John Stewart and Dave Chapelle need to come together for a comedy/open discussion SPECIAL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love Jon Stewart.

I love Dave Chappelle.

I love comedy the way some women love wine or shoes.

I’ve posted on other threads for years that smart comedians are our last defense to save America. They have a unique platform to openly discuss complex and sensitive topics in a way that isn’t off-putting. Perhaps more importantly, they are brave enough to speak out against censorship and cancel culture. Jon Stewart did that in the linked segment. Chappelle did that on SNL.

To be clear:

JS explained “the Jews” piece. It was trending on Twitter and linked to sports because of Kyrie’s comments. But JS essentially said the same thing as DC: nothing good comes after “the Jews.” JS used jokes about ice cream to make the point; Chappelle literally made the same point.

JS was not criticizing DC or his monologue. Not at all. In fact, he literally said we need to directly discuss the fact that there are a lot of Jewish people in Hollywood and banking.

All this to say, the two guys are on the same page. Any conversation between the two would not be a point/counterpoint. Rather, their discussion would focus on the need to shift away from woke cancel culture to allow people to speak openly and discuss their opinions without being attacked. It shouldn’t be that hard, yet it’s impossible…unless you are a famous comic brave enough/beloved enough to go there.

So, if they said the same thing what is the need to discuss?

DC doesn’t have an issue with Jewish people. He was commenting on two people who had come under fire for their comments online.
Generally, he doesn’t speak about Jewish people. His SNL comments were brought on by recent events.
I appreciate DC not pussy footing around an issue and comparing people to ice cream. We’re not children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love Jon Stewart.

I love Dave Chappelle.

I love comedy the way some women love wine or shoes.

I’ve posted on other threads for years that smart comedians are our last defense to save America. They have a unique platform to openly discuss complex and sensitive topics in a way that isn’t off-putting. Perhaps more importantly, they are brave enough to speak out against censorship and cancel culture. Jon Stewart did that in the linked segment. Chappelle did that on SNL.

To be clear:

JS explained “the Jews” piece. It was trending on Twitter and linked to sports because of Kyrie’s comments. But JS essentially said the same thing as DC: nothing good comes after “the Jews.” JS used jokes about ice cream to make the point; Chappelle literally made the same point.

JS was not criticizing DC or his monologue. Not at all. In fact, he literally said we need to directly discuss the fact that there are a lot of Jewish people in Hollywood and banking.

All this to say, the two guys are on the same page. Any conversation between the two would not be a point/counterpoint. Rather, their discussion would focus on the need to shift away from woke cancel culture to allow people to speak openly and discuss their opinions without being attacked. It shouldn’t be that hard, yet it’s impossible…unless you are a famous comic brave enough/beloved enough to go there.

Yes they both agree about the phrase "the Jews", but the tone of the whole Jews in Hollywood and banking was much different. Chapelle definitely went in conspiracy direction without being overt and Stewart is clearly sick of the conspiracy implication. They agree that we need open discussion and things have gone too far with cancel culture;h however I think they both could learn a lot from eachother.

Disagree.

I think you are assuming JS was irked by DC’s monologue. I don’t think he was.

SC tried to call out DC’s use of tropes for jokes, but JS seemingly defended it.

All I’m saying is the two comics are pretty much in agreement, unified by the kernel of truth (in terms of actual numbers in the aggregate insofar as percentage of the overall population) that Jewish people are over represented in Hollywood and banking (JS said so), but that doesn’t mean they control those sectors…or the world.

If you think DC believes Jews control Hollywood, you are making a leap. He was making jokes based on tropes, just like JS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Barf.

+1 and ew.

+2 and a how do you do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love Jon Stewart.

I love Dave Chappelle.

I love comedy the way some women love wine or shoes.

I’ve posted on other threads for years that smart comedians are our last defense to save America. They have a unique platform to openly discuss complex and sensitive topics in a way that isn’t off-putting. Perhaps more importantly, they are brave enough to speak out against censorship and cancel culture. Jon Stewart did that in the linked segment. Chappelle did that on SNL.

To be clear:

JS explained “the Jews” piece. It was trending on Twitter and linked to sports because of Kyrie’s comments. But JS essentially said the same thing as DC: nothing good comes after “the Jews.” JS used jokes about ice cream to make the point; Chappelle literally made the same point.

JS was not criticizing DC or his monologue. Not at all. In fact, he literally said we need to directly discuss the fact that there are a lot of Jewish people in Hollywood and banking.

All this to say, the two guys are on the same page. Any conversation between the two would not be a point/counterpoint. Rather, their discussion would focus on the need to shift away from woke cancel culture to allow people to speak openly and discuss their opinions without being attacked. It shouldn’t be that hard, yet it’s impossible…unless you are a famous comic brave enough/beloved enough to go there.

Yes they both agree about the phrase "the Jews", but the tone of the whole Jews in Hollywood and banking was much different. Chapelle definitely went in conspiracy direction without being overt and Stewart is clearly sick of the conspiracy implication. They agree that we need open discussion and things have gone too far with cancel culture;h however I think they both could learn a lot from eachother.

Disagree.

I think you are assuming JS was irked by DC’s monologue. I don’t think he was.

SC tried to call out DC’s use of tropes for jokes, but JS seemingly defended it.

All I’m saying is the two comics are pretty much in agreement, unified by the kernel of truth (in terms of actual numbers in the aggregate insofar as percentage of the overall population) that Jewish people are over represented in Hollywood and banking (JS said so), but that doesn’t mean they control those sectors…or the world.

If you think DC believes Jews control Hollywood, you are making a leap. He was making jokes based on tropes, just like JS.

Exactly. There is nothing to discuss. OP found JS more palatable because he’s Jewish.
DC was spouting out “conspiracy theories” because he’s not Jewish.
Weird.

[Anonymous]

I saw JS on SC and he didn’t really speak much directly about Dave. He agreed with Dave and didn’t really take issue with the set. They seem to be friends.

He spoke more specifically about Kanye and Kyrie’s actions directly.

It’s as if OP needed JS to sugar coat DC’s message in order to swallow it.

Love Stewart and Chappelle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw JS on SC and he didn’t really speak much directly about Dave. He agreed with Dave and didn’t really take issue with the set. They seem to be friends.

He spoke more specifically about Kanye and Kyrie’s actions directly.

It’s as if OP needed JS to sugar coat DC’s message in order to swallow it.

Love Stewart and Chappelle.

Yep.

I applaud JS for not fixating on Kanye. Like most of us, JS realizes Kanye is suffering from mental illness. His biggest reference to Kanye was on “hurt people hurt people,” and he did a great job of using that as a foundation for positive next steps in terms of fostering positive civil discourse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw JS on SC and he didn’t really speak much directly about Dave. He agreed with Dave and didn’t really take issue with the set. They seem to be friends.

He spoke more specifically about Kanye and Kyrie’s actions directly.

It’s as if OP needed JS to sugar coat DC’s message in order to swallow it.

Love Stewart and Chappelle.

Yep.

I applaud JS for not fixating on Kanye. Like most of us, JS realizes Kanye is suffering from mental illness. His biggest reference to Kanye was on “hurt people hurt people,” and he did a great job of using that as a foundation for positive next steps in terms of fostering positive civil discourse.

Yes, I thought JS handled that well and the whole "hurt people hurt" is key. The problem is it goes further "unhappy people want a scapegoat." We need to exploring that more. It happens throughout history.

[Anonymous]

I saw Chappelles monologue. Nothing he said was even offensive. I’m sick and tired of them going after comedians for doing…comedy.

Miss the old days of “if you don’t like it, change the channel.”

Chappelle is friends with many legacy Jewish comedians over the decades so to say he’s someone anti-Semitic based off one snl monologue that no one was offended by but media pundits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw Chappelles monologue. Nothing he said was even offensive. I’m sick and tired of them going after comedians for doing…comedy.

Miss the old days of “if you don’t like it, change the channel.”

Chappelle is friends with many legacy Jewish comedians over the decades so to say he’s someone anti-Semitic based off one snl monologue that no one was offended by but media pundits.

Yes. He’s really good friends with JS. He gave a beautiful heart warming speech to him at the Mark Twain awards over the summer at the Kennedy Center.

[Anonymous]

Really liked what JS has to say on the subject. He defended Dave, saying it’s important to be able to talk about these things, pointing out comedy is always reductive, that all comedians play with tropes. His whole point is that we can’t just “cancel” someone because they even dared to discuss a subject.

Identity is really a big deal here. I get what people are saying about Dave’s monologue but I also know that if JS had told the same jokes (which he kind of dies in his interview) he wouldn’t be accused of antisemitism. I think there is an assumption that Dave is antisemitic (maybe because he’s black, maybe because he refuses to simply say “I stand in solidarity with the Jewish people and reject antisemitism in all it’s forms”, maybe both). I think we should talk about that.

I don’t think we need a TV special with these two guys (which I don’t think they’d ever agree to, especially Dave). I think we should do what JS said and talk this stuff out and be willing to engage people with curiosity, and when necessary counter arguments, in order to sit out these prejudices and discredit them. The more you examine antisemitic tropes, the more obviously wrong they are. I don’t understand what we gain in just keeping them on the fringes as a taboo that people will quietly engage in when backs are turned. I don’t think that will help.

[Anonymous]

I have no desire to listen to two old guys' opinions. I can hear that pretty much anywhere. Time for some new blood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is worth it's own post rather than adding it to the Chapelle thread on Entertainment. They are just the duo to get on back on track for open dialogue and humor when it comes to hashing out our differences. I agree so much with John Stewart (and am Jew myself). Putting people in time out isn't going to solve anti-antisemitism or racism for that matter. We need open discussion. People need to be able to share their views, but come with an open mind willing to discuss and hear other points of view. They are both such bright men and brilliant comedians. I don't want to cancel Chapelle. I would rather he get it all out there and speak his mind with Stewart and I would love to see what Stewart has to say. They both seem reasonable enough they would listen to eachother and do some great comic improv as well.

Is anyone with me? I just don't think hatred will go away without more dialogue and calm discussion. We need to truly hear where these beliefs come from and what other people's experiences have been.

What would be the point, though? There’s no actual hatred. It’s bored news outlets who need clicks that are creating the outrage. It’s fake selective outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no desire to listen to two old guys' opinions. I can hear that pretty much anywhere. Time for some new blood.

LOL. As a middle age person I have to laugh at people calling them 2 old guys. Times flies a little too fast. I am the same age as Chapelle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Barf.

+1 and ew.

+2 and a how do you do?

[Anonymous]

The problem is that the tropes get repeated with none of the nuance and intelligent dismantling that the comedian intended.