ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lMbhMm4dmA0

Talks about ECNL vs MLSN

That’s a college coach calling for grad year for ECNL….

GY without cheaters ie SY+60 is the only way to make things work.

GY does make sense for recruiting. But if you let in the regrades / holdbacks / homeschoolers youth soccer will instantly become a game of who can hold their kids back the longest. On the boys side college coaches like euro academy washout because theyre 20 with 4 years of eligibility as opposed to 18.

SY+60 includes kids whose parents are trying to cheat the soccer system and with SY+60, they would get away with it. My condolences.

SY+60 = birth cert + grad verification if players were born 7/1-9/1. These are all trapped players not kids a grade older in school playing down.

In most states, they were held back which is why the 9-1 was chosen. School comes first so good on them but they created there own trap in all but a few small states.

[Anonymous]

It's not a grassroots campaign.

Call it SY+60, GY-Cheaters, BY+180, SY with a 2 month verified waiver, etc etc etc. It's all the same

SY with a single 9/1 cutoff doesn't address all trapped players. Which was the reason for switching from BY to SY. This means there will continue to be problems and parents + clubs complaining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SY not supposed to solve everything, but the likely benefits have been noted ad nauseum from us soccer and other orgs. Having SY +60 widens the age gap up to 14 months which is perceived as too much, and understandably so. September 1st strikes a balance with classifying to grade year for most states. You have to pick one and stick with it; otherwise it is the Wild West. Coaches, parents and kids have enough to worry about

The reason leagues want a single cutoff date is because nothing changes with current club business processes.

SY+60 would add an additional verification processes.

Thats part of it, but also the imbalance created by a 14 month age gap exceeds that of misclassifying relatively small number of states when it comes to school year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SY not supposed to solve everything, but the likely benefits have been noted ad nauseum from us soccer and other orgs. Having SY +60 widens the age gap up to 14 months which is perceived as too much, and understandably so. September 1st strikes a balance with classifying to grade year for most states. You have to pick one and stick with it; otherwise it is the Wild West. Coaches, parents and kids have enough to worry about

The reason leagues want a single cutoff date is because nothing changes with current club business processes.

SY+60 would add an additional verification processes.

Thats part of it, but also the imbalance created by a 14 month age gap exceeds that of misclassifying relatively small number of states when it comes to school year

Missclassifying? They're all in the same grade + following their states guidelines for when to start school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not a grassroots campaign.

Call it SY+60, GY-Cheaters, BY+180, SY with a 2 month verified waiver, etc etc etc. It's all the same

SY with a single 9/1 cutoff doesn't address all trapped players. Which was the reason for switching from BY to SY. This means there will continue to be problems and parents + clubs complaining.

It isn't SY 9/1 with a single cutoff. US Soccer is also allowing leagues 8/1 or 1-1 or 9/1. If DCUM has taught anything, it is that their will always be complaining and expecting a perfect solution is unrealistic. Rule making bodies lean towards simplicity over complexity, so straight 12 month periods, sans exceptions begins Fall 2026.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a grassroots campaign.

Call it SY+60, GY-Cheaters, BY+180, SY with a 2 month verified waiver, etc etc etc. It's all the same

SY with a single 9/1 cutoff doesn't address all trapped players. Which was the reason for switching from BY to SY. This means there will continue to be problems and parents + clubs complaining.

It isn't SY 9/1 with a single cutoff. US Soccer is also allowing leagues 8/1 or 1-1 or 9/1. If DCUM has taught anything, it is that their will always be complaining and expecting a perfect solution is unrealistic. Rule making bodies lean towards simplicity over complexity, so straight 12 month periods, sans exceptions begins Fall 2026.

Leagues can do a 9/1 cutoff with a 2 month 7/1-9/1 exemption with verification. Just because US Soccer said leagues have 3 choices doesn't mean everything is written in stone.

You have to take a step back and look at why ECNL wanted to change back to SY. They felt it was in their best interests to make things as easy as possible for college recruiting. Great, fine, to do this you need to get rid of all trapped players. If you dont do it now this issue will come up later. If another league (maybe GA) implements rules to accommodate ALL trapped players ECNL will be forced to follow. Might as well fix it all now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The RAE cultists are annoying

What’s RAE means?

rae = relative age effect

It's a convenient excuse for parents looking for excuses.

This folks is why we are almost to 1000 pages.

I agree rae is like a super excuse that can be used for anyhting.

This is the issue with rae. If you're the type looking for a way to make yourself a victim rae is just too easy.

Most BY crazies hate when RAE is brought up because it challenges their belief that their Q1/2 kid is amazing when actually their kid is just older and an upperclassman….then when their kid is 16-18 they wonder where all the potential went….they’ll ignore that the answer is RAE and they’ll ignore the research because it goes against what they want to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a grassroots campaign.

Call it SY+60, GY-Cheaters, BY+180, SY with a 2 month verified waiver, etc etc etc. It's all the same

SY with a single 9/1 cutoff doesn't address all trapped players. Which was the reason for switching from BY to SY. This means there will continue to be problems and parents + clubs complaining.

It isn't SY 9/1 with a single cutoff. US Soccer is also allowing leagues 8/1 or 1-1 or 9/1. If DCUM has taught anything, it is that their will always be complaining and expecting a perfect solution is unrealistic. Rule making bodies lean towards simplicity over complexity, so straight 12 month periods, sans exceptions begins Fall 2026.

Leagues can do a 9/1 cutoff with a 2 month 7/1-9/1 exemption with verification. Just because US Soccer said leagues have 3 choices doesn't mean everything is written in stone.

You have to take a step back and look at why ECNL wanted to change back to SY. They felt it was in their best interests to make things as easy as possible for college recruiting. Great, fine, to do this you need to get rid of all trapped players. If you dont do it now this issue will come up later. If another league (maybe GA) implements rules to accommodate ALL trapped players ECNL will be forced to follow. Might as well fix it all now.

Ok, GY it is then

[Anonymous]

U10 coach at a club with MLSNext. No confirmation on MLSNext age cutoff for ‘26 but the assumption is they will go 9/1. My fear is if they don’t, I will be bombarded with even more questions from parents…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a grassroots campaign.

Call it SY+60, GY-Cheaters, BY+180, SY with a 2 month verified waiver, etc etc etc. It's all the same

SY with a single 9/1 cutoff doesn't address all trapped players. Which was the reason for switching from BY to SY. This means there will continue to be problems and parents + clubs complaining.

It isn't SY 9/1 with a single cutoff. US Soccer is also allowing leagues 8/1 or 1-1 or 9/1. If DCUM has taught anything, it is that their will always be complaining and expecting a perfect solution is unrealistic. Rule making bodies lean towards simplicity over complexity, so straight 12 month periods, sans exceptions begins Fall 2026.

Leagues can do a 9/1 cutoff with a 2 month 7/1-9/1 exemption with verification. Just because US Soccer said leagues have 3 choices doesn't mean everything is written in stone.

You have to take a step back and look at why ECNL wanted to change back to SY. They felt it was in their best interests to make things as easy as possible for college recruiting. Great, fine, to do this you need to get rid of all trapped players. If you dont do it now this issue will come up later. If another league (maybe GA) implements rules to accommodate ALL trapped players ECNL will be forced to follow. Might as well fix it all now.

Ok, GY it is then

GY is fine just make sure the regrades and cheaters can't participate.

[Anonymous]

Did we just get several pages today rehashing RAE again? You guys have the end goal in mind, 1000 to the moon!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:U10 coach at a club with MLSNext. No confirmation on MLSNext age cutoff for ‘26 but the assumption is they will go 9/1. My fear is if they don’t, I will be bombarded with even more questions from parents…

Ok "coach" u10 MLSN guy

[Anonymous]

8/1 seems okay but 7/1 is pushing with the age gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a grassroots campaign.

Call it SY+60, GY-Cheaters, BY+180, SY with a 2 month verified waiver, etc etc etc. It's all the same

SY with a single 9/1 cutoff doesn't address all trapped players. Which was the reason for switching from BY to SY. This means there will continue to be problems and parents + clubs complaining.

It isn't SY 9/1 with a single cutoff. US Soccer is also allowing leagues 8/1 or 1-1 or 9/1. If DCUM has taught anything, it is that their will always be complaining and expecting a perfect solution is unrealistic. Rule making bodies lean towards simplicity over complexity, so straight 12 month periods, sans exceptions begins Fall 2026.

Leagues can do a 9/1 cutoff with a 2 month 7/1-9/1 exemption with verification. Just because US Soccer said leagues have 3 choices doesn't mean everything is written in stone.

You have to take a step back and look at why ECNL wanted to change back to SY. They felt it was in their best interests to make things as easy as possible for college recruiting. Great, fine, to do this you need to get rid of all trapped players. If you dont do it now this issue will come up later. If another league (maybe GA) implements rules to accommodate ALL trapped players ECNL will be forced to follow. Might as well fix it all now.

Ok, GY it is then

GY is fine just make sure the regrades and cheaters can't participate.

No, GY is based on grade in school, holdbacks and all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a grassroots campaign.

Call it SY+60, GY-Cheaters, BY+180, SY with a 2 month verified waiver, etc etc etc. It's all the same

SY with a single 9/1 cutoff doesn't address all trapped players. Which was the reason for switching from BY to SY. This means there will continue to be problems and parents + clubs complaining.

It isn't SY 9/1 with a single cutoff. US Soccer is also allowing leagues 8/1 or 1-1 or 9/1. If DCUM has taught anything, it is that their will always be complaining and expecting a perfect solution is unrealistic. Rule making bodies lean towards simplicity over complexity, so straight 12 month periods, sans exceptions begins Fall 2026.

Leagues can do a 9/1 cutoff with a 2 month 7/1-9/1 exemption with verification. Just because US Soccer said leagues have 3 choices doesn't mean everything is written in stone.

You have to take a step back and look at why ECNL wanted to change back to SY. They felt it was in their best interests to make things as easy as possible for college recruiting. Great, fine, to do this you need to get rid of all trapped players. If you dont do it now this issue will come up later. If another league (maybe GA) implements rules to accommodate ALL trapped players ECNL will be forced to follow. Might as well fix it all now.

Ok, GY it is then

GY is fine just make sure the regrades and cheaters can't participate.

No, GY is based on grade in school, holdbacks and all.

Adding that is why it will be 9-2 and not GY for Fall 2026.