted math and CES aren't related.

Exactly. The principal absolutely could combine classes. She chooses not to. The CES kids are completely separated from the non-CES kids. No classes, specials, lunch, or recess together.

Ok but you sort of made the opposite point. It isn’t as though she combines them for recess and PE and then refuses to combine them for compacted math. There is consistency in the schedule and structure. I completely understand why a gen Ed parent would be frustrated by this choice vis a vis the CES, but you should really consider that it’s an issue with how to balance the class sizes between the gen Ed math classes. Think of the CES like an immersion program, an entirely separate entity.

Right, because she treats the CES kids like they walk on water — wouldn’t want to have them mingle with kids in the gen ed program, gasp! Even the ones who were in the exact same lottery pool as the ones who had the luck of the draw to get selected for CES.

It would be really great if she actually retires this year as she announced she would do, but I seriously doubt it is happening.

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Getting back to the point of this post ... Can people say how many kids are in their compacted math 5/6 class? It seems like have 35+ is unusual.

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This doesn't make sense...if they have two 5/6 math classes, why don't they make them into one 5 class and one 6? Sure would make teaching easier for the teacher, and the curriculum more appropriate to the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This doesn't make sense...if they have two 5/6 math classes, why don't they make them into one 5 class and one 6? Sure would make teaching easier for the teacher, and the curriculum more appropriate to the kids.

The students are all 5th graders. The course is a math class that covers the second half of 5th grade math and the whole year of 6th grade math. It’s called compacted 5/6 because these students took a different course the previous year known as compacted 4/5.

[Anonymous]

If they have a second teacher who "co-teaches" the class, why can't they have two separate classes?