Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Kids of lower income parents can also have high test scores. I'm fine with segregation. I don't want my kids at those schools nor do I want my kids bussed when we purposely avoided the W schools. Let them self-segregate. It's better anyway as their kids will not be kind to the lower income kids so it's best to keep the kids separate. Kids b

Oops, kids behave like their parents. If their parents act unkind, they will too.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Kids of lower income parents can also have high test scores. I'm fine with segregation. I don't want my kids at those schools nor do I want my kids bussed when we purposely avoided the W schools. Let them self-segregate. It's better anyway as their kids will not be kind to the lower income kids so it's best to keep the kids separate. Kids b

Yes anything is possible but statistics show there is a strong correlation between SES and test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Kids of lower income parents can also have high test scores. I'm fine with segregation. I don't want my kids at those schools nor do I want my kids bussed when we purposely avoided the W schools. Let them self-segregate. It's better anyway as their kids will not be kind to the lower income kids so it's best to keep the kids separate. Kids b

Agree, we also paid a premium to live in one of the segregated W boundaries to avoid exposing our children to the poor.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Kids of lower income parents can also have high test scores. I'm fine with segregation. I don't want my kids at those schools nor do I want my kids bussed when we purposely avoided the W schools. Let them self-segregate. It's better anyway as their kids will not be kind to the lower income kids so it's best to keep the kids separate. Kids b

Agree, we also paid a premium to live in one of the segregated W boundaries to avoid exposing our children to the poor.

Oops. :roll:

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I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.

East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.

West county parents = no take backs

Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.

Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.

East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.

West county parents = no take backs

Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.

Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Realistically a classroom of more than 25% low income kids does decrease learning rates overall, according to research. I think a fair way to do it is require every school to have 20% seats set aside for low income or esol students, and those seats have to be filled first either by lottery or boundary. Some schools will still have more but it won’t be as radically unbalanced. And yeah I think you will find plenty of parents willing to bus their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.

East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.

West county parents = no take backs

Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.

Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?

I disagree with these characterizations. I think it makes sense to leave W schools alone and try to lift other schools up without jeopardizing extremely successful school systems.

I wouldn't advocate for "abandoning" the remaining school systems, but rather making investments in after school programs, outreach programs, in faculty, and in facilities, to make them more successful.

MCPS gets a lot of funding from property taxes on homes zoned to W schools. If they disrupt those schools performance, parents pull out, and the home values drop, that money will instead be funneled directly into private schools. I don't think it makes sense to cut off your nose to spite your face.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Kids of lower income parents can also have high test scores. I'm fine with segregation. I don't want my kids at those schools nor do I want my kids bussed when we purposely avoided the W schools. Let them self-segregate. It's better anyway as their kids will not be kind to the lower income kids so it's best to keep the kids separate. Kids b

Agree, we also paid a premium to live in one of the segregated W boundaries to avoid exposing our children to the poor.

Which is exactly why we don't send our kids to the W schools as we don't want our kids around adults like you. You donate a few bags of rags to goodwill and think you are a generous and kind person. And then scream poverty and demand financial aid when it comes to college and refuse to pay for grad school making up some non-sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.

East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.

West county parents = no take backs

Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.

Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?

I disagree with these characterizations. I think it makes sense to leave W schools alone and try to lift other schools up without jeopardizing extremely successful school systems.

I wouldn't advocate for "abandoning" the remaining school systems, but rather making investments in after school programs, outreach programs, in faculty, and in facilities, to make them more successful.

MCPS gets a lot of funding from property taxes on homes zoned to W schools. If they disrupt those schools performance, parents pull out, and the home values drop, that money will instead be funneled directly into private schools. I don't think it makes sense to cut off your nose to spite your face.

They get lots of property taxes from all over.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Kids of lower income parents can also have high test scores. I'm fine with segregation. I don't want my kids at those schools nor do I want my kids bussed when we purposely avoided the W schools. Let them self-segregate. It's better anyway as their kids will not be kind to the lower income kids so it's best to keep the kids separate. Kids b

It would be gauche to walk around with a shirt that read "I'm a virtuous person" so instead you come to DCUM and vomit up posts like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Kids of lower income parents can also have high test scores. I'm fine with segregation. I don't want my kids at those schools nor do I want my kids bussed when we purposely avoided the W schools. Let them self-segregate. It's better anyway as their kids will not be kind to the lower income kids so it's best to keep the kids separate. Kids b

Agree, we also paid a premium to live in one of the segregated W boundaries to avoid exposing our children to the poor.

Which is exactly why we don't send our kids to the W schools as we don't want our kids around adults like you. You donate a few bags of rags to goodwill and think you are a generous and kind person. And then scream poverty and demand financial aid when it comes to college and refuse to pay for grad school making up some non-sense.

Yeah, that's why. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity metrics aside, the bottom line for many parents in many of the highest performing MCPS schools is that if after redistricting, they believe:

- There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops

Then some proportion of parents will lose confidence in the school system and put their kids in private. This could potentially snowball as performance metrics continue to decline due to higher performers leaving the system.

It's a challenge for MCPS because there only needs to be a perception that this is true for things to get out of hand.

"There are significantly more classroom disruptions than there were pre-redistricting
- Students feel less safe than they did pre-redistricting
- Academic performance drops"

This is all true is it not? I mean, these are the reasons that pro-busers want busing, to spread some of the poverty around which (in their minds) will lessen these issues at the poorest schools. Except that's not going to happen. Schools start to go downhill at 20% farms. At 40% a school is doomed. So people at a 10% farms school don't want 20% added to their school and they definitely don't want their kid bused to a 40% school.

Last I knew the county's average farms rate was around 35%. You may want to move elsewhere.

Everfarms (which is what MCPS uses to determine boundaries) is 42% in MCPS. And I don't care what the county's average is. As long as my kids' schools are under 10% I'm happy.

Sounds like you'd be happier in private school.

My kids' schools are under 10% so I'm happy. I'd be happier if east county progressives weren't trying to ruin our schools.

So, it’s ok the nanny cares for your kids but her kids cannot go to school with yours as you are too cheap to pay her properly so she’s poor. She’s good enough to raise your kids and you still look down on her.

This is the fantasy that east county progressives are trying to sell. Most families in W schools are middle class (by MoCo standards) and don't have nannies. Actual rich people send their kids to private school. That aside, no one wants poor kids in their schools. That's why east county progressives want busing and no one else does.

Middle class families are not living in 800-1 million dollar plus homes. Middle class earn around $80-120-140k max, not 250-800k or more. Those are rich people and you can afford to send your kids to private on that salary. It’s all about lifestyle choices.

We live in a very mixed income community and schools and have no issue with it. We purposely avoided the w schools. We could afford more but don’t need to live in your bubble.

You don’t want your nanny or maids children with yours.

Kids are not poor. Most kids have no income. Parents may make far less than you but that is your fault as you are too stingy to pay them a good wage.

It's clear they think poverty is contagious. Yes, lower-income students would reduce their school's test average but it would have no impact on how their kids do. The pro-segregation posters are nuts.

Realistically a classroom of more than 25% low income kids does decrease learning rates overall, according to research. I think a fair way to do it is require every school to have 20% seats set aside for low income or esol students, and those seats have to be filled first either by lottery or boundary. Some schools will still have more but it won’t be as radically unbalanced. And yeah I think you will find plenty of parents willing to bus their kids.

Why? You think those "poor" kids would be comfortable with the "wealthy" kids who probably will bully and make fun of them. They will self segregate anyway. And, those rich schools bus their SN and high needs kids out of their schools. Look at where all the programs are. Be real.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like there is three morons posting on this thread for the past 30 pages, sometimes responding to them selves based on writing styles.

East county parents = we love poor kids but would love them more if sent to other peoples schools.

West county parents = no take backs

Ideal progressive = poor black kids simply need to see rich kids in their natural habitat to overcome all of society’s other systemic handicaps and generations of stunted momentum.

Ideal conservative = they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps even if only a few percentage make it out of the cycle. It’s worth abandoning the 90%+ because their exploitation is what props up the middle class and better them than me right?

Fabulous summary! (Grammar mistake aside, of course.)

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Anonymous wrote:They get lots of property taxes from all over.

If you tank the home values of W schools and sum the taxes across the county, they’re going to get a lot less in total. MCPS would effectively slash their budget and divert that money into private.