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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

Well then you should try harder in public bc this strategy isn’t doing well for what you want

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

We have three kids in three separate schools. They have sports and other extracurriculars. We work, have a mortgage, and take care of our parents and yards also. We have managed this all without a car for years. Grocery runs and out-of-town extra-curriculars are done via car-share or a rental car. Vacations are done via a rental car. And we have . . . bikes, which are essential for commuting, errands, and allowing us to save money for retirement. We are not special and we are far from unique.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

Was more like 45, but we all know your side has problems with counting and numbers, so I'll let that slide.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

Was more like 45, but we all know your side has problems with counting and numbers, so I'll let that slide.

Yeah, but 18 were candidates. So 20 supporters is about right. Where were the other 80,000 residents of Ward 3? Oh yeah, they didn’t know about this either.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

Was more like 45, but we all know your side has problems with counting and numbers, so I'll let that slide.

Yeah, but 18 were candidates. So 20 supporters is about right. Where were the other 80,000 residents of Ward 3? Oh yeah, they didn’t know about this either.

I mean, it was a candidate mixer, so that was kinda the point. We were at the fort reno stage, not like we reserved Audi Field or anything. Get back to putting up your new signs, Krucoff!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

Was more like 45, but we all know your side has problems with counting and numbers, so I'll let that slide.

Yeah, but 18 were candidates. So 20 supporters is about right. Where were the other 80,000 residents of Ward 3? Oh yeah, they didn’t know about this either.

This is literally one of the longest threads on this site I’ve ever seen. People clearly know about this and don’t care about enough to do something about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

We have three kids in three separate schools. They have sports and other extracurriculars. We work, have a mortgage, and take care of our parents and yards also. We have managed this all without a car for years. Grocery runs and out-of-town extra-curriculars are done via car-share or a rental car. Vacations are done via a rental car. And we have . . . bikes, which are essential for commuting, errands, and allowing us to save money for retirement. We are not special and we are far from unique.

Car share, rental cars, car borrowing? That’s a lot of cars for not owning a car.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

Was more like 45, but we all know your side has problems with counting and numbers, so I'll let that slide.

Yeah, but 18 were candidates. So 20 supporters is about right. Where were the other 80,000 residents of Ward 3? Oh yeah, they didn’t know about this either.

It was supposed to be rainign with a lightning warning in effect. of course that would depress attendence. No one was expecting hordes of attendees.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

So you have made life choices that you feel preclude you from serving as an ANC commissioner? I guess you’ll have to live with the decisions of those who do step up to serve. Oh well. Maybe once you retire….

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

If the majority of people get off their butts and show up, then they can make the decisions. Democracy is a b.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a commuter from MD so you can hate on me, but in our newly hybrid world, I will come into my DC office much less when these changes go into effect. I will spend a lot less money in DC than I have over the past 20yrs. And I will be driving all over DC neighborhoods when I do have to drive downtown. Especially if Beach Drive remains closed. I'm sure the 10 families and 20 Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who use the bikes lanes will be super happy, but having traversed this route over decades, I can assure you that there will be total gridlock and more accidents.

I live on a busy street in MD that gets a lot of NIH commuter traffic, so I understand why residents want to find ways to incentivize options other than car travel. But realistically all the bike lane plan will accomplish is diverting traffic to neighborhood streets, creating huge traffic jams, and reducing interest in working in downtown offices. I know the NWDC crowd thinks that's awesome, but the people who run small businesses and their employees may be less enamored of a city leadership that is actively encouraging smaller numbers of daily visitors.

Maybe you should take this energy and use it to advocate for traffic calming and transit in MoCo. It’s pretty hellish there, and one reason that I am likely staying in DC instead of moving to MoCo. In fact, the Ct Ave project is specifically one reason I might stay.

PS: you can drive to a metro station and metro in to DC. And no, you’re not going to be driving on side streets deep with Cleveland Park. That’s not actually how traffic works.

It's from Calvert Street to Chevy Chase Circle, not just Cleveland Park. There are a lot of side streets along that route and yes that is exactly how traffic works. If there's congestion then an alternate route is found.

Please read the traffic study. Traffic is largely REDUCED on ew side streets and INCREASED on other
major NS routes. https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/page_content/attachments/02_Conn%20Ave_Public%20Meeting_LR%232-Traff-Parking_FINAL_04012021.pdf. On EW side street where it does increase, the increase is something like 15% which will likely not even be noticeable.

And if you care so much, take the metro.

I did and I noticed a few things. It claims there will be a 1000% increase in bike commuters and that 7,000 cars will disappear. It used pandemic traffic numbers as its base. It looked at what happens if more people than anticipated use bikes but not what happens if less people use them. It says traffic will be diverted to GW Parkway and Georgia but not 16th, Reno, and Beach (the most logical alternative routes) let alone how people would get to Reno and Beach (ie: side streets). It is obvious that the study was done with an end goal in mind and was massaged accordingly.

False. The traffic numbers are from 2019.

Try again.

I’m not sure there is a credible urban planner anywhere on the planet that would use pre COVID traffic statistics to make post-pandemic regional transportation infrastructure decisions. The world has fundamentally changed. How, when, and where people work and live has changed. Can’t we at least get updated transportation studies so we can make an informed decisions?

If anything, that makes the 2019 numbers more conservative since fewer people are going downtown and more people are working from home and will want to run errands in their neighborhoods during the day. So you are basically saying that the bike lanes are a good thing to help support businesses in a post-COVID world.

I agree.

Ummm, no. Transit ridership is 50% lower. So traffic may be through the roof. Maybe we should find out?

So you think post-COVID, there is more car traffic than pre-COVID?

There is NOTHING to support that assertion in any jurisdiction.

This you? We need fresh so we don’t totally screw this up for a generation and kill uptown and downtown businesses along the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/09/16/hybrid-work-schedules-pandemic-commuting/

Please show a study that shows that bike lanes kill businesses.

The businesses that get get out of their leases are already leaving. What other proof do you need?

Businesses leaving three years before this is implemented are not leaving because of the bike lanes.

Most commercial leases are for 5 years. Some even for ten. When our ANC commissioners and the bike mafia hears “lease” they think it’s like the 1 year lease on their rental apartments. There is a reason we have age limits to run for federal offices. Stating to think we need that at the ANC level.

So when can we expect you to throw your hat in the ring?

Wish I could but we have three kids in two separate schools. They play travel sports in three different states depending on the weekend. Also trying to get two of them religious education. We both work and have a mortgage. And we care for two aging parents. In our spare time we take of our yard.

And you have….a bike.

DP. Sounds like you have a very strong set of values and priorities - that’s great! You can understand that a majority of other people value something differently, which is why this change is happening

It’s not a majority of people. Ward 3 Bikes had a candidate forum tonight and 20 people showed up. Which is about as many people who want these bikes lanes. The majority of people are too busy to even know this is happening.

Was more like 45, but we all know your side has problems with counting and numbers, so I'll let that slide.

Yeah, but 18 were candidates. So 20 supporters is about right. Where were the other 80,000 residents of Ward 3? Oh yeah, they didn’t know about this either.

It was supposed to be rainign with a lightning warning in effect. of course that would depress attendence. No one was expecting hordes of attendees.

Oh, so people won’t use bikes in bad weather? Well that’s totally obvious. Let’s explore this point some more.