TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

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Anonymous wrote:With the current race quota based admissions, there is huge talent gap between the bottom couple hundred students, who would have never gotten in on merit basis, and the top hundred kids who are enrolled in most advanced post-AP courses and research.

Sad part is the bottom hundred kids are not only enrolled in minimum rigor courses but also are being convinced to accept Cs and Ds.

it's basically turning into a Charter School. The kids at the top are still stars but the kids at the bottom are drowning and 10% of them return to their base school

Some people keep making these claims but sadly can't back them up with any facts. My child is thriving there and I've not heard anything like this personally.

It's pretty easy. Look at the graduating class subtract the entering class for that year and subtract the froshmores for that year.

Just not seeing it, but what is crystal clear is how much less toxic things are now. It's a much nicer place these days.

Absolutely the stress level is noticably lower. The stratification is pretty clear and everyone sort of knows where they fit in terms of academic competitiveness.

The kids seem as bright as ever just not as cut throat.

But they're not. The median PSAT score dropped over 100 points. I expect the SAT scores will see a similar drop this year.
The kids that had Math 4 in the Spring of 2022 were the worst class of math 4 students in TJs history, based on an email the math department sent to the students.
Sure, the top students are still very good but now only about a third to maybe half the students are as good as they used to be.

Yes, median test scores are down across the board since the pandemic but that has nothing to do with TJ.

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How long are you going to be blaming covid? Other high schools which benefited from this 'improved' admissions process are doing fine. Many deserving kids who ended up not going to TJ are doing well and thriving in their base schools.

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Anonymous wrote:81 NMSF from TJ.

Compared to 165 in the class of 2024?

Wow. The Democrats controlling the School Board really know how to tank FCPS. There are certainly not 84 more NMSFs from the other schools this year to compensate for what they did to TJ.

Way to keep running FCPS into the ground, Rachna, Ricardy, Melanie, and Karl. You have made a complete shambles of everything you’ve touched.

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Anonymous wrote:81 NMSF from TJ.

Compared to 165 in the class of 2024?

Wow. The Democrats controlling the School Board really know how to tank FCPS. There are certainly not 84 more NMSFs from the other schools this year to compensate for what they did to TJ.

Way to keep running FCPS into the ground, Rachna, Ricardy, Melanie, and Karl. You have made a complete shambles of everything you’ve touched.

Not an excuse, but the cutoff score did go up for Virginia so the numbers were inflated last year and deflated this year.

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Anonymous wrote:81 NMSF from TJ.

Compared to 165 in the class of 2024?

Wow. The Democrats controlling the School Board really know how to tank FCPS. There are certainly not 84 more NMSFs from the other schools this year to compensate for what they did to TJ.

Way to keep running FCPS into the ground, Rachna, Ricardy, Melanie, and Karl. You have made a complete shambles of everything you’ve touched.

Not an excuse, but the cutoff score did go up for Virginia so the numbers were inflated last year and deflated this year.

NMSF is awarded to the kids who are in the top 0.5% of PSAT scores in their state. If the cutoff score for VA increased, then the students at the top did better this year compared to last year, meaning they needed a higher score to capture only the top 0.5%. None of this explains why FCPS and TJ have so much of a lower share of the VA NMSF this year than previous years.

I am curious about which counties saw large increases in their share of NMSF. Loudoun county's numbers seem similar or even a bit worse than previous years.

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Anonymous wrote:81 NMSF from TJ.

Compared to 165 in the class of 2024?

Wow. The Democrats controlling the School Board really know how to tank FCPS. There are certainly not 84 more NMSFs from the other schools this year to compensate for what they did to TJ.

Way to keep running FCPS into the ground, Rachna, Ricardy, Melanie, and Karl. You have made a complete shambles of everything you’ve touched.

Not an excuse, but the cutoff score did go up for Virginia so the numbers were inflated last year and deflated this year.

It's still a percentage within VA. TJ under the new admission rules does not have as many top scorers in VA as it used to under the old system

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Anonymous wrote:With the current race quota based admissions, there is huge talent gap between the bottom couple hundred students, who would have never gotten in on merit basis, and the top hundred kids who are enrolled in most advanced post-AP courses and research.

Sad part is the bottom hundred kids are not only enrolled in minimum rigor courses but also are being convinced to accept Cs and Ds.

it's basically turning into a Charter School. The kids at the top are still stars but the kids at the bottom are drowning and 10% of them return to their base school

Some people keep making these claims but sadly can't back them up with any facts. My child is thriving there and I've not heard anything like this personally.

It's pretty easy. Look at the graduating class subtract the entering class for that year and subtract the froshmores for that year.

Just not seeing it, but what is crystal clear is how much less toxic things are now. It's a much nicer place these days.

Absolutely the stress level is noticably lower. The stratification is pretty clear and everyone sort of knows where they fit in terms of academic competitiveness.

The kids seem as bright as ever just not as cut throat.

But they're not. The median PSAT score dropped over 100 points. I expect the SAT scores will see a similar drop this year.
The kids that had Math 4 in the Spring of 2022 were the worst class of math 4 students in TJs history, based on an email the math department sent to the students.
Sure, the top students are still very good but now only about a third to maybe half the students are as good as they used to be.

Yes, median test scores are down across the board since the pandemic but that has nothing to do with TJ.

Here are the College board reports from 2019, 2020, 2022 and 2023 (there were no tests administered in 2021).
https://fcta.org/FxCo/Schools/2019_fcps_CollegeBdRpt.pdf
https://fcta.org/FxCo/Schools/2020_fcps_CollegeBdRpt.pdf
https://fcta.org/FxCo/Schools/2022_fcps_CollegeBdRpt.pdf
https://fcta.org/FxCo/Schools/2023_fcps_CollegeBdRpt.pdf

For FCPS:
In 2019, the average PSAT score was 1067
In 2020, the average PSAT score was 1043
In 2022, the average PSAT score was 1018 (pandemic loss does not seem significant)
In 2023, the average PSAT score was 1009

For TJHHST 10th and 11th graders:

In 2019, the average PSAT score was 1418 for 10th graders and 1461 for 11th graders
In 2020, the average PSAT score was 1399 for 10th graders and 1449 for 11th graders
In 2022, the average PSAT score was 1381 for 10th graders and 1443 for 11th graders (no real drop among student admitted before the change despite your purported pandemic loss)
In 2023, the average PSAT score was 1257 for 10th graders and 1435 for 11th graders (a 124 point drop from the previous cohort of 10th graders).

So unless you are equating the 18 point difference between 2021 and 2022 vs the 124 point loss between 2022 and 2023 sophomores, there was a dramatic drop in PSAT scores among the students admitted under the new system.

We also see a ~50% drop; in the number of NMSF at TJ while the number of NMSF recipients in FCPS increased from 238 to 264.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1223230.page

The top half of TJ is still very competitive but the bottom half is bright but not prepared to handle the same level of rigor as the top half.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1223230.page

The silver lining is that in an effort to avoid flunking out a significant portion of the class, the school has increased the curve. This means that it is easier to achieve an A and that is taking a LOT of stress off the kids at the top.

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Anonymous wrote:81 NMSF from TJ.

Compared to 165 in the class of 2024?

Wow. The Democrats controlling the School Board really know how to tank FCPS. There are certainly not 84 more NMSFs from the other schools this year to compensate for what they did to TJ.

Way to keep running FCPS into the ground, Rachna, Ricardy, Melanie, and Karl. You have made a complete shambles of everything you’ve touched.

I am against the new admissions method but there were MORE NMSF this year than last year. Within the margin of variance but it definitely didn't drop.

What dropped was the best and brightest having access to the resources that were designed specifically for them in order to make room for kids based on skin color.

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What would be interesting to see is what % of the 2024 TJ NMSF class would make the 2025 cutoff. I think you would see the numbers drop dramatically in the TJ 2024 class.

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Anonymous wrote:What would be interesting to see is what % of the 2024 TJ NMSF class would make the 2025 cutoff. I think you would see the numbers drop dramatically in the TJ 2024 class.

I don't think it matters much. The cut off is for the top 0.5% scorers for the state of VA. The cut off is higher this year because the test was easier so many more students scored higher which in turn drove the cut off score higher. Class of 2024 had 165 students who scored within that 0.5% while Class of 2025 only has 81. Basically, TJ class of 2025 is not as strong as its previous classes when compared with all their peers in the state of VA

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When was the last time you went to the ER or a new doctor's office and had a white doctor?

Asians are better at maths and sciences than white kids.

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you went to the ER or a new doctor's office and had a white doctor?

Asians are better at maths and sciences than white kids.

Good gracious!

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you went to the ER or a new doctor's office and had a white doctor?

Asians are better at maths and sciences than white kids.

I am on the side that the school board screwed up TJ admission procedures, but your comments about doctors and race are uncalled for. There are good doctors of every race and being good at math and science does not make one a good MD.

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you went to the ER or a new doctor's office and had a white doctor?

Asians are better at maths and sciences than white kids.

Just like mexican take the black job?

Its only show your true color : racist.

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Yikes