Granson not allowed to get vaccinated

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.

This doesn't make sense.

It sort of does. I'm vaxxed and boosted and my MS kids are vaxxed but not boosted. But now, with hindsight, we see how ineffective the vaccine actually is, and how little risk young children face.

If I had a 0-6 year old, I would likely not get them vaxxed, even though I already am vaxxed (and did the whole, wait in line for 4 hours for each jab in my car, at a huge site, etc. I believed them at the time).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.

This doesn't make sense.

It sort of does. I'm vaxxed and boosted and my MS kids are vaxxed but not boosted. But now, with hindsight, we see how ineffective the vaccine actually is, and how little risk young children face.

If I had a 0-6 year old, I would likely not get them vaxxed, even though I already am vaxxed (and did the whole, wait in line for 4 hours for each jab in my car, at a huge site, etc. I believed them at the time).

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[Anonymous]

You are exposed to unvaccinated people every time you go out and about in society. That’s why you are encouraged to get vaxxed and boosted, to protect yourself from serious illness and hospitalization - and if you are higher risk, it’s always an option to do one-way masking, which we know adds an extra layer of protection.

His child, his decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.

This doesn't make sense.

NP. Most likely he is extremely stubborn and refuses to admit he is wrong or change his mind. He probably had to get a vaccine to keep his job, but he won't otherwise budge from his denial that the vaccine helps, prevents, or diminishes the effects of Covid. I know people like that, but fortunately for me, I can keep those people at arms-reach or only socialize with them on-line.

Sorry, OP, I don't know what to say, other than to offer my good thoughts to you. Like another PP above said, you aren't going to change him. You can only control your own response. Either you accept his position or you hold your position and see less of your grandson. Those are your two choices.

Not exactly - she can also change how she sees her grandson. She can wear an N95, stick to outdoor activities, ask the child to mask in her home, request weekly at home testing. There are a lot of different options here that fall short of cutting off contact because the father doesn’t see the vaccine benefit for his young child at this point in time.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think I’d let my child stay with anyone who insisted on this. My teens are vaxxed but I would not vaccinate a 1st grader nor would I kindly respond to someone(other than our doctor) telling me to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep my grandson several times a week. I taught him 1st grade when schools were closed. We are very close.

My son does not believe in the Covid vaccine. This has been an ongoing issue between us. My son is vaccinated, however.

Today I told my son that I want grandson vaccinated, that this is my only requirement for continuing to keep him (I do not charge for keeping him). I do not want to be the person who takes him somewhere that results in an infection by a new variant. I don't want to risk long haul Covid.

My son is refusing, still. He is telling me that I am forcing him to put my grandson in a place with strangers or with his new stepfather who is unemployed and who I do not know.

My son has to be right. All the time. He has to get his way or he threatens to keep GS from me.

I don't know why I'm writing this here. I just had to get it out. I'm devastated.

This doesn't make sense.

NP. Most likely he is extremely stubborn and refuses to admit he is wrong or change his mind. He probably had to get a vaccine to keep his job, but he won't otherwise budge from his denial that the vaccine helps, prevents, or diminishes the effects of Covid. I know people like that, but fortunately for me, I can keep those people at arms-reach or only socialize with them on-line.

Sorry, OP, I don't know what to say, other than to offer my good thoughts to you. Like another PP above said, you aren't going to change him. You can only control your own response. Either you accept his position or you hold your position and see less of your grandson. Those are your two choices.

Not exactly - she can also change how she sees her grandson. She can wear an N95, stick to outdoor activities, ask the child to mask in her home, request weekly at home testing. There are a lot of different options here that fall short of cutting off contact because the father doesn’t see the vaccine benefit for his young child at this point in time.

That's what I meant by accepting her son's position. She can accept that her son will not vaccinate her grandson and choose to see him around that. What she chooses to do with that acceptance, whether seeing him the same way, changing her precautions, adapting where they go and what they do, etc are all grouped in accepting that her son will not vaccinate his son. Or she can hold her line of only providing childcare for her grandson if he is vaccinated and then see less of her grandson because her son will not budge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you asked him why?

My husband and I are both fully vaccinated. We have not vaccinated our child who is 5. We will likely give her the novavax version in 2 or so years after it’s been approved. We have chosen not to give her the current ones available not because we don’t believe in them but they were approved under emergency protocol and we would prefer a vaccine that is more fully researched for our child. We have consulted on an ongoing basis with our child’s pediatrician who supports this decision for our child (not speaking for other kids because each individuals health and risk is different.

If a family member or cafe provider mandated we give our child the vaccine we would stand firm by our decision. I am not saying your son is right but you could be more curious around his choice. This is not a black and white issue although so much of the narrative paints it as so.

I have asked him. He regurgitates Joe Rogan which is just not reassuring. He has not consulted with their pediatrician.

I am a college educated social worker with a minor in public health.

[Anonymous]

The parent gets to decide this for their kid. The end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, OP, this must be really hard.

I can't tell you what to do in this situation, but I can tell you what I would do. There is not a vaccine in the world that is important enough to keep me away from my 6-year-old grandson, with whom I am very close, especially in a situation like this. Losing contact with you could be devasting to him, especially given the fact that it sounds like their has already been a divorce in his life.

Please think about that. He needs you.

This but also if the grandson is in public school, he'll probably be required to get it.

I wish. Not the case.

Not the case....yet. One day it may be. Especially in this area.

[Anonymous]

Don’t worry OP, your son will feel the cost of paying someone to watch your GS, and he’ll come crawling back with your GS vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

OP stand your ground. Your son is a selfish jerk. People like that will not walk away from free childcare. He is trying to bully and scare you. Childcare costs are astronomical. Camp Grandma is free AND has a no exemption vaccine policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are exposed to unvaccinated people every time you go out and about in society. That’s why you are encouraged to get vaxxed and boosted, to protect yourself from serious illness and hospitalization - and if you are higher risk, it’s always an option to do one-way masking, which we know adds an extra layer of protection.

His child, his decision.

Then no more free babysitting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are exposed to unvaccinated people every time you go out and about in society. That’s why you are encouraged to get vaxxed and boosted, to protect yourself from serious illness and hospitalization - and if you are higher risk, it’s always an option to do one-way masking, which we know adds an extra layer of protection.

His child, his decision.

Then no more free babysitting.

Some of you are really sick in the head, with far more regard for your social issues posturing than what is best for a six year old child, who needs his grandmother.

Why doesn't that surprise me in the least?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are exposed to unvaccinated people every time you go out and about in society. That’s why you are encouraged to get vaxxed and boosted, to protect yourself from serious illness and hospitalization - and if you are higher risk, it’s always an option to do one-way masking, which we know adds an extra layer of protection.

His child, his decision.

Then no more free babysitting.

That’s one option for grandma, one that hurts her if she is hoping to spend time with her grandchild. There are other ways she can mitigate the risk, risk she encounters every time she leaves the house and is around other people, including one-way masking and meeting outdoors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you asked him why?

My husband and I are both fully vaccinated. We have not vaccinated our child who is 5. We will likely give her the novavax version in 2 or so years after it’s been approved. We have chosen not to give her the current ones available not because we don’t believe in them but they were approved under emergency protocol and we would prefer a vaccine that is more fully researched for our child. We have consulted on an ongoing basis with our child’s pediatrician who supports this decision for our child (not speaking for other kids because each individuals health and risk is different.

If a family member or cafe provider mandated we give our child the vaccine we would stand firm by our decision. I am not saying your son is right but you could be more curious around his choice. This is not a black and white issue although so much of the narrative paints it as so.

I’m not trying to push the vaccines. I have no problem with your deciding not to vaccinate your young child for covid with the current vaccines. However, if your reasoning is just that the current vaccines were given emergency approval, you should know that the Pfizer vaccine is completely approved under the usual protocol now.