ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Any league that doesnt have sy + will fail

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BY SY and GY all cheaters. Only SY + is the true religion

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Anonymous wrote:SY+ lives. All other age classifications are cheaters

ECNL has already stated that theyre moving to SY with a 9/1 cutoff.

Now just add a 2 month grade verification waiver rule on top of SY and you address all trapped players nationwide.

See how this works? ECNL can implement SY+60 whenever they want. You just call thr +60 part a rule.

I bet you didn't know that both ECNL and GA allow trapped players to play down during their trapped year. See what I mean leagues can implement whatever rule they want on top of SY.

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Is it a new uniform cycle for a lot of clubs this upcoming year? Would suck to have to purchase a new one next year to accommodate any changes to number if kids are forced to play SY.

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Anonymous wrote:Any league that doesnt have sy + will fail

What will happen is another league will implement the +60 part (GA) and other leagues will be forced to do the same.

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MLSN academies just announced they are implementing SY + due to inherent fairness

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

It's not a blanket exemption. You need to be born 60 days and have proof of grade.

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

It's not a blanket exemption. You need to be born 60 days and have proof of grade.

So you are good with redshirts? Why 60 days? Why not include June and May birthdays who were held back, maybe they had a good reason. Why not include kids born premature who were placed in the appropriate grade for their due date. You decided 60 days because it worked for your kid.

You will never solve all trapped players and that’s not what the system is designed to do. It’s designed to place the majority of the kids correctly. Just because we can’t place them all correctly doesn’t mean the change isn’t worth making. It’s not all or nothing. There also isn’t infrastructure in place to handle evaluating exceptions on a wide scale basis.

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Anonymous wrote:How and why did an anti SY+ opposition form?

You are arguing against something that doesn't exist in US Youth soccer. You are arguing against a troll that is convinced that if he can persuade an anonymous forums of SY + merits, it might actually materialize out of nothing.

It's a pointless argument for sure. But it will be nice to get to 1000 pages, so I'll take it.

The thread is now above 900,000 views

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

It's not a blanket exemption. You need to be born 60 days and have proof of grade.

So you are good with redshirts? Why 60 days? Why not include June and May birthdays who were held back, maybe they had a good reason. Why not include kids born premature who were placed in the appropriate grade for their due date. You decided 60 days because it worked for your kid.

You will never solve all trapped players and that’s not what the system is designed to do. It’s designed to place the majority of the kids correctly. Just because we can’t place them all correctly doesn’t mean the change isn’t worth making. It’s not all or nothing. There also isn’t infrastructure in place to handle evaluating exceptions on a wide scale basis.

Agree with everything posted. + guy should seek counciling.

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

It's not a blanket exemption. You need to be born 60 days and have proof of grade.

So you are good with redshirts? Why 60 days? Why not include June and May birthdays who were held back, maybe they had a good reason. Why not include kids born premature who were placed in the appropriate grade for their due date. You decided 60 days because it worked for your kid.

You will never solve all trapped players and that’s not what the system is designed to do. It’s designed to place the majority of the kids correctly. Just because we can’t place them all correctly doesn’t mean the change isn’t worth making. It’s not all or nothing. There also isn’t infrastructure in place to handle evaluating exceptions on a wide scale basis.

No completely wrong.

All trapped players can be addressed.

Stubborn people just refuse to do anything other than a single date cutoff.

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

It's not a blanket exemption. You need to be born 60 days and have proof of grade.

So you are good with redshirts? Why 60 days? Why not include June and May birthdays who were held back, maybe they had a good reason. Why not include kids born premature who were placed in the appropriate grade for their due date. You decided 60 days because it worked for your kid.

You will never solve all trapped players and that’s not what the system is designed to do. It’s designed to place the majority of the kids correctly. Just because we can’t place them all correctly doesn’t mean the change isn’t worth making. It’s not all or nothing. There also isn’t infrastructure in place to handle evaluating exceptions on a wide scale basis.

Agree with everything posted. + guy should seek counciling.

SY+ is a lunatic, a crazy soccer parent who lives totally through his/her mediocre kid, unfortunately.

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Anonymous wrote:So many idiots in this thread promoting the plus as something that is actually being considered

Seems like one idiot pushing a garbage system not under consideration because it is essentially GY with hold backs, and cheaters and a 14 month window and while it may have been considered last year when they were debating (highly unlikely), it was not chosen when the rules were set. Done deal.

The troll said they had a girl which makes sense because a 14 month window for boys around puberty is a much bigger issue for boys than girls and much fewer girls play than boys.

SY+60 is the same as GY WITHOUT cheaters playing down.

Which as multiple people have said it what everyone wants.

SY plus is for cheaters.

Yes, wouldn't SY+60, e.g., let July birthdays play down with grade in a district with a 9/1 cutoff? One could argue that this two months isn't a big deal, but it's still a redshirted kid playing down, which is what most people are defining as "cheaters." So it would be "GY with cheaters, just not egregious cheaters."

A cheater is someone who breaks the rules. If the rule is you don't have to start school when a state picks an arbitrary date, and the rule is you have a 60 days window to play with your grade, then you're not a cheater. People who call them cheaters are just crybabies who think the world is out to get them.

If you were arguing that an exception should be made for kids in a state with a 7/31, 8/1, or 8/15 cutoff who attended school on time, I could see your point. Don’t think it will happen except with showcases, but a logical argument.

You are arguing that an exception should be made for kids who were blatantly red shirted because they were close to the cutoff so were held back and didn’t attend school on time. It’s bizarre that you can’t see the other side of this.

All a moot point because none of this is happening.

This. In a hypothetical world where this is on the table, exceptions must be case-by-case to prevent redshirts, not a blanket +60.

It's not a blanket exemption. You need to be born 60 days and have proof of grade.

So you are good with redshirts? Why 60 days? Why not include June and May birthdays who were held back, maybe they had a good reason. Why not include kids born premature who were placed in the appropriate grade for their due date. You decided 60 days because it worked for your kid.

You will never solve all trapped players and that’s not what the system is designed to do. It’s designed to place the majority of the kids correctly. Just because we can’t place them all correctly doesn’t mean the change isn’t worth making. It’s not all or nothing. There also isn’t infrastructure in place to handle evaluating exceptions on a wide scale basis.

Agree with everything posted. + guy should seek counciling.

SY+ is a lunatic, a crazy soccer parent who lives totally through his/her mediocre kid, unfortunately.

These responses are extreme. The idea isn't crazy. Other sports do it already. Perhaps what's crazy is the ongoing quixotic effort at trying to convince people who attack/name call in return.

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Imagine how many nastygrams US Club Soccer and USYS are getting from SY+60 guy. Feel bad for them - and myself!