Plymouth Brethren? Two by Twos? Are these cults or just Christian fundamentalist sects?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here....after reading more and hearing the term "closed brethren", I think they may be "open" brethren. It seems to fit their "meetings", and other terminology she has used. They are fundamentalists for sure, and I have zero problems except when it comes to proselytizing, so that has to stop or I can't let my daughter get together over there anymore.

Thanks for all the help for those of you that chimed in.

Sounds like you are allowing your child to attend play dates at a home and you aren’t there. Kids don’t have “get togethers,” their parents make their schedules, drop them off and pick them up.

If you aren’t close enough with this family to ask them the name of their religion, why are you letting your child be in their home unsupervised?

[Anonymous]

Tell us more about this proselytizing. How does an 8 year old do that to a person they occasionally play with?
It seems to me that you are the one doing all this research. Maybe you read too much into it.
Sometimes kids talk about what their family is doing. Maybe that is how you came across the different terminology and did your googling

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell us more about this proselytizing. How does an 8 year old do that to a person they occasionally play with?
It seems to me that you are the one doing all this research. Maybe you read too much into it.
Sometimes kids talk about what their family is doing. Maybe that is how you came across the different terminology and did your googling

If you don’t know the name of the religion the person who is “proselytizing” you ascribes to, you aren’t being “proselytized.”

Obviously the mom isn’t talking to you directly about it, you are gleaning information somehow and googling/asking here. You are willing letting your child go into a home where she supposedly is being questioned and taught about this unknown religion.

[Anonymous]

When my second grader was the recipient of proselytization, he told them that Jesus was a fib. We had a few conversations about how to gently rebuff with respect for their beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When my second grader was the recipient of proselytization, he told them that Jesus was a fib. We had a few conversations about how to gently rebuff with respect for their beliefs.

You aren’t letting your kid make up their own mind about religion and spirituality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When my second grader was the recipient of proselytization, he told them that Jesus was a fib. We had a few conversations about how to gently rebuff with respect for their beliefs.

You aren’t letting your kid make up their own mind about religion and spirituality?

Why do you think our child did not make up his own mind? I don’t see where in my post that I wasn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When my second grader was the recipient of proselytization, he told them that Jesus was a fib. We had a few conversations about how to gently rebuff with respect for their beliefs.

You aren’t letting your kid make up their own mind about religion and spirituality?

Why do you think our child did not make up his own mind? I don’t see where in my post that I wasn’t.

A second grader has independently examined all the issues and thought through it all, and has made up their mind about “Jesus being a “fib?””

You mean you’ve told your second grader what you think and they have internalized it. And you haven’t taught your second grader respect, either. True “atheists” say “ I do not believe in God.” They don’t tell other people that their chosen religion is a lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When my second grader was the recipient of proselytization, he told them that Jesus was a fib. We had a few conversations about how to gently rebuff with respect for their beliefs.

You aren’t letting your kid make up their own mind about religion and spirituality?

Why do you think our child did not make up his own mind? I don’t see where in my post that I wasn’t.

A second grader has independently examined all the issues and thought through it all, and has made up their mind about “Jesus being a “fib?””

You mean you’ve told your second grader what you think and they have internalized it. And you haven’t taught your second grader respect, either. True “atheists” say “ I do not believe in God.” They don’t tell other people that their chosen religion is a lie.

DP who is not a mind reader and neither is immediate pp. Consider that the kid might think this on his/her own, with or without deep thought on the subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When my second grader was the recipient of proselytization, he told them that Jesus was a fib. We had a few conversations about how to gently rebuff with respect for their beliefs.

You aren’t letting your kid make up their own mind about religion and spirituality?

Why do you think our child did not make up his own mind? I don’t see where in my post that I wasn’t.

A second grader has independently examined all the issues and thought through it all, and has made up their mind about “Jesus being a “fib?””

You mean you’ve told your second grader what you think and they have internalized it. And you haven’t taught your second grader respect, either. True “atheists” say “ I do not believe in God.” They don’t tell other people that their chosen religion is a lie.

But religious people tell atheists they are wrong all the time. And worse that that, they tell atheists that they will be punished forever in a fiery pit that a benevolent god has prepared for anyone who doesn't believe in him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When my second grader was the recipient of proselytization, he told them that Jesus was a fib. We had a few conversations about how to gently rebuff with respect for their beliefs.

You aren’t letting your kid make up their own mind about religion and spirituality?

Why do you think our child did not make up his own mind? I don’t see where in my post that I wasn’t.

A second grader has independently examined all the issues and thought through it all, and has made up their mind about “Jesus being a “fib?””

You mean you’ve told your second grader what you think and they have internalized it. And you haven’t taught your second grader respect, either. True “atheists” say “ I do not believe in God.” They don’t tell other people that their chosen religion is a lie.

But religious people tell atheists they are wrong all the time. And worse that that, they tell atheists that they will be punished forever in a fiery pit that a benevolent god has prepared for anyone who doesn't believe in him.

If someone tells you that, you don’t believe it. So why does it bother you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What have they done to try to force your child to believe in their religion?

Any adults who you feel are not respecting the values and morals of you and your family overall should not be an influence in your young child’s life.

If you feel they are not a good influence on your child, no more play dates. What they do for their family is their choice.

They started sending home pamphlets and asking questions about our church, and making comments about my daughter wearing pants . Things like that . No our values don’t align and I wouldn’t have a problem with that if they would not try to convince my daughter that she should have THEIR beliefs because they are right and we are wrong lol. That’s definitely why I’m drawing the line .

I wouldn't encourage a friendship. They are being disrespectful of your home/how you are raising your own child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What have they done to try to force your child to believe in their religion?

Any adults who you feel are not respecting the values and morals of you and your family overall should not be an influence in your young child’s life.

If you feel they are not a good influence on your child, no more play dates. What they do for their family is their choice.

They started sending home pamphlets and asking questions about our church, and making comments about my daughter wearing pants . Things like that . No our values don’t align and I wouldn’t have a problem with that if they would not try to convince my daughter that she should have THEIR beliefs because they are right and we are wrong lol. That’s definitely why I’m drawing the line .

I wouldn't encourage a friendship. They are being disrespectful of your home/how you are raising your own child.

Also since op is sending her child into their home, she’s continuing to put her child in the situation. The other family isn’t seeking out her child; she’s putting her child in that situation.

[Anonymous]

My child is being “proselytized” is a very weak claim since op is sending her child willingly into another home repeatedly.

Free child care is obviously very important to op.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What have they done to try to force your child to believe in their religion?

Any adults who you feel are not respecting the values and morals of you and your family overall should not be an influence in your young child’s life.

If you feel they are not a good influence on your child, no more play dates. What they do for their family is their choice.

They started sending home pamphlets and asking questions about our church, and making comments about my daughter wearing pants . Things like that . No our values don’t align and I wouldn’t have a problem with that if they would not try to convince my daughter that she should have THEIR beliefs because they are right and we are wrong lol. That’s definitely why I’m drawing the line .

I wouldn't encourage a friendship. They are being disrespectful of your home/how you are raising your own child.

Also since op is sending her child into their home, she’s continuing to put her child in the situation. The other family isn’t seeking out her child; she’s putting her child in that situation.

True. Op, stop letting her go over there.

[Anonymous]

I think if you were being forced to send your child to that family by a religion, it could be “proselytizing.”

Since you are willingly taking your child to the home multiple times and won’t even discuss your issues with the other mom, you are allowing this to happen.

That’s not religious indoctrination. And if you still feel it is you are participating, why? You can’t send your kid into someone’s home and demand they do what you want. You know that, right?