With all this negativity about bikes and pedestrians

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

C'mon. The PP didn't say or insinuate there was a conspiracy. They just pointed out that people have busy lives and it's not out of the norm that a substantial number of people would be unaware of what was under discussion until recently. Many of the meetings happened during a time when people's lives were upended by Covid and they didn't have the bandwidth to monitor all of the local happenings.

Exactly. People were trying to stay alive themselves and keep their loved ones alive. Sneaking through such major changes like that during a time with there was limited ability for the public to be engaged was intentional.

This is definitely what the city did with the bike lanes downtown, sneak them in while everyone was stuck at home.

You poor thing - you bought into the car commercial nonsense about how wonderful your life would be with your imported SUV and it turned out to not be true.

DC spends years talking about every single project. That is true for bike lanes downtown and is true for CT Ave which is going to be at best 6 years from the initial discussion to installation.

I guarantee that if you respond with whatever bike lane downtown you are complaining about I can find some citations showing that it was not snuck in while you were stuck at home during Covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Many people knew. If you read this forum, or any of the neighborhood emaill groups, or receive CM Cheh's newsletter or the ANC email notices, you would have known about it.

Really, you had to be living under a rock to miss it, and the fact that part of it happened during COVID meant the meetings were online, which meant even more people than normal participated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

All of these threads are just a preview of the fights to come. Most people have no idea this project even exists.

Here is the post from longtime ANC 3C Commissioner Nancy Macwood on this topic on the CP Listserve:


Nancy MacWood
Sep 8 #191910


It is really alarming that residents are feeling blindsided or uninformed about DDOT's decisions regarding the Conn. Ave. Reversible Lane and Safety Study. Here is a link https://ddot.dc.gov/page/connecticut-avenue-nw-reversible-lane-safety-and-operations-study to the June 28, 2022 DDOT presentation that includes a concept map for Conn. Ave. between Porter and Macomb Streets (Map #4).

It shows that there are 52 metered parking spaces in that area now. The proposal is to eliminate all parking on the west side and retain 25 spaces on the east side. The on street loading area is currently 162 ft. The proposal would eliminate all loading on the west side and retain 47 ft. on the east side. The map referenced above shows where these areas are currently and where they would be per the proposal.

DDOT held two redundant public meetings in 2021 ( March 30 and April 1) and two redundant public meetings in 2022 (June 28 and June 29). In addition, DDOT presented to a public ANC 3C meeting July 20, 2020, February 23, 2021, and June 22, 2022. DDOT also presented at a CPCA meeting July 29, 2020 and CPCA co-sponsored the Feb. 23, 2021 DDOT presentation to 3C. DDOT presented to the WPCA on July 23, 2020 and Feb. 25, 2021.

The comment period to DDOT on preferred study options was April 1 - May 8, 2021. I posted a summary of how the study options would affect Conn. Ave. in Cleveland Park to the listserv on April 13, 2021 and asked for comments prior to ANC 3C considering a resolution at the April 19, 2021 public meeting. I have ten emails from that period in my inbox sent to all 3C commissioners that supported Concept C. I also have emails primarily sent to me that voiced concerns and issues with the study and did not support any particular study option.

A prominent concern was the effect of diverting a projected total daily diversion of 7,000 vehicles to other roadways. In addition to asking the sponsors of the 3C resolution to amend it to urge DDOT to immediately end the reversible lane configuration and to lower the speed limit to 25mph, I asked that the John Eaton School community be given an additional week to comment because DDOT had not briefed them on the potential impacts of bike lanes and diverted traffic on school safety. The Eaton amendment was readily accepted by one co-sponsor but not by the main drafter. At the ANC meeting I repeated the request and Comm. Siddiqui continued to object to the necessity or propriety of extending the comment period by one week, which would allow DDOT to schedule a briefing, until Principal Anderson spoke in favor of the amendment.

An additional amendment to urge DDOT to continue to study diversion patterns and volumes while considering biking infrastructure changes was accepted at the ANC meeting. DDOT plans to perform traffic calming reviews and conduct parking/loading "optimization" studies through 2022. The traffic calming exercise will include examination of cut through traffic, speeding, and traffic violation patterns. I have requested that DDOT include 34th St. from Porter St. to Woodley Rd. with an emphasis on school safety, and I recommend that residents contact [e-mail] [Edward.Stollof @ dcw dot gov] ho is the project manager with any suggested blocks or streets that should be considered for traffic calming.

Nancy MacWood
ANC 3C09

It is your fault if you are relying on DCUM for info on what is going on in our neighborhood - it is not a great source for info.

If you want to quote Nancy MacWood, please also get the recording of the Zoom call from a couple weeks ago with the ANC commissioners in which she said that she understood why a number of attendees would be leaving the meeting feeling like it was waste to attend because the ANC reps weren't really open to hearing from anyone who wasn't a full-on Plan C proponent. I posted about this before in another thread and one of the most immediate responses was an ad hominem attack on Nancy based on her age, longevity in the community, etc... You can disagree with her, but she doesn't deserve that kind of post, especially from someone hiding behind anonymity.

From what I've seen, Nancy is the only ANC commissioner open to the idea that there are legitimate concerns about the implementation of Plan C and that asking about them and wanting more than just stock answers doesn't make one evil. As her post included above shows, she herself recognizes the potential for problems and also has been blocked: "I asked that the John Eaton School community be given an additional week to comment because DDOT had not briefed them on the potential impacts of bike lanes and diverted traffic on school safety. The Eaton amendment was readily accepted by one co-sponsor but not by the main drafter. At the ANC meeting I repeated the request and Comm. Siddiqui continued to object to the necessity or propriety of extending the comment period by one week, which would allow DDOT to schedule a briefing, until Principal Anderson spoke in favor of the amendment."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

All of these threads are just a preview of the fights to come. Most people have no idea this project even exists.

What fights? The program moving forward has already been decided. That was what the last 3 years were for. The only question going forward is if the infrastructure changes will extend up to Chevy Chase Circle. Given this from the DDOT Director:

It sounds like DDOT will be interested in extending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

ANCs have historically been the back waters of politics. People only paid attention when they needed a curb cut or building permit. There was no reason to pay attention otherwise. During the pandemic the ANCs were co-opted by progressive activists who somehow think they have a mandate for major social change. It’s bizarre.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

ANCs have historically been the back waters of politics. People only paid attention when they needed a curb cut or building permit. There was no reason to pay attention otherwise. During the pandemic the ANCs were co-opted by progressive activists who somehow think they have a mandate for major social change. It’s bizarre.

LOL, yes, the tin foil hat brigade invades yet another thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

All of these threads are just a preview of the fights to come. Most people have no idea this project even exists.

Here is the post from longtime ANC 3C Commissioner Nancy Macwood on this topic on the CP Listserve:


Nancy MacWood
Sep 8 #191910


It is really alarming that residents are feeling blindsided or uninformed about DDOT's decisions regarding the Conn. Ave. Reversible Lane and Safety Study. Here is a link https://ddot.dc.gov/page/connecticut-avenue-nw-reversible-lane-safety-and-operations-study to the June 28, 2022 DDOT presentation that includes a concept map for Conn. Ave. between Porter and Macomb Streets (Map #4).

It shows that there are 52 metered parking spaces in that area now. The proposal is to eliminate all parking on the west side and retain 25 spaces on the east side. The on street loading area is currently 162 ft. The proposal would eliminate all loading on the west side and retain 47 ft. on the east side. The map referenced above shows where these areas are currently and where they would be per the proposal.

DDOT held two redundant public meetings in 2021 ( March 30 and April 1) and two redundant public meetings in 2022 (June 28 and June 29). In addition, DDOT presented to a public ANC 3C meeting July 20, 2020, February 23, 2021, and June 22, 2022. DDOT also presented at a CPCA meeting July 29, 2020 and CPCA co-sponsored the Feb. 23, 2021 DDOT presentation to 3C. DDOT presented to the WPCA on July 23, 2020 and Feb. 25, 2021.

The comment period to DDOT on preferred study options was April 1 - May 8, 2021. I posted a summary of how the study options would affect Conn. Ave. in Cleveland Park to the listserv on April 13, 2021 and asked for comments prior to ANC 3C considering a resolution at the April 19, 2021 public meeting. I have ten emails from that period in my inbox sent to all 3C commissioners that supported Concept C. I also have emails primarily sent to me that voiced concerns and issues with the study and did not support any particular study option.

A prominent concern was the effect of diverting a projected total daily diversion of 7,000 vehicles to other roadways. In addition to asking the sponsors of the 3C resolution to amend it to urge DDOT to immediately end the reversible lane configuration and to lower the speed limit to 25mph, I asked that the John Eaton School community be given an additional week to comment because DDOT had not briefed them on the potential impacts of bike lanes and diverted traffic on school safety. The Eaton amendment was readily accepted by one co-sponsor but not by the main drafter. At the ANC meeting I repeated the request and Comm. Siddiqui continued to object to the necessity or propriety of extending the comment period by one week, which would allow DDOT to schedule a briefing, until Principal Anderson spoke in favor of the amendment.

An additional amendment to urge DDOT to continue to study diversion patterns and volumes while considering biking infrastructure changes was accepted at the ANC meeting. DDOT plans to perform traffic calming reviews and conduct parking/loading "optimization" studies through 2022. The traffic calming exercise will include examination of cut through traffic, speeding, and traffic violation patterns. I have requested that DDOT include 34th St. from Porter St. to Woodley Rd. with an emphasis on school safety, and I recommend that residents contact [e-mail] [Edward.Stollof @ dcw dot gov] ho is the project manager with any suggested blocks or streets that should be considered for traffic calming.

Nancy MacWood
ANC 3C09

It is your fault if you are relying on DCUM for info on what is going on in our neighborhood - it is not a great source for info.

Wow, if Ms MacWood had done her job and notified her constituents about this, they wouldn't feel blindsided. Certainly she let them know about the Emergency Shelter, NCS, Giant, Service Lanes and everything else that has come up in the 20 years she has been a Commissioner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

ANCs have historically been the back waters of politics. People only paid attention when they needed a curb cut or building permit. There was no reason to pay attention otherwise. During the pandemic the ANCs were co-opted by progressive activists who somehow think they have a mandate for major social change. It’s bizarre.

Our ANC representative is hostile to his own constituents. He seems to see his job as pushing every goofy leftwing idea he's ever read about, regardless of how much his constituents object.

Clearly the majority of your Single Member District disagrees with you.

[Anonymous]

Question: How are we supposed to be getting information from our ANC Reps? We used to get newsletters by email, but that stopped years ago. I haven't gotten any information in any format from the current rep. Not once. No notice of meetings, no notice of how to contact, etc.

What is the standard in your ANC for getting this information out to the people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Yes, clearly, there was a conspiracy to silence you. That’s why they had all those public meetings.

C'mon. The PP didn't say or insinuate there was a conspiracy. They just pointed out that people have busy lives and it's not out of the norm that a substantial number of people would be unaware of what was under discussion until recently. Many of the meetings happened during a time when people's lives were upended by Covid and they didn't have the bandwidth to monitor all of the local happenings.

They had neough tiome to complain about poor deliver service or a guy with the sniffles working at the local pharamacy.

Really, there is no excuse. If anything, people had more time on their hands during COVID. Well, unless they escaped to a second home somewhere and ignored what was happening back in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Many people knew. If you read this forum, or any of the neighborhood emaill groups, or receive CM Cheh's newsletter or the ANC email notices, you would have known about it.

Really, you had to be living under a rock to miss it, and the fact that part of it happened during COVID meant the meetings were online, which meant even more people than normal participated.

You obviously don't have kids. If you one day have kids, you will laugh at how insane you sound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. The city went through a three year engagement process with dozens of public meetings. The ANCs up and down Connecticut Avenue support the project as well as the Mayor, the Councimember and DDOT.

It is only now, AFTER the public engagement and votes and AFTER the money has been designated, that people are trying to use their entitled clout to reverse the decision because they happen not to like it.

They could have attended the same public meetings everyone else did. They could have spoken up on the neighborhood email groups etc. But the ANC commissioners and DDOT have all noted the overhwhelming support from the community on this issue.

In other words, the complainers are the deep, but very vocal minority on the issue.

If you want to get involved and live in Ward 3, then reach out to the Ward 3 bikers group. If you are a DC or regional resident, then reach out to WABA.

I have two small kids and a big job and still knew all about these changes. Which I very much support btw. I don’t own a bike but anything that slows the damn MD drivers down is fine by me. What’s your next excuse for why you couldn’t possibly have known about this and the city should cancel everything until you personally are on board?
People didnt even know this was happening. I didnt know until I saw the DCUM thread. People have busy lives.

Many people knew. If you read this forum, or any of the neighborhood emaill groups, or receive CM Cheh's newsletter or the ANC email notices, you would have known about it.

Really, you had to be living under a rock to miss it, and the fact that part of it happened during COVID meant the meetings were online, which meant even more people than normal participated.

You obviously don't have kids. If you one day have kids, you will laugh at how insane you sound.

[Anonymous]

We could talk all day about who should have known what and when they should have known it, but that's just a waste of time. Some people knew about it, some people didn't. Let's accept that as fact and just move on.

The plan has been approved and it's in all of our best interests to focus on the implementation of it. Could someone who is in the know share here what the process is for implementation feedback and planning? If I live in the 3000 block of Connecticut, for example, how and when can I have input into what the implementation will look like in the Woodley and Cleveland Park segments? Or if I'm on a side street and I want to be part of the conversation around diverted traffic — where and when can I participate in that? If I have a disability and want to be part of discussion on signal timing and raised crosswalks -- how/when/where do I do that?

If those who are in charge of Plan C could share that information here, it would give everyone something concrete to do and a chance to have a voice in the ultimate outcome. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Quote got messed up but I have two kids and a crazy job, still knew this was happening and still think you’re a whiny entitled nut job. Keep on whining into the wind I guess, the changes are happening with or without your personal approval

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Quote got messed up but I have two kids and a crazy job, still knew this was happening and still think you’re a whiny entitled nut job. Keep on whining into the wind I guess, the changes are happening with or without your personal approval

People with two kids and a crazy job don't spend their entire day on this Web site.