I would like to give thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You see no problem at all with the fact that I couldn't find anyone on the floor who spoke English?
Maybe if I was in Mexico I would expect this, but not Arizona.

That's what people used to say in the 70's in Miami. But you know what? It was no big deal then and no one really cares there now.

If you want a national language, write your representative. Otherwise, get on board. This country is going to be 25% latino in your lifetime.

English will become the official language of the US. Put it to a national referendum and it will pass by an overwhelming margin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

To the great state of Arizona-thanks for finally standing up for yourself and telling the fed government that if you aren't going to protect our borders--we are going to find a way to do so...

...by locking up everyone with swarthy skin, dark hair, and sub-$100 shoes who doesn't carry their birth certificate and two forms of ID on their person at all times.

Good for you!!1![/quote

'swarthy skin'?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone read for themselves the law? All AZ did was take existing Federal rules/crimes and make them concurrently state crimes. So when the feds are sleeping on the job and refuse/decline to support immigration law, the state can do so. They didn't make any NEW offenses or rules, they just took the Fed ones and wrote them into state law too.

We don't live on the border, we don't live their lives. So easy for inside the beltway to make up their own reality.

AND now ICE has refused to enforce its OWN LAWS in AZ. Sick. Just sickening.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:English will become the official language of the US. Put it to a national referendum and it will pass by an overwhelming margin.

I guarantee that English will not become the official language of the US as a result of a national referendum. The Federal government is not California.

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't be so sure.....

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't be so sure.....

If you are not completely, absolutely sure, then you should review the law-making process at the Federal level. There is no procedure for creating Federal laws via referendum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You see no problem at all with the fact that I couldn't find anyone on the floor who spoke English?
Maybe if I was in Mexico I would expect this, but not Arizona.

That's what people used to say in the 70's in Miami. But you know what? It was no big deal then and no one really cares there now.

If you want a national language, write your representative. Otherwise, get on board. This country is going to be 25% latino in your lifetime.

I see no advantage to having a large segment of the population unable to speak English. This country may be 25% latino in the future, but the majority of Americans are still going to speak English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no advantage to having a large segment of the population unable to speak English. This country may be 25% latino in the future, but the majority of Americans are still going to speak English.

There is no advantage to the English speakers, but how about to the Latinos. Compare with Canada, where the Francophones are a minority, but have the right have French given equal (at least) importance in Quebec. Switzerland manages to have four languages in an area two-thirds the size of West Virginia. If there is a country that should not be mired in "how it has always been", it's this one, founded in revolution, home of invention.

Il mondo es uno. We should be able to communicate with the entire world! Spanish is easy; it's time to start working on our Chinese. Ning hao, baby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You see no problem at all with the fact that I couldn't find anyone on the floor who spoke English?
Maybe if I was in Mexico I would expect this, but not Arizona.

That's what people used to say in the 70's in Miami. But you know what? It was no big deal then and no one really cares there now.

If you want a national language, write your representative. Otherwise, get on board. This country is going to be 25% latino in your lifetime.

I see no advantage to having a large segment of the population unable to speak English. This country may be 25% latino in the future, but the majority of Americans are still going to speak English.

Well, here in America, the government isn't in the business of telling people what to do, how to dress, where to go to church or how to speak. We don't even tell people to get a job. There are countries that did that - the Soviets tried, and so did China. It didn't work out so well. We don't, and it turns out that we are about the most productive country in modern history. There's a reason. Freedom trumps central planning.

Anyone who can benefit from English will learn it just fine, and most do. The few who do not are a small group, mostly very recent or older. The recent immigrants will probably come around if they are young. The older don't have much reason to do it for the most part. But it's up to them to be as smart or stupid as they want to be. Our nation's cherished freedoms should not be abridged so that it is more convenient for you to get directions in a Target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

To the great state of Arizona-thanks for finally standing up for yourself and telling the fed government that if you aren't going to protect our borders--we are going to find a way to do so...

...by locking up everyone with swarthy skin, dark hair, and sub-$100 shoes who doesn't carry their birth certificate and two forms of ID on their person at all times.

Good for you!!1!

"Swarthy" skin. How old are you? I think that description went out with spats. Also, lots of people wear sub-$100 shoes so police should ask for the store receipt for shoes for those with "swarthy" skin? The shoes I am wearing today were on sale for less than $100.00 but original price was over $100.00. Which category are my shoes "sub-$100" or not? Well, I don't have swarthy skin but I'm going to carry receipt for shoes with me when I go to Arizona.

Are you really an idiot or are you just playing one for DCUM?

[Anonymous]

I have no problem the Little Havana(s), Little Italy(s) or Chinatown(s) scattered throughout the US, these places make our country a wonderful place. What I DO have a problem with is the people who come here illegally, have children, decide NOT to teach their children English and then expect our public schools and taxpayers to foot the bill for ESL classes and teachers. Sorry, it just doesn't seem right to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem the Little Havana(s), Little Italy(s) or Chinatown(s) scattered throughout the US, these places make our country a wonderful place. What I DO have a problem with is the people who come here illegally, have children, decide NOT to teach their children English and then expect our public schools and taxpayers to foot the bill for ESL classes and teachers. Sorry, it just doesn't seem right to me.

You're preaching to the choir.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem the Little Havana(s), Little Italy(s) or Chinatown(s) scattered throughout the US, these places make our country a wonderful place. What I DO have a problem with is the people who come here illegally, have children, decide NOT to teach their children English and then expect our public schools and taxpayers to foot the bill for ESL classes and teachers. Sorry, it just doesn't seem right to me.

OK, what child born here does not learn to speak English? That's about as rare as the chain smoking 2 year old that was on Youtube the other day. Seriously, parents have zero control over their children acquiring the dominant native language and dialect. This is why children all have the accents from their neighborhood and not that of their parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem the Little Havana(s), Little Italy(s) or Chinatown(s) scattered throughout the US, these places make our country a wonderful place. What I DO have a problem with is the people who come here illegally, have children, decide NOT to teach their children English and then expect our public schools and taxpayers to foot the bill for ESL classes and teachers. Sorry, it just doesn't seem right to me.

OK, what child born here does not learn to speak English? That's about as rare as the chain smoking 2 year old that was on Youtube the other day. Seriously, parents have zero control over their children acquiring the dominant native language and dialect. This is why children all have the accents from their neighborhood and not that of their parents.

Nonsense. I have a friend whose MIL has been here for 20 years, legally, and still can't speak English and I mean she can't speak English at all.. She takes care of friend's son and he speaks English with parents and English with grandmother but unerstands Spanish. Parents have everything to do with the dominant language of their children. There is nothing wrong and everything right about being bi- or multi-lingual but if you live n the US it behooves you to learn to speak English if you want to go beyond flipping burgers and being a bus boy. English is the language of business today. and that isn't going to change for a long, long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem the Little Havana(s), Little Italy(s) or Chinatown(s) scattered throughout the US, these places make our country a wonderful place. What I DO have a problem with is the people who come here illegally, have children, decide NOT to teach their children English and then expect our public schools and taxpayers to foot the bill for ESL classes and teachers. Sorry, it just doesn't seem right to me.

OK, what child born here does not learn to speak English? That's about as rare as the chain smoking 2 year old that was on Youtube the other day. Seriously, parents have zero control over their children acquiring the dominant native language and dialect. This is why children all have the accents from their neighborhood and not that of their parents.

Nonsense. I have a friend whose MIL has been here for 20 years, legally, and still can't speak English and I mean she can't speak English at all.. She takes care of friend's son and he speaks English with parents and English with grandmother but unerstands Spanish. Parents have everything to do with the dominant language of their children. There is nothing wrong and everything right about being bi- or multi-lingual but if you live n the US it behooves you to learn to speak English if you want to go beyond flipping burgers and being a bus boy. English is the language of business today. and that isn't going to change for a long, long time.

The post wasn't about MIL's who came here as adults. It is about the idea that there is a large bunch of children - born here in the U.S. to immigrants - running around in some insulated English-free ghetto, and they go to school and have to take ESL because they have never turned on a TV, talked with kids at the playground, gone to a movie or read a book or listened to the radio. Kids are sponges. Their parents couldn't stop them from learning English if they tried. They are into pop culture, watching MTV, playing video games, checking out what other kids think is cool. Definitely they speak English. Maybe at two they have not been exposed to English. But by six or seven they know English and probably translate for their parents.