PARCC... is this test still relevant at all???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it's only used to check a federal accountability requirement, but other than checking that box it helps students and education in general about zilch.

Thanks, Biden? Congress?

Thanks, Biden?! Dear God. Go do some reading about No Child Left Behind. Save your ire until you have some appropriate background for the conversation.

Hmm, who is in charge right now that can allow waivers like they did during the pandemic?

If it helps: Thanks Bush! Thanks Obama!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it's only used to check a federal accountability requirement, but other than checking that box it helps students and education in general about zilch.

Thanks, Biden? Congress?

Thanks, Biden?! Dear God. Go do some reading about No Child Left Behind. Save your ire until you have some appropriate background for the conversation.

Hmm, who is in charge right now that can allow waivers like they did during the pandemic?

If it helps: Thanks Bush! Thanks Obama!

You cannot seriously believe that the Dept of Ed would provide a waiver to DCPS on the basis that it chose a poor standardized test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it's only used to check a federal accountability requirement, but other than checking that box it helps students and education in general about zilch.

Thanks, Biden? Congress?

Thanks, Biden?! Dear God. Go do some reading about No Child Left Behind. Save your ire until you have some appropriate background for the conversation.

Hmm, who is in charge right now that can allow waivers like they did during the pandemic?

If it helps: Thanks Bush! Thanks Obama!

What? What would the waiver be for? The Secretary can't unilaterally decide a law passed by Congress no longer stands. Even last year's waivers were hotly debated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Students haven't taken the PARCC since 2019.

Zero states still take the PARCC.

Why are we still talking about it in reference to quantifying student proficiency ?

they may not use the PARCC brand but every state still does plenty of standardized testing, most every year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may want to check out the 6 page thread on this very topic: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1032577.page

And, it's relevant because DC doesn't have another test ready to go at the moment and federal law mandates accountability testing of some kind.

This. Kids need some type of standardized test to see how they are doing in general and compared to peers. DC happens to pick PARCC which is not the best

No one is using PARCC. No one.

My kids go to NJ public school. We used to have PARCC and now it’s called NJSLA. The test questions are the same and both tests are created by Pearson but NJSLA is a shorter version.

[Anonymous]

Every time I post on here that I’m happy with my kid’s DCPS middle school, someone tries to persuade me that I shouldn’t be by pointing to the school’s overall PARCC results. So apparently it’s relevant to some people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may want to check out the 6 page thread on this very topic: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1032577.page

And, it's relevant because DC doesn't have another test ready to go at the moment and federal law mandates accountability testing of some kind.

This. Kids need some type of standardized test to see how they are doing in general and compared to peers. DC happens to pick PARCC which is not the best

No one is using PARCC. No one.

Ok but you can still use PARCC to compare the kids in DC and how your kid is doing compared to his peers at his school and other schools. That is helpful information.

[Anonymous]

I think we really need to have some way to measure how much damage the pandemic and the resulting school closures had on learning in DC. For that purpose being able to compare PARCC scores this year with those prepandemic is helpful.

I'm not saying it's a great test, but it makes sense to have a way to figure out the impact the last couple of years have had on DC as a whole and particular schools. Administering the same test pre and post pandemic is the only way to do that.

[Anonymous]

Your arguments don't do it for me. Go with a poor-quality, arguably punishing, 10-hour-long test that more than 20 states have either ditched or reworked in the last decade because, well, it's the best DC can do in the wake of pandemic school closures.

I think the best we can do by the kids is push to ditch the PARCC, including by opting out as individual families. If ed stakeholders don't challenge, the lousy PARCC won't be exiting the stage in the District anytime soon. Name a problem that went away because almost everybody hurt by rolled with it indefinitely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may want to check out the 6 page thread on this very topic: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1032577.page

And, it's relevant because DC doesn't have another test ready to go at the moment and federal law mandates accountability testing of some kind.

This. Kids need some type of standardized test to see how they are doing in general and compared to peers. DC happens to pick PARCC which is not the best

No one is using PARCC. No one.

DC is.

Nuff said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with the PARCC test? My kids are young, so I don't know much about standardized testing.

10 hours long for...8 year olds. Some states go with tests that take 4 or 5 hours to complete. Features a good many poorly written and confusing questions. Much unappealing/dry content. Kids need to be able to type to write an essay, so as much a typing test as an English test in that section. Math is mostly word problems, which clobbers English Language Learners who may be good at math. Pearson Education Inc., which creates the PARCC is a British company raking in hundreds of millions of dollars annually from its US testing market, which doesn't sit well with some American consumers. This one has opted out of the PARCC twice and will do so again at our DCPS in May.

If no state in the US uses the test how is Pearson raking in hundreds of millions of dollars from the US testing market?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may want to check out the 6 page thread on this very topic: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1032577.page

And, it's relevant because DC doesn't have another test ready to go at the moment and federal law mandates accountability testing of some kind.

This. Kids need some type of standardized test to see how they are doing in general and compared to peers. DC happens to pick PARCC which is not the best

No one is using PARCC. No one.

Ok but you can still use PARCC to compare the kids in DC and how your kid is doing compared to his peers at his school and other schools. That is helpful information.

This can be done with the MAP /nwea assessments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your arguments don't do it for me. Go with a poor-quality, arguably punishing, 10-hour-long test that more than 20 states have either ditched or reworked in the last decade because, well, it's the best DC can do in the wake of pandemic school closures.

I think the best we can do by the kids is push to ditch the PARCC, including by opting out as individual families. If ed stakeholders don't challenge, the lousy PARCC won't be exiting the stage in the District anytime soon. Name a problem that went away because almost everybody hurt by rolled with it indefinitely.

This. The only way it will shift is if we (parents) demand one. Opt OUT!

The PARCC is not for kids, its for $$$$. Teachers dont get the data in time to use it, families cant use it for admissions or anything else, schools cant use the data to make choices ( hiring decisions, remediation, curriculum design)

PARCC does not deliver strand data to the schools either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with the PARCC test? My kids are young, so I don't know much about standardized testing.

10 hours long for...8 year olds. Some states go with tests that take 4 or 5 hours to complete. Features a good many poorly written and confusing questions. Much unappealing/dry content. Kids need to be able to type to write an essay, so as much a typing test as an English test in that section. Math is mostly word problems, which clobbers English Language Learners who may be good at math. Pearson Education Inc., which creates the PARCC is a British company raking in hundreds of millions of dollars annually from its US testing market, which doesn't sit well with some American consumers. This one has opted out of the PARCC twice and will do so again at our DCPS in May.

If no state in the US uses the test how is Pearson raking in hundreds of millions of dollars from the US testing market?

Because states signed multi-year contracts for a product they no longer use.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we really need to have some way to measure how much damage the pandemic and the resulting school closures had on learning in DC. For that purpose being able to compare PARCC scores this year with those prepandemic is helpful.

I'm not saying it's a great test, but it makes sense to have a way to figure out the impact the last couple of years have had on DC as a whole and particular schools. Administering the same test pre and post pandemic is the only way to do that.

We dont need a test to tell us what we already know.

DCPS and most charters have been using the MAP assessments throughout the pandemic. Use that.