T20 schools for freshman retention
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Anonymous
It’s not that retention rates are unimportant, but the difference between 99 and 97 is not. |
Anonymous
Do you think the highest is 99 and lowest is 97?? Why are you saying that? How about 99 and 80 or 97 and 70 OP posted the link with a huge list down to like 33% https://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return |
Anonymous
NP. if you don't understand that the "distinction without a difference" comment applied to the "top 20" schools listed in the OP --not all schools in the USNEWs rankings -- then we can't help you. |
Anonymous
What are you talking about??? OP listed top 20 or so for the first year retention rates, then a link to the full list. You got mad because OP didn't post the full lis heret? |
Anonymous
| It is odd to me that all of the schools that have a reputation for being unhappy and overly difficult (MIT, Caltech, CMU, UC, JHU, GT) are clustered at the top of the list. Are the reputations not deserved? |
Anonymous
There you go again, as PPs mentioned, there is no difference between 99 and 97. It does not say anything about anything. |
Anonymous
of course, but there's probably diference between 99 and 80. What's you point? |
Anonymous
Doesn't it say that for schools where people routinely talk about how miserable the students are, they do a great job at bringing back nearly all of their students? |
Anonymous
It's all within the margin of error so you cannot draw definitive conclusions like you are trying to do. |
Anonymous
As well as for many schools, one should delve deeper and look at the "why kids didn't continue"/demographics of those that didn't return. If the school has a high international population or a high "first generation" or high number of students with PellGrants (lower income) then those are all populations that might struggle and the reason for not returning might simply have nothing to do with "satisfaction with the university" but more to do with finances/family events/life in general. Similarly, those can also affect graduation rates. Likewise if you are at a school with 70% males, the graduation rates might be lower than a school with 70% females, because across the board more males struggle in college than females (every school I've delved deep into the stats has a distinct difference between even White non- first gen/non lower income males and White not-first gen/not lower income females; sometimes it's as much as 5% difference in graduation rates for 4 years and these are at T100 schools). |
Anonymous
Really? Tell me more about the margin oof error and how it negates any conclusion that I have drawn. |
Anonymous
| This says Harvard is only 92%? This can't be right. |
Anonymous
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Anything over 80% is exceptional.
The government requires colleges to report 6-year rates. The national average is 63%. 62% at pubics 68% at privates 26% at for-profits https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=40 
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Anonymous
OP st year retention, and this is graduation rate, so it's in a similar category, but little bit different, and should be lower. There are shit ton of worthless colleges, so 60 something sounds good. |
Anonymous
My bad. The average retention rate of US college students is 76%. https://www.studentclearinghouse.org/nscblog/research-center-releases-2020-persistence-and-retention-report/ |