“Due dates” and “deadlines”

[Anonymous]

At my workplace the deadline is by when you have to do it, which is earlier than the due date, which is when you give it to your boss or client

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

That’s really stupid and just reinforces kids not doing their work on time. If I were a teacher there every deadline would be 1 day after the due date.

Here’s the thing. You probably don’t have a child with legitimate struggles who can really learn and benefit from this practice. So it seems stupid. For those of us with kids who do struggle or who may not have easy access to resources such as internet, there is a significant benefit.

And, yes, in the workplace, deadlines are sometimes deadlines. But not always. I constantly see my coworkers asking for extensions of time to file a brief. But, even for jobs that have absolute deadlines that will never be moved and you’ll be fired if you miss, kids need time to learn and this practice provides that opportunity. Not everyone intuits time management and im glad that teachers in MCPS work with kids to learn this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

That’s really stupid and just reinforces kids not doing their work on time. If I were a teacher there every deadline would be 1 day after the due date.

Here’s the thing. You probably don’t have a child with legitimate struggles who can really learn and benefit from this practice. So it seems stupid. For those of us with kids who do struggle or who may not have easy access to resources such as internet, there is a significant benefit.

And, yes, in the workplace, deadlines are sometimes deadlines. But not always. I constantly see my coworkers asking for extensions of time to file a brief. But, even for jobs that have absolute deadlines that will never be moved and you’ll be fired if you miss, kids need time to learn and this practice provides that opportunity. Not everyone intuits time management and im glad that teachers in MCPS work with kids to learn this.

Agree with all this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

What does this mean? My kid's school has due dates. If you turn in work one day late, you are penalized x%. After one day late, you get a zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard the same at our MS (just in one class though.) Kinda wish teachers would spend more time... teaching... versus going over these concepts that have a high chance of confusing students and that are kind of unnecessary... just give the dates assignments are due by and then say you get a 10% penalty per day (or whatever your rule is - I'm fine with it being worth 0% the next day, just make it clear.)

So, don't go over due dates and deadlines, but go over the due dates and deadlines? Got it. Thank god you're here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The deadline is the date by which you can get partial credit if you turn it in. We didn't use those words, but it was that way in all 3 high schools I attended in two countries in the 80's. Partial credit for things turned in late up to a certain point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard the same at our MS (just in one class though.) Kinda wish teachers would spend more time... teaching... versus going over these concepts that have a high chance of confusing students and that are kind of unnecessary... just give the dates assignments are due by and then say you get a 10% penalty per day (or whatever your rule is - I'm fine with it being worth 0% the next day, just make it clear.)

Yeah, teachers aren’t the ones choosing the grading policy. That ended back in the early oughts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

What does this mean? My kid's school has due dates. If you turn in work one day late, you are penalized x%. After one day late, you get a zero.

Then your kid isn’t in MCPS. Or the teachers aren’t following the MCPS grading policy. Or the teachers are giving lip service to the fact that due dates and deadlines must be separated so they make the deadline the next day. Which seems a nod to the letter rather than spirit of accepting late work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

That’s really stupid and just reinforces kids not doing their work on time. If I were a teacher there every deadline would be 1 day after the due date.

Here’s the thing. You probably don’t have a child with legitimate struggles who can really learn and benefit from this practice. So it seems stupid. For those of us with kids who do struggle or who may not have easy access to resources such as internet, there is a significant benefit.

And, yes, in the workplace, deadlines are sometimes deadlines. But not always. I constantly see my coworkers asking for extensions of time to file a brief. But, even for jobs that have absolute deadlines that will never be moved and you’ll be fired if you miss, kids need time to learn and this practice provides that opportunity. Not everyone intuits time management and im glad that teachers in MCPS work with kids to learn this.

+2 also agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard the same at our MS (just in one class though.) Kinda wish teachers would spend more time... teaching... versus going over these concepts that have a high chance of confusing students and that are kind of unnecessary... just give the dates assignments are due by and then say you get a 10% penalty per day (or whatever your rule is - I'm fine with it being worth 0% the next day, just make it clear.)

So, don't go over due dates and deadlines, but go over the due dates and deadlines? Got it. Thank god you're here.

My point was that the terminology and the insistence on it seems to waste time while also being confusing, as can be seen by the discussion here (including people saying that they sometimes use the terms in reverse at work.) Pretty sure it works better to give students a single date and then say that you have an extra day/week/whatever to turn stuff in for partial credit or have a daily penalty until you get to 0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Heard the same at our MS (just in one class though.) Kinda wish teachers would spend more time... teaching... versus going over these concepts that have a high chance of confusing students and that are kind of unnecessary... just give the dates assignments are due by and then say you get a 10% penalty per day (or whatever your rule is - I'm fine with it being worth 0% the next day, just make it clear.)

So, don't go over due dates and deadlines, but go over the due dates and deadlines? Got it. Thank god you're here.

My point was that the terminology and the insistence on it seems to waste time while also being confusing, as can be seen by the discussion here (including people saying that they sometimes use the terms in reverse at work.) Pretty sure it works better to give students a single date and then say that you have an extra day/week/whatever to turn stuff in for partial credit or have a daily penalty until you get to 0.

I don't know any kids who have problems with this terminology. It seems like aligning your language with other teachers and creating terms the kids understand should take priority over aligning with what people who employ their parents use.

-- HS teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

What does this mean? My kid's school has due dates. If you turn in work one day late, you are penalized x%. After one day late, you get a zero.

The bolded basically means that given that the goal should be for the kids to learn the skills and materials, and the way that they learn it is through assignments, students should be given some incentive to continue to work on assignments even if they met the due date. If a kid misses a due date and later does the assignment because they'll get 90 or 80 or 50% credit, that's a win, relative to a kid who misses a due date and figures there's no point in trying to catch up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the difference?

The due date comes first. This is the official language in the regulation on grading and reporting:

Secondary teachers are responsible for the following:

a) Establishing due dates and deadlines.

(1) Teachers are expected to separate the due date from the deadline in order to increase opportunities for students to complete assignments.

(2) Work turned in after the due date and by the deadline may be lowered no more than one letter grade or 10 percent of the grade. Work submitted after the deadline will be recorded as a zero.

So the deadline is a last chance date. Some of our teachers used to give extensions.

[Anonymous]

Do people really think a kid who turns a paper in one day late shouldn’t get any credit for doing the work?

I went to college 30 years ago and professors docked late papers a letter grade, but they still accepted them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do people really think a kid who turns a paper in one day late shouldn’t get any credit for doing the work?

I went to college 30 years ago and professors docked late papers a letter grade, but they still accepted them.

I'd give a one day grace period but that's it unless there is an actual reason like a death in the family or serious illness.