ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

So you have a solution that addresses all trapped player issues but you think its too hard to implement.

At least youre agreeing that SY+60 all trapped players + parents will complain less or about things.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

They didn’t say they were getting rid of all complain just most of them!

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

So you have a solution that addresses all trapped player issues but you think its too hard to implement.

At least youre agreeing that SY+60 all trapped players + parents will complain less or about things.

Nice try. Not even close to what was written. People will complain more with the complicated 60 plus garbage. And it doesn't solve all of the trapped players of course. Only GY does that.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

So you have a solution that addresses all trapped player issues but you think its too hard to implement.

At least youre agreeing that SY+60 all trapped players + parents will complain less or about things.

Nice try. Not even close to what was written. People will complain more with the complicated 60 plus garbage. And it doesn't solve all of the trapped players of course. Only GY does that.

No they won't.

SY+60 explains itself in the naming.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

So you have a solution that addresses all trapped player issues but you think its too hard to implement.

At least youre agreeing that SY+60 all trapped players + parents will complain less or about things.

Nice try. Not even close to what was written. People will complain more with the complicated 60 plus garbage. And it doesn't solve all of the trapped players of course. Only GY does that.

No they won't.

SY+60 explains itself in the naming.

9/1 was the right choice for everyone but you and other parents of July/August kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

So you have a solution that addresses all trapped player issues but you think its too hard to implement.

At least youre agreeing that SY+60 all trapped players + parents will complain less or about things.

Nice try. Not even close to what was written. People will complain more with the complicated 60 plus garbage. And it doesn't solve all of the trapped players of course. Only GY does that.

No they won't.

SY+60 explains itself in the naming.

9/1 was the right choice for everyone but you and other parents of July/August kids.

Says the guy with a Sept bday kid.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

So you have a solution that addresses all trapped player issues but you think its too hard to implement.

At least youre agreeing that SY+60 all trapped players + parents will complain less or about things.

Nice try. Not even close to what was written. People will complain more with the complicated 60 plus garbage. And it doesn't solve all of the trapped players of course. Only GY does that.

No they won't.

SY+60 explains itself in the naming.

9/1 was the right choice for everyone but you and other parents of July/August kids.

Says the guy with a Sept bday kid.

Yeah, that's the larger point. No system is perfect in the eyes of everyone. In these situations, you need simplistic, and no exceptions.

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Anonymous wrote:If my August kid went to school on time (our state is 9/1), will they be allowed to play down a year or is the 60+ only for kids that were held back a year from school? I would like the option for my kid to play down a year, like the kids that were held back from school.

SY+60 = kids born after 9/1

But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date.

SY+60 specifically prohibits older kids from playing down with younger kids. Even if they are in the same grade in school.

It allows older kids to play down and create a 14 month window.

It is a 14 month window but 7/1 to 9/1 has to show proof of age with a birth cert and proof of grade enrolled in school.

The only kids that will qualify for 7/1-9/1 are the once from states with a start date before 9/1.

You sure cause their aren't any states with July starts but the idea is for a 60 day allowance? "But, it also allows kids born 7/1-9/1 to "play down" with kids their grade in school. As long as they can prove grade enrolled and birth date." So you are saying the SY60+ would only apply to what, the 5 or so small states with August birthday school start dates? Seems like a nothing burger then.

Correct, but instead of ignoring the states that are getting screwed + still having trapped players. ALL trapped players are addressed with SY+60.

Also a by-product of SY+60 is that regrades aren't allowed to play down for wins. Which is what most people want with SY.

PP says you are incorrect. Which matches with the SY+60 thing. If based on what you are saying, that the state start date matters, then it should only be SY+30 because states don't have start dates before July 31. And SY+30 would be the same as SY on the East Coast. So this whole thing is just for a handful of small states to allow August kids eligible to play one year down.

hawaii public schools cut off of 7/31

FYI, before July 31 would be July 30 or earlier. So only SY or SY+30 for the few states before 9/1, whatever, same thing. Just need to make sure that kids not held back a year from school playing down.

I think there's a couple of districts in Colorado that are 7/15 start dates. They do it because theyre farmers and harvest season is fall. This let's the farmers with babies focus on work.

The +60 only matters if you were born in July and can prove grade enrolled in school.

If you dont do this there will still be trapped players which means there will still be complaints. The complaints will over time translate into exceptions. Expectations if not implemented correctly will translate into GY without restrictions.

The goal was to increase participation and reduce trapped players. They choose 9/1 to do that. If the goal becomes eliminating trapped players, they will go GY.

If playing down is your goal, your best bet is to holdback your July kid in school and have them dominate at school soccer.

There will always be complaints, having no complaints is not a goal.
9/1 is the winner for all except the unknown world for MLSN/GA.

BS, the SY change as to address trapped players. Now that most people are getting what ther want screw everyone else.

You are BS. ECNL only stated that they want to reduce the trapped players. It will be 12 12-month range that the cut off can reduce the most, which is 9/1.

Here's the current ECNL trapped player exepmtion. Expect something similar to +60 for the remaining trapped players. Even with a 9/1 cutoff.

2.9 Trapped Player Exceptions.

2.9.1 Trapped U18/U19 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 11th grade, but who is
age appropriate for the U18/U19 age group is classified as a “Trapped U18/U19 Player”.
A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in games at two (2) U17 ECNL
National Events in the ECNL Season (excluding the ECNL Post Season). No more than
three (3) Trapped U18/U19 Players may participate in any single game at any such U17
ECNL National Event.

2.9.1.1 A “Trapped U18/U19 Player” is a player that is a senior in high school (12th grade),
who has aged out according to our Age Eligibility Chart above, but still enrolled in high
school classes. A Trapped U18/U19 Player is eligible to participate in U18/U19 ECNL
Competition provided they submit proof of high school enrollment.

2.9.2 Trapped U15 Player. An ECNL Registered Player that is in 8th grade (not in high
school), but who is age appropriate for the U15 age group is classified as a “Trapped U15
Player”. A Trapped U15 Player is eligible to participate in U14 ECNL Competition that is
played during the player’s high school association’s sanctioned soccer season. A
Trapped U15 Player that competes in an U14 ECNL Competition pursuant to this Rule
2.9.2 may also compete in the same ECNL Fixture at U15 through U18/U19, provided she
only plays one (1) ECNL Competition per day. No more than two (2) Trapped U15
Players may participate in any individual U14 ECNL Competition.

I would expect some exceptions like this, but note this is a limited number of kids and only in specific years/events. It's not an effective +60 cutoff change for kids' entire soccer career.

Based on the most repeated rumors here, I'm expecting a "grade year exception" rule in ECNL. Something like: for U15+, no more than two over-age players may play down one age group in any game, if those players are enrolled in the expected grade level associated with that team.

If your redshirted July-born player is good enough, there's a good chance s/he will be able to play grade year in club eventually. I just wouldn't count on it during his/her USYS years before joining a national league team.

Why make it so complicated?

Just do SY+60 and all trapped players are addressed and this can be implemented at all age levels.

Not complicated is what they went with ironically, 9/1 - 8/31, because of people like you and others that want the world designed just for them.

Youth soccer is a zero sum game, meaning if a kid gets special treatment, others will bare the cost.

Duh... That's what the SY+60 guy is trying to say. If you dont address all trapped players parents will still complain.

Because parents will always complain and clubs are almost often run by volunteers, leagues are forced to stick with as uncomplicated as possible, hence the strict 12 month window.

Would have thought that it goes without saying but here goes, not every parent complaint needs to or will be addressed. That is life and it is ok.

So you have a solution that addresses all trapped player issues but you think its too hard to implement.

At least youre agreeing that SY+60 all trapped players + parents will complain less or about things.

Nice try. Not even close to what was written. People will complain more with the complicated 60 plus garbage. And it doesn't solve all of the trapped players of course. Only GY does that.

No they won't.

SY+60 explains itself in the naming.

9/1 was the right choice for everyone but you and other parents of July/August kids.

Do you agree that when a school starts before 9/1 that its not the kids fault that they're a trapped player?

[Anonymous]

Miss aligned not trapped. Big difference.

Your child can play with the apropreate age group on the C team. No issue.

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