China passes US to top output of influential science papers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:China has a lot of talented scientists, as well as four times the population of the US, so it's not surprising the gap would close.

But given the nationalist propaganda games that the CCP and Xi Jinping engage in, one might reasonably wonder (the Nikkei article doesn't make clear) if many of these citations of Chinese research are in Chinese publications that got the message from Beijing that it's a national priority to boost China's standing in the "scientific citations" ranking.

Remember, if you simply went by numerical measures, you'd think that China's ineffective COVID vaccines are among the most popular in the world - because the Chinese Government has kept competing Western vaccines out of its market.

There is quite a lot this article does not make clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are scientists getting educated to produce this research? Are they all educated at chinese universities? Are they educated at universities outside china? Where and how many?

Good question. I'd guess the US and UK, mostly.

A lot of them are definitely attending universities in the US but only the brightest (and some richest) get sent. China's brightest are getting the best the US can offer in terms of education while here our brightest students can be looked over because they do not fit in some equity scheme (URM, First Gen, Legacy..)

You’re dead wrong. It’s the opposite.

[Anonymous]

OP, what’s your point? Why are you so-anti American?

[Anonymous]

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China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

I'm not a big fan of these set-asides either, but in this context doesn't it make sense for the US to tap into the previously untapped populations like First gen, LGBTQ+ and other marginalized communities? Who knows what hidden gems we have missed all these years?

[Anonymous]

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China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

I'm not a big fan of these set-asides either, but in this context doesn't it make sense for the US to tap into the previously untapped populations like First gen, LGBTQ+ and other marginalized communities? Who knows what hidden gems we have missed all these years?

of course it does, particularly in the context of undergraduate admissions. PP just wants to be outraged.

[Anonymous]

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China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The best students who have never expressed the wrong opinions in the wrong forums
The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

They also steal and lie to obtain access to materials completed by US researchers.

Okay just keep on believing this if it makes you feel better

DP: Chinese intellectual property theft is well-documented, but it tends to be corporations and government orgs not research scientists. Research scientists tend to be educated in the US/UK so I'm not sure their productivity comments much on the Chinese educational system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

They also steal and lie to obtain access to materials completed by US researchers.

Okay just keep on believing this if it makes you feel better

DP: Chinese intellectual property theft is well-documented, but it tends to be corporations and government orgs not research scientists. Research scientists tend to be educated in the US/UK so I'm not sure their productivity comments much on the Chinese educational system.

That's just not true. IP theft is pervasive at every level including academics

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The best students who have never expressed the wrong opinions in the wrong forums
The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

Does China have URMs? Maybe the Uyghurs, but I doubt China is interested in making sure they are well educated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The best students who have never expressed the wrong opinions in the wrong forums
The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

Does China have URMs? Maybe the Uyghurs, but I doubt China is interested in making sure they are well educated.

Surely you jest, China has whole camps dedicated to Uyghur education

[Anonymous]

Shocking that Chinese language scientific papers most frequently cite other Chinese language scientific papers. And Chinese is likely now the most common spoken language in the world.

Shocking, I tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

How did you reach these conclusions as to the cause? You kind of sound aggrieved.

[Anonymous]

The incentive to become a researcher for a living is very low. In academia, tenure for new grads is dead in the water.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/China-passes-US-to-top-output-of-influential-science-papers

China passes US to top output of influential science papers
Academic strength could help further increase nation's industrial dominance

"Japan's National Institute of Science and Technology Policy counted the number of academic papers that are ranked among the top 10% in terms of citations and found that China has overtaken the U.S. and become No. 1. "

Because China doesn't do URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect. for Colleges and Academics.

The best students who have never expressed the wrong opinions in the wrong forums
The US population is 334 million. China's population is 1445 million. We have 3.34 million in our top 1% intellectually. They have 14.45 million. It was inevitable, and is remarkable that it took so long.

Yes on top of that China just selects the best students, while the US needs to worry about URM, Legacy, First Gen, Athlete, LGBTQ+, ect.

Does China have URMs? Maybe the Uyghurs, but I doubt China is interested in making sure they are well educated.

Surely you jest, China has whole camps dedicated to Uyghur education

You forgot /s to make things clear for DUMBS on DCUM

[Anonymous]

On top of URM, legacy, athletes, and first generation ... 30% of admitted students are international.