Is AAP selection really as random as this board makes it seem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I mean is…high scores? Probably means nothing. High grades? Probably means nothing too. Above grade level distinction? Doesn’t mean a thing.

The consultant report said 50% of it is GBRS. Teacher recommendations have a history of not exactly being random, but of definitely having certain biases.

[Anonymous]

It’s supposed to be merit based, but the pool is drawn up by the school’s principal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s supposed to be merit based, but the pool is drawn up by the school’s principal.

No, the pool is created by the central office. Now that schools will have their own cutoffs, those will be determined by the central office too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s supposed to be merit based, but the pool is drawn up by the school’s principal.

The in pool and referrals are sent to the Central Committee. After the Central Committee meets and appeals are made, the kids who have not been selected can be considered for local placement into their individual schools Local Level IV programs. Then the Principal, AART, and second grade Teachers will decide who should be added to the Local Level IV program.

Local selection is a different beast then the Central Committee selection.

[Anonymous]

Central Committee selection involves several hundred people looking through 6000+ files over the course of 1-2 weeks. Given the sheer number of people involved, some fraction of the individual panels will tend to be either too lenient or too harsh or too biased in some way. With the sheer number of files they're handling, mistakes will be made. Almost all of the kids who should have been admitted will get in on appeals or when they apply again in 3rd grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Central Committee selection involves several hundred people looking through 6000+ files over the course of 1-2 weeks. Given the sheer number of people involved, some fraction of the individual panels will tend to be either too lenient or too harsh or too biased in some way. With the sheer number of files they're handling, mistakes will be made. Almost all of the kids who should have been admitted will get in on appeals or when they apply again in 3rd grade.

Oh that means if you are lucky you may get lenient group to review your file and you will get in in 2nd grade. The unlucky ones, parents have to go through all the effort to appeal and apply again in 3rd grade. The process sucks and there is luck factor involved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Central Committee selection involves several hundred people looking through 6000+ files over the course of 1-2 weeks. Given the sheer number of people involved, some fraction of the individual panels will tend to be either too lenient or too harsh or too biased in some way. With the sheer number of files they're handling, mistakes will be made. Almost all of the kids who should have been admitted will get in on appeals or when they apply again in 3rd grade.

Oh that means if you are lucky you may get lenient group to review your file and you will get in in 2nd grade. The unlucky ones, parents have to go through all the effort to appeal and apply again in 3rd grade. The process sucks and there is luck factor involved.

Most kids are accepted in the first round of admission. While there are some tables that are harder to get through and some tables that are easier, The vast majority of kids accepted into AAP are accepted in the first round. There is less luck then you think.

Most of the parents who are upset that their kid was not admitted tend to be kids who had high test scores and lower GBRSs. Normally the saltiness is because the Teacher didn’t see that their kid was deserving of high GBRSs because of the test scores.

Occasionally there are parents who are upset because their kid had high test scores and high GBRSs and didn’t get in and those baffle most people on the board. That is when I wonder if the person got a crappy table with a few people who don’t like AAP and reject pretty much everyone, or if the comments on the GBRSs didn’t reflect the GBRSs that were awarded. I would say that most of those kids seem to get in on appeal.

The process is not perfect but it seems to work reasonably well for thousands of kids.

[Anonymous]

Be careful for what you wish for. Because then there are kids who were pushed through elementary math so fast (in the accelerated fashion) that basics don’t stick and they are not fully baked in math skills to be *strong* in middle school and high school. With condensing and skipping a year of math, several students are ironically put at a disadvantage for later math. —a high school math teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think most kids with in pool scores on the COGAT and good GBRS scores are in. This board has people that claim to have high on both and are denied but I take those with a grain of salt.

I think less weight is put on the NNAT if that's the only the in pool score.

Me again - oh and I don't think report grades matter so much.

I’ve served in the AAP Selection committee for several years. The report cards get a cursory look over. I only really look at them if I’m on the edge of yes/no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Be careful for what you wish for. Because then there are kids who were pushed through elementary math so fast (in the accelerated fashion) that basics don’t stick and they are not fully baked in math skills to be *strong* in middle school and high school. With condensing and skipping a year of math, several students are ironically put at a disadvantage for later math. —a high school math teacher

This is an interesting comment to me. I keep hearing that AAP math "skips a year ahead," yet my 3rd grader who just started AAP seems to be doing just barely anything different than what she did last year in (virtual) 2nd grade math. It doesn't seem like she skipped a grade, and she tells me "everyone in class gets the math b/c it's really easy." Does it suddenly advance later on? Because as of now, we aren't seeing it.

*Note, this isn't me saying my child is a mathematical genius, I was actually worried about her being in AAP because her strengths are more verbal/linguistic than math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Be careful for what you wish for. Because then there are kids who were pushed through elementary math so fast (in the accelerated fashion) that basics don’t stick and they are not fully baked in math skills to be *strong* in middle school and high school. With condensing and skipping a year of math, several students are ironically put at a disadvantage for later math. —a high school math teacher

This is an interesting comment to me. I keep hearing that AAP math "skips a year ahead," yet my 3rd grader who just started AAP seems to be doing just barely anything different than what she did last year in (virtual) 2nd grade math. It doesn't seem like she skipped a grade, and she tells me "everyone in class gets the math b/c it's really easy." Does it suddenly advance later on? Because as of now, we aren't seeing it.

*Note, this isn't me saying my child is a mathematical genius, I was actually worried about her being in AAP because her strengths are more verbal/linguistic than math.

it seems like 4th grade is the bigger skip

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Be careful for what you wish for. Because then there are kids who were pushed through elementary math so fast (in the accelerated fashion) that basics don’t stick and they are not fully baked in math skills to be *strong* in middle school and high school. With condensing and skipping a year of math, several students are ironically put at a disadvantage for later math. —a high school math teacher

This is an interesting comment to me. I keep hearing that AAP math "skips a year ahead," yet my 3rd grader who just started AAP seems to be doing just barely anything different than what she did last year in (virtual) 2nd grade math. It doesn't seem like she skipped a grade, and she tells me "everyone in class gets the math b/c it's really easy." Does it suddenly advance later on? Because as of now, we aren't seeing it.

*Note, this isn't me saying my child is a mathematical genius, I was actually worried about her being in AAP because her strengths are more verbal/linguistic than math.

it seems like 4th grade is the bigger skip

plus Q1 is generally review in elementary

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Be careful for what you wish for. Because then there are kids who were pushed through elementary math so fast (in the accelerated fashion) that basics don’t stick and they are not fully baked in math skills to be *strong* in middle school and high school. With condensing and skipping a year of math, several students are ironically put at a disadvantage for later math. —a high school math teacher

This is an interesting comment to me. I keep hearing that AAP math "skips a year ahead," yet my 3rd grader who just started AAP seems to be doing just barely anything different than what she did last year in (virtual) 2nd grade math. It doesn't seem like she skipped a grade, and she tells me "everyone in class gets the math b/c it's really easy." Does it suddenly advance later on? Because as of now, we aren't seeing it.

*Note, this isn't me saying my child is a mathematical genius, I was actually worried about her being in AAP because her strengths are more verbal/linguistic than math.

it seems like 4th grade is the bigger skip

plus Q1 is generally review in elementary

I have a fourth grader in Advanced Math, we are waiting for the math to become more challenging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Be careful for what you wish for. Because then there are kids who were pushed through elementary math so fast (in the accelerated fashion) that basics don’t stick and they are not fully baked in math skills to be *strong* in middle school and high school. With condensing and skipping a year of math, several students are ironically put at a disadvantage for later math. —a high school math teacher

This is an interesting comment to me. I keep hearing that AAP math "skips a year ahead," yet my 3rd grader who just started AAP seems to be doing just barely anything different than what she did last year in (virtual) 2nd grade math. It doesn't seem like she skipped a grade, and she tells me "everyone in class gets the math b/c it's really easy." Does it suddenly advance later on? Because as of now, we aren't seeing it.

*Note, this isn't me saying my child is a mathematical genius, I was actually worried about her being in AAP because her strengths are more verbal/linguistic than math.

There’s no a skip, in 3rd and 4th grade, they cover 3 years worth of material versus 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Be careful for what you wish for. Because then there are kids who were pushed through elementary math so fast (in the accelerated fashion) that basics don’t stick and they are not fully baked in math skills to be *strong* in middle school and high school. With condensing and skipping a year of math, several students are ironically put at a disadvantage for later math. —a high school math teacher

This is an interesting comment to me. I keep hearing that AAP math "skips a year ahead," yet my 3rd grader who just started AAP seems to be doing just barely anything different than what she did last year in (virtual) 2nd grade math. It doesn't seem like she skipped a grade, and she tells me "everyone in class gets the math b/c it's really easy." Does it suddenly advance later on? Because as of now, we aren't seeing it.

*Note, this isn't me saying my child is a mathematical genius, I was actually worried about her being in AAP because her strengths are more verbal/linguistic than math.

it seems like 4th grade is the bigger skip

plus Q1 is generally review in elementary

I have a fourth grader in Advanced Math, we are waiting for the math to become more challenging.

Send them to the Russian school of mathematics.