ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

It's not a blanket exemption. You need to be born 60 days and have proof of grade.

So you are good with redshirts? Why 60 days? Why not include June and May birthdays who were held back, maybe they had a good reason. Why not include kids born premature who were placed in the appropriate grade for their due date. You decided 60 days because it worked for your kid.

You will never solve all trapped players and that’s not what the system is designed to do. It’s designed to place the majority of the kids correctly. Just because we can’t place them all correctly doesn’t mean the change isn’t worth making. It’s not all or nothing. There also isn’t infrastructure in place to handle evaluating exceptions on a wide scale basis.

Agree with everything posted. + guy should seek counciling.

SY+ is a lunatic, a crazy soccer parent who lives totally through his/her mediocre kid, unfortunately.

These responses are extreme. The idea isn't crazy. Other sports do it already. Perhaps what's crazy is the ongoing quixotic effort at trying to convince people who attack/name call in return.

Theres one idiot that just wants to win an arguement.

Yea, other sports (LAX) already use a variation of what's being described with SY+60.

I like the +60 part of SY+60 because without it parents will play their kids down for wins. This is the most frustrating part about Lacrosse and Private Schools. Yes they win a lot but most of their teams are a year older / regrades.

There is no argument to win. Everybody wants something different. There is no system that everyone will agree with. Nobody on a random forum has any influence with decision makers. Trying to get buy-in in a Rube Goldberg of a plan is nuts. But 2,000 here we come!

Exactly. Let the people argue over whatever they want to argue. It's not going to matter and neither side is going to convice the other. The only thing we all need to be laser focused on is getting this thing to 2,000.

Just to keep the ball rolling, it's clear now that for 25/26 there needs to be a BY+60 program to allow the smallest Q4s to play down with their school grade. I'm going to repeat this argument here every few hours until we reach 2000 pages.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be good with SY + 5.

Why didn't anyone suggest BY-minus-60 during the past 10 years? Guess that wasn't a concern of BY+60 guy, or it would have happened.

BY + 4.5 months woulda worked out great for us!

We only need BY + 1. But seriously, just play against a younger professional club academy team, and my kid should be one of the best on that team. Thanks to playing up literally in the top team from the beginning, he is going to his own grade and dominating the younger group.

Or bored. Or finding it's harder than you think.

Scrimmage with the younger group all the time, always beat them 5:0 or more. Half of the team will be gone next year for sure.

Sounds like a recipe to not develop and fall behind. You want teammates to push the kid to be better. You may want a stronger club.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be good with SY + 5.

Why didn't anyone suggest BY-minus-60 during the past 10 years? Guess that wasn't a concern of BY+60 guy, or it would have happened.

BY + 4.5 months woulda worked out great for us!

We only need BY + 1. But seriously, just play against a younger professional club academy team, and my kid should be one of the best on that team. Thanks to playing up literally in the top team from the beginning, he is going to his own grade and dominating the younger group.

Or bored. Or finding it's harder than you think.

Scrimmage with the younger group all the time, always beat them 5:0 or more. Half of the team will be gone next year for sure.

Sounds like a recipe to not develop and fall behind. You want teammates to push the kid to be better. You may want a stronger club.

Different poster - you clearly misread what they said. The point being 1 year younger is a huge difference. They're not playing every game against the younger squad, but when they scrimmage it's a drastic difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be good with SY + 5.

Why didn't anyone suggest BY-minus-60 during the past 10 years? Guess that wasn't a concern of BY+60 guy, or it would have happened.

BY + 4.5 months woulda worked out great for us!

We only need BY + 1. But seriously, just play against a younger professional club academy team, and my kid should be one of the best on that team. Thanks to playing up literally in the top team from the beginning, he is going to his own grade and dominating the younger group.

Or bored. Or finding it's harder than you think.

Scrimmage with the younger group all the time, always beat them 5:0 or more. Half of the team will be gone next year for sure.

Sounds like a recipe to not develop and fall behind. You want teammates to push the kid to be better. You may want a stronger club.

Different poster - you clearly misread what they said. The point being 1 year younger is a huge difference. They're not playing every game against the younger squad, but when they scrimmage it's a drastic difference.

After the change, there will be a lot of people realizing that relative age was a bigger factor than they thought, pleading with coaches to do something to address it.

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USMNT and USWNT have just endorsed SY + to enhance our youth national team development

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They are already disccusing keeping top team at my club as a Deleopment team less focued on winning to keep the kids together.

This all started after they did some math and counted 10 kids moving down from 2012 and that didnt include kids from outside the club.

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Anonymous wrote:They are already disccusing keeping top team at my club as a Deleopment team less focued on winning to keep the kids together.

This all started after they did some math and counted 10 kids moving down from 2012 and that didnt include kids from outside the club.

So top 2013 team becomes 2nd "2013" team then it seems for Fall 2026. Will be interesting to see if the entire team's demotion leads to massive migration or if folks buy into the sales pitch. Going to a countrywide game of musical chairs.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be good with SY + 5.

Why didn't anyone suggest BY-minus-60 during the past 10 years? Guess that wasn't a concern of BY+60 guy, or it would have happened.

BY + 4.5 months woulda worked out great for us!

We only need BY + 1. But seriously, just play against a younger professional club academy team, and my kid should be one of the best on that team. Thanks to playing up literally in the top team from the beginning, he is going to his own grade and dominating the younger group.

Or bored. Or finding it's harder than you think.

Scrimmage with the younger group all the time, always beat them 5:0 or more. Half of the team will be gone next year for sure.

Sounds like a recipe to not develop and fall behind. You want teammates to push the kid to be better. You may want a stronger club.

Different poster - you clearly misread what they said. The point being 1 year younger is a huge difference. They're not playing every game against the younger squad, but when they scrimmage it's a drastic difference.

Different poster…ok sure

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This same thread on Reddit would be a tenth of the posts as one could see it is the same person the entire time.

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT and USWNT have just endorsed SY + to enhance our youth national team development

Is this a troll? Or truth?

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT and USWNT have just endorsed SY + to enhance our youth national team development

Is this a troll? Or truth?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be good with SY + 5.

Why didn't anyone suggest BY-minus-60 during the past 10 years? Guess that wasn't a concern of BY+60 guy, or it would have happened.

BY + 4.5 months woulda worked out great for us!

We only need BY + 1. But seriously, just play against a younger professional club academy team, and my kid should be one of the best on that team. Thanks to playing up literally in the top team from the beginning, he is going to his own grade and dominating the younger group.

Or bored. Or finding it's harder than you think.

Scrimmage with the younger group all the time, always beat them 5:0 or more. Half of the team will be gone next year for sure.

Sounds like a recipe to not develop and fall behind. You want teammates to push the kid to be better. You may want a stronger club.

Different poster - you clearly misread what they said. The point being 1 year younger is a huge difference. They're not playing every game against the younger squad, but when they scrimmage it's a drastic difference.

OP here, we had a game with a younger MLS Academy team and tied them. We are not even a top ECNL team.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be good with SY + 5.

Why didn't anyone suggest BY-minus-60 during the past 10 years? Guess that wasn't a concern of BY+60 guy, or it would have happened.

BY + 4.5 months woulda worked out great for us!

We only need BY + 1. But seriously, just play against a younger professional club academy team, and my kid should be one of the best on that team. Thanks to playing up literally in the top team from the beginning, he is going to his own grade and dominating the younger group.

Or bored. Or finding it's harder than you think.

Scrimmage with the younger group all the time, always beat them 5:0 or more. Half of the team will be gone next year for sure.

Sounds like a recipe to not develop and fall behind. You want teammates to push the kid to be better. You may want a stronger club.

Different poster - you clearly misread what they said. The point being 1 year younger is a huge difference. They're not playing every game against the younger squad, but when they scrimmage it's a drastic difference.

Different poster…ok sure

I mean I am - ask Jeff ?!? since now you're attacking this it shows you just want to argue

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How many states/clubs haven’t held tryouts for 25/26 yet?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd be good with SY + 5.

Why didn't anyone suggest BY-minus-60 during the past 10 years? Guess that wasn't a concern of BY+60 guy, or it would have happened.

BY + 4.5 months woulda worked out great for us!

We only need BY + 1. But seriously, just play against a younger professional club academy team, and my kid should be one of the best on that team. Thanks to playing up literally in the top team from the beginning, he is going to his own grade and dominating the younger group.

Or bored. Or finding it's harder than you think.

Scrimmage with the younger group all the time, always beat them 5:0 or more. Half of the team will be gone next year for sure.

Sounds like a recipe to not develop and fall behind. You want teammates to push the kid to be better. You may want a stronger club.

Different poster - you clearly misread what they said. The point being 1 year younger is a huge difference. They're not playing every game against the younger squad, but when they scrimmage it's a drastic difference.

No misreading. People celebrating that they can dominate younger players. How does that help their development (beyond a nice confidence boost?) What happens when they get to HS and ride the bench OR can't handle older players anymore because they stopped playing them?