STA is keeping AP classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:STA only offers in math/science.

Languages too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:STA caves to the parents. Can't say I am surprised.

I am happy STA offers AP classes. I took several in highschool and it was helpful to be able to get those credits in college and lighten my course load in college a few semesters plus the classes were interesting.

My private had zero classes which were labelled "AP" but offered in-school AP exams for every course. Even though our courses were not labeled "AP" and did not strictly follow the official "AP" curriculum, students routinely received 4s and 5s on the AP exames.

I see no particular value in any good private limiting their class to the official "AP" curriculum. A good school with good students ought to be able to teach a broader curriculum which better educated students, while still enabling the student to take the applicable AP exam at their own school.

[Anonymous]

We are hearing that StA still plans to phase out the "AP" label on courses, which is the only thing the "consortium" agreed upon, while still enabling students to take AP exams in-school as before. I understand that ALL of the schools in the "consortium" are still supporting students taking AP exams in-school, just as before. The only thing which (supposedly) is changing is placing the "AP" label on certain classes and having those classes adhere strictly to the official (narrow) AP curriculum.

One really wonders whether some earlier posters were told that "AP Exams will still be available/offered to students" and mis-understood it as meaning "StA will keep labeling certain classes as AP forever".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are hearing that StA still plans to phase out the "AP" label on courses, which is the only thing the "consortium" agreed upon, while still enabling students to take AP exams in-school as before. I understand that ALL of the schools in the "consortium" are still supporting students taking AP exams in-school, just as before. The only thing which (supposedly) is changing is placing the "AP" label on certain classes and having those classes adhere strictly to the official (narrow) AP curriculum.

One really wonders whether some earlier posters were told that "AP Exams will still be available/offered to students" and mis-understood it as meaning "StA will keep labeling certain classes as AP forever".

i heard last week that STA is now keeping the "AP" label.
I guess time will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:to the GDS poster . .you seem to have a complex. Perhaps your child is a great test taker and got 5s, but but many of my daughter's classmates from GDS completely bombed the AP exams and will not be taking any others.That may be part of why so many people are leaving the school.

GDS messaging about APs has been atrocious for years. Only this year did they even put out a FAQ as to who should consider signing up to take the tests and why. In classic GDS fashion, they think they are avoiding hurting people's feelings by being oblique about the AP test.

Meanwhile, I heard from some parents after all these years of de-emphasizing the AP test that the profile thing that GDS sends to all universities again for 2022-2023 application cycle puts front and center - as in top of the main page - how many kids at GDS took AP tests and that 90% or something scored 4 or more.

Long time parent and GDS inability to be direct with kids and parents on who should and shouldn't do things because they want to protect people from having their feelings hurt is maddening - or maybe they dont believe in testing. Much better to be upfront.

It took them 3 years to put out a FAQ around who should even take the tests instead of saying blanket "you dont need to take the tests". Meanwhile the UL teachers in some classes do side tutoring (for free) of their classes for 6 weeks prior to AP tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to the GDS poster . .you seem to have a complex. Perhaps your child is a great test taker and got 5s, but but many of my daughter's classmates from GDS completely bombed the AP exams and will not be taking any others.That may be part of why so many people are leaving the school.

GDS messaging about APs has been atrocious for years. Only this year did they even put out a FAQ as to who should consider signing up to take the tests and why. In classic GDS fashion, they think they are avoiding hurting people's feelings by being oblique about the AP test.

Meanwhile, I heard from some parents after all these years of de-emphasizing the AP test that the profile thing that GDS sends to all universities again for 2022-2023 application cycle puts front and center - as in top of the main page - how many kids at GDS took AP tests and that 90% or something scored 4 or more.

Long time parent and GDS inability to be direct with kids and parents on who should and shouldn't do things because they want to protect people from having their feelings hurt is maddening - or maybe they dont believe in testing. Much better to be upfront.

It took them 3 years to put out a FAQ around who should even take the tests instead of saying blanket "you dont need to take the tests". Meanwhile the UL teachers in some classes do side tutoring (for free) of their classes for 6 weeks prior to AP tests.

Same thing happens at Sidwell FWIW. They downplay exams (especially CCO) but parents find out later that many students take them Jr year for Literature and US History and get 5's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are hearing that StA still plans to phase out the "AP" label on courses, which is the only thing the "consortium" agreed upon, while still enabling students to take AP exams in-school as before. I understand that ALL of the schools in the "consortium" are still supporting students taking AP exams in-school, just as before. The only thing which (supposedly) is changing is placing the "AP" label on certain classes and having those classes adhere strictly to the official (narrow) AP curriculum.

One really wonders whether some earlier posters were told that "AP Exams will still be available/offered to students" and mis-understood it as meaning "StA will keep labeling certain classes as AP forever".

The consortium settled w/ DOJ on collusion charges around this issue so this entire thing has been a poorly managed sh*tshow from the start

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-concludes-its-investigation-dc-area-private-high-schools-decision-stop


Justice Department Concludes Its Investigation of D.C.-Area Private High Schools’ Decision to Stop Offering Advanced Placement Courses
The Department of Justice announced today that it has completed its investigation into whether Georgetown Day School, Holton-Arms School, Landon School, Maret School, National Cathedral School, The Potomac School, St. Albans School, and Sidwell Friends School (jointly, “the Schools”) collectively agreed to stop offering Advanced Placement (AP) courses by 2022 in violation of the Sherman Act. The Schools announced in June 2018 that they would eliminate AP courses from their curricula by 2022.

The Antitrust Division’s investigation revealed that the Schools likely did agree to eliminate AP courses by 2022. Each of the Schools has represented to the Antitrust Division, however, that they are not bound by, and will not enter in the future, any agreement with another non-affiliated school or schools relating to the elimination of AP courses. As a matter of prosecutorial discretion, and especially in light of the burden on the Schools associated with the ongoing pandemic, the division will not bring an enforcement action against the Schools.

“I am pleased that the Schools have disavowed any anticompetitive agreement to coordinate on their offerings to students,” said Assistant Attorney General Makan Delrahim. “The division will remain vigilant in enforcing the antitrust laws to ensure that educational institutions do not enter into agreements to restrain competition.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to the GDS poster . .you seem to have a complex. Perhaps your child is a great test taker and got 5s, but but many of my daughter's classmates from GDS completely bombed the AP exams and will not be taking any others.That may be part of why so many people are leaving the school.

GDS messaging about APs has been atrocious for years. Only this year did they even put out a FAQ as to who should consider signing up to take the tests and why. In classic GDS fashion, they think they are avoiding hurting people's feelings by being oblique about the AP test.

Meanwhile, I heard from some parents after all these years of de-emphasizing the AP test that the profile thing that GDS sends to all universities again for 2022-2023 application cycle puts front and center - as in top of the main page - how many kids at GDS took AP tests and that 90% or something scored 4 or more.

Long time parent and GDS inability to be direct with kids and parents on who should and shouldn't do things because they want to protect people from having their feelings hurt is maddening - or maybe they dont believe in testing. Much better to be upfront.

It took them 3 years to put out a FAQ around who should even take the tests instead of saying blanket "you dont need to take the tests". Meanwhile the UL teachers in some classes do side tutoring (for free) of their classes for 6 weeks prior to AP tests.

I agree that the GDS messaging is terrible and misleading. They say that the only reason to take an AP test is if the student is applying to overseas colleges or if the student wants to get credit or place out of requirements in order to graduate early. They don't say that it's beneficial to many students to place out of basic requirements even if they don't want to graduate early because it frees up time to take other courses. And despite what some posters on this board say, many, many top colleges award credit or allow higher placement for 4s and 5s on many AP tests. GDS's messaging doesn't explain any of this.

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand why these schools made such a fuss about AP exams in the first place.
I am a college professor and the AP curriculum in certain subjects (the ones I’m familiar with) is quite good.
Why complicate the landscape so much? I guess it is less stress on the teachers this way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why these schools made such a fuss about AP exams in the first place.
I am a college professor and the AP curriculum in certain subjects (the ones I’m familiar with) is quite good.
Why complicate the landscape so much? I guess it is less stress on the teachers this way.

They did it so they could artificially distinguish themselves from the top area public high schools. Why pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for private when the same curriculum is offered by public school? Except they were too chicken sh*t to go it alone and didn’t dare pull the plug on APs without making sure all of them would go along with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to the GDS poster . .you seem to have a complex. Perhaps your child is a great test taker and got 5s, but but many of my daughter's classmates from GDS completely bombed the AP exams and will not be taking any others.That may be part of why so many people are leaving the school.

GDS messaging about APs has been atrocious for years. Only this year did they even put out a FAQ as to who should consider signing up to take the tests and why. In classic GDS fashion, they think they are avoiding hurting people's feelings by being oblique about the AP test.

Meanwhile, I heard from some parents after all these years of de-emphasizing the AP test that the profile thing that GDS sends to all universities again for 2022-2023 application cycle puts front and center - as in top of the main page - how many kids at GDS took AP tests and that 90% or something scored 4 or more.

Long time parent and GDS inability to be direct with kids and parents on who should and shouldn't do things because they want to protect people from having their feelings hurt is maddening - or maybe they dont believe in testing. Much better to be upfront.

It took them 3 years to put out a FAQ around who should even take the tests instead of saying blanket "you dont need to take the tests". Meanwhile the UL teachers in some classes do side tutoring (for free) of their classes for 6 weeks prior to AP tests.

I agree that the GDS messaging is terrible and misleading. They say that the only reason to take an AP test is if the student is applying to overseas colleges or if the student wants to get credit or place out of requirements in order to graduate early. They don't say that it's beneficial to many students to place out of basic requirements even if they don't want to graduate early because it frees up time to take other courses. And despite what some posters on this board say, many, many top colleges award credit or allow higher placement for 4s and 5s on many AP tests. GDS's messaging doesn't explain any of this.

Totally agree - also a GDS HS parent. Their current messaging (after 2-3 years of no messaging at all other than AP test should not be taken") actually disadvantages the kids. Other than the Ivies and perhaps a few others, almost every school in Top 50/100 takes AP credit. So what, my kid now has to take Spanish or Calc 101 even though they took UL class at GDS - which was taught AP level and decided to actually listen to the college office and not take the AP test.

It's ridiculous and actually for a school that cares so much about equity...this is non-equitable. Kids are actually disadvantaged entering college by not having taken the tests because many families I know in the last years did not take the AP tests despite having kids in language, math and history UL classes because GDS said to not bother unless applying to UK

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to the GDS poster . .you seem to have a complex. Perhaps your child is a great test taker and got 5s, but but many of my daughter's classmates from GDS completely bombed the AP exams and will not be taking any others.That may be part of why so many people are leaving the school.

DP, but

Wow you just left me speechless. I might have a complex but then again so do you. You just exhibited it.

What "complex" did I just exhibit? I expect this to be a fascinating diagnosis. Please note that I am the person who laughed at the notion that "so many" people are leaving GDS, not the person who claimed it.

[Anonymous]

My kids are younger, so I’m not in the loop, but why would any competitive high school get rid of APs? When I was in high school those were the competitive classes, and I personally had enough credits to graduate almost a year early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:to the GDS poster . .you seem to have a complex. Perhaps your child is a great test taker and got 5s, but but many of my daughter's classmates from GDS completely bombed the AP exams and will not be taking any others.That may be part of why so many people are leaving the school.

GDS messaging about APs has been atrocious for years. Only this year did they even put out a FAQ as to who should consider signing up to take the tests and why. In classic GDS fashion, they think they are avoiding hurting people's feelings by being oblique about the AP test.

Meanwhile, I heard from some parents after all these years of de-emphasizing the AP test that the profile thing that GDS sends to all universities again for 2022-2023 application cycle puts front and center - as in top of the main page - how many kids at GDS took AP tests and that 90% or something scored 4 or more.

Long time parent and GDS inability to be direct with kids and parents on who should and shouldn't do things because they want to protect people from having their feelings hurt is maddening - or maybe they dont believe in testing. Much better to be upfront.

It took them 3 years to put out a FAQ around who should even take the tests instead of saying blanket "you dont need to take the tests". Meanwhile the UL teachers in some classes do side tutoring (for free) of their classes for 6 weeks prior to AP tests.

I agree that the GDS messaging is terrible and misleading. They say that the only reason to take an AP test is if the student is applying to overseas colleges or if the student wants to get credit or place out of requirements in order to graduate early. They don't say that it's beneficial to many students to place out of basic requirements even if they don't want to graduate early because it frees up time to take other courses. And despite what some posters on this board say, many, many top colleges award credit or allow higher placement for 4s and 5s on many AP tests. GDS's messaging doesn't explain any of this.

Totally agree - also a GDS HS parent. Their current messaging (after 2-3 years of no messaging at all other than AP test should not be taken") actually disadvantages the kids. Other than the Ivies and perhaps a few others, almost every school in Top 50/100 takes AP credit. So what, my kid now has to take Spanish or Calc 101 even though they took UL class at GDS - which was taught AP level and decided to actually listen to the college office and not take the AP test.

It's ridiculous and actually for a school that cares so much about equity...this is non-equitable. Kids are actually disadvantaged entering college by not having taken the tests because many families I know in the last years did not take the AP tests despite having kids in language, math and history UL classes because GDS said to not bother unless applying to UK

Equity? Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why these schools made such a fuss about AP exams in the first place.
I am a college professor and the AP curriculum in certain subjects (the ones I’m familiar with) is quite good.
Why complicate the landscape so much? I guess it is less stress on the teachers this way.

They did it so they could artificially distinguish themselves from the top area public high schools. Why pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for private when the same curriculum is offered by public school? Except they were too chicken sh*t to go it alone and didn’t dare pull the plug on APs without making sure all of them would go along with it.

Yes, and it's not working that well, because in the absence of a high school national exam like the Baccalaureat or Abitur, standardized subject exams and tests are actually quite useful for college admissions.