Taylor Swift Tour

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Anonymous wrote:I love seeing all these UMC moms upset because they didn't get what they wanted and felt they deserved.

I got tickets for my daughter, however I am angry with the way this process was run and that people who really want to be at this show can't because TM allowed bots to snatch up the same tickets I paid $150 for and sell them for $1,000 a piece, which TM then profits from. That's wrong whether or not you got tickets and something should be done about it.

what % were bots?

Even ticketmaster doesn't know. that's the problem. 14 million users tried to enter the presale, when only 2 million presale codes had been given out.

Then that’s on Ticketmaster. They didn’t require a code until check out which was a stupid, bush league move.

On seat geek you had to have a valid code to see seats.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love seeing all these UMC moms upset because they didn't get what they wanted and felt they deserved.

I got tickets for my daughter, however I am angry with the way this process was run and that people who really want to be at this show can't because TM allowed bots to snatch up the same tickets I paid $150 for and sell them for $1,000 a piece, which TM then profits from. That's wrong whether or not you got tickets and something should be done about it.

I listened to the new album and it seems to have some very mature themes now TS is in her 30s, as well as some rather adult language. Similar thing with Harry Styles. Does that give you pause? It seems that these singers have moved on from their teeniebopper phase, yet many of their fans are still very young listening to songs with very adult themes.

How do you define “very adult”?

I reared my children to have brains so they won’t drink just because TS mentioned alcohol a few times.

Would “very adult” themes include gun lovers glorifying guns more than Jesus? Because that’s what I notice. Certain people love their guns, Tweet about their guns, lie about who might take their guns, and take the nice green money from the NRA.

Violence seems a “very adult” theme and not songs from a singer who mentions champagne or wine.

A coup seems a very adult theme, especially a coup in which a president threatens to kill his Vice President. But that’s just me and what I care about. Threats of death and antisemitism and racism on Twitter and elsewhere bother me more than a Swift song. Crazy, I know.

DP. She said fcking a lot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love seeing all these UMC moms upset because they didn't get what they wanted and felt they deserved.

I got tickets for my daughter, however I am angry with the way this process was run and that people who really want to be at this show can't because TM allowed bots to snatch up the same tickets I paid $150 for and sell them for $1,000 a piece, which TM then profits from. That's wrong whether or not you got tickets and something should be done about it.

I listened to the new album and it seems to have some very mature themes now TS is in her 30s, as well as some rather adult language. Similar thing with Harry Styles. Does that give you pause? It seems that these singers have moved on from their teeniebopper phase, yet many of their fans are still very young listening to songs with very adult themes.

How do you define “very adult”?

I reared my children to have brains so they won’t drink just because TS mentioned alcohol a few times.

Would “very adult” themes include gun lovers glorifying guns more than Jesus? Because that’s what I notice. Certain people love their guns, Tweet about their guns, lie about who might take their guns, and take the nice green money from the NRA.

Violence seems a “very adult” theme and not songs from a singer who mentions champagne or wine.

A coup seems a very adult theme, especially a coup in which a president threatens to kill his Vice President. But that’s just me and what I care about. Threats of death and antisemitism and racism on Twitter and elsewhere bother me more than a Swift song. Crazy, I know.

DP. She said fcking a lot.

She’s a 34 year old woman. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love seeing all these UMC moms upset because they didn't get what they wanted and felt they deserved.

If they work as hard as my wife does, they do deserve it.

They got what they deserved. They were given a CHANCE. Having a code doesn't mean you're guaranteed a ticket, only a chance to try to get a ticket. 2.4 million people got tickets.

What you’re missing is that my code gave me no chance because it was a freaking setup! That’s the investigation. It was literally rigged against me and most others who had a magic code to misery. Have you ever clicked on something extremely expensive for an hour straight and gotten an error? It was at its core humiliating.

What they’re also missing is most people only got a code by spending more money on additional merch or previous Loverfest tickets OR by opening or having a Capital One credit card. So no, it’s not that people simply had a chance and didn’t get it. They spent additional money with the promise that that would give them a CODE ensuring they could access early sales and get tickets. They were duped into spending money with false promises about early access. It’s shady as hell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was waitlist for the verified fan but I have a cap1 card so thought I may have a chance. Logged in at 2 pm sharp and was already in 2000th place. Waited for 90 minutes to go through the queue and there was one ticket available for $750.00. Needed three tickets total so has to pass. Frustrated is an understatement.

This is an issue that is getting lost in the rightful anger at Ticketmaster being a corrupt monopoly with no meaningful competitor to encourage it practices ethical sales. The tickets were INSANELY priced and Taylor had control over that. There are very few fans, “verified” or not, who are going to be able to actually purchase tickets for $500-$800 which is what MOST of the available ticket pricing was for those who were even able to get into the purchase queue. Combine that with hours of frustrated waiting and not knowing if you’d get a chance to purchase, some people probably made impulsive decisions to buy whatever was available once they finally made it in knowing how competitive it was and are now sitting on $500 *nosebleed* seats. I fully understand she can’t put on a stadium tour for $49 tickets but I spent $180 for Reputation tickets and would’ve even considered $300 high but fair for a tour of this size in a post-Covid economy of inflation. But the ticket prices were ASTOUNDINGLY high, which either completely shut out a vast majority of her fans base who couldn’t spend that, or pushed people into making unwise financial choices by creating a scarcity model of purchasing.

All around it’s a shame. Ticketmaster bears the brunt but Taylor is also responsible for the insane ticket prices that enabled her to beat her own record of highest one day selling for a tour ever. It’s opportunistic and ensures that only the richest and most privileged have access to live music.

Agree. For Taylor to be “aw shucks guys I’m sorry” is disingenuous. These are top tier professionals. Everyone knew there was a better, more equitable way to do this and chose not to. It is just easier for her to let Ticketmaster take the heat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Verified fans should have used 2-factor authentication w/the cell phone used.

And only do one city at a time or smaller batches.

This. They needed to screen people before one could join the queue, not after, so that traffic would not have bee that heavy. Waiting in a queue all day only to see tickets disappear and be left empty handed or with 1-2 tickets when you needed 4 or with nosebleed tickets when you were ready to pay for floor seats is beyond frustrating.

Waaaaaaaa

You thought just because you have lots of money, you should get what you want (sorry, needed). This dose of reality is just too much for you to comprehend and it's hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love seeing all these UMC moms upset because they didn't get what they wanted and felt they deserved.

I got tickets for my daughter, however I am angry with the way this process was run and that people who really want to be at this show can't because TM allowed bots to snatch up the same tickets I paid $150 for and sell them for $1,000 a piece, which TM then profits from. That's wrong whether or not you got tickets and something should be done about it.

what % were bots?

Even ticketmaster doesn't know. that's the problem. 14 million users tried to enter the presale, when only 2 million presale codes had been given out.

Then that’s on Ticketmaster. They didn’t require a code until check out which was a stupid, bush league move.

You couldn’t access the event unless your email was linked to the verified fan code.

On seat geek you had to have a valid code to see seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Verified fans should have used 2-factor authentication w/the cell phone used.

And only do one city at a time or smaller batches.

This. They needed to screen people before one could join the queue, not after, so that traffic would not have bee that heavy. Waiting in a queue all day only to see tickets disappear and be left empty handed or with 1-2 tickets when you needed 4 or with nosebleed tickets when you were ready to pay for floor seats is beyond frustrating.

Waaaaaaaa

You thought just because you have lots of money, you should get what you want (sorry, needed). This dose of reality is just too much for you to comprehend and it's hilarious.

NP. You're so bitter because you're poor. It's not a good look, above PP. It's already been stated on here a million times why it's an unethical situation. Coming in here to poop on people who can afford the tickets and went through the process (which was flawed) is pathetic. Maybe go to the Money and Finances forum to gain knowledge that can improve your situation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was waitlist for the verified fan but I have a cap1 card so thought I may have a chance. Logged in at 2 pm sharp and was already in 2000th place. Waited for 90 minutes to go through the queue and there was one ticket available for $750.00. Needed three tickets total so has to pass. Frustrated is an understatement.

This is an issue that is getting lost in the rightful anger at Ticketmaster being a corrupt monopoly with no meaningful competitor to encourage it practices ethical sales. The tickets were INSANELY priced and Taylor had control over that. There are very few fans, “verified” or not, who are going to be able to actually purchase tickets for $500-$800 which is what MOST of the available ticket pricing was for those who were even able to get into the purchase queue. Combine that with hours of frustrated waiting and not knowing if you’d get a chance to purchase, some people probably made impulsive decisions to buy whatever was available once they finally made it in knowing how competitive it was and are now sitting on $500 *nosebleed* seats. I fully understand she can’t put on a stadium tour for $49 tickets but I spent $180 for Reputation tickets and would’ve even considered $300 high but fair for a tour of this size in a post-Covid economy of inflation. But the ticket prices were ASTOUNDINGLY high, which either completely shut out a vast majority of her fans base who couldn’t spend that, or pushed people into making unwise financial choices by creating a scarcity model of purchasing.

All around it’s a shame. Ticketmaster bears the brunt but Taylor is also responsible for the insane ticket prices that enabled her to beat her own record of highest one day selling for a tour ever. It’s opportunistic and ensures that only the richest and most privileged have access to live music.

Thank you for pointing that out. Taylor is not some innocent victim of Ticketmaster, and her statement is crappy. She's a grown woman, she's been in this business for a long time and isn't afraid to stand up for herself. This comes down to greed - hers and Ticketmaster’s. A noticeable number of empty seats might send a message, but won't happen. Too many people went into panic mode to get tickets and paid the insane prices. How many on this discussion alone have said they just bought tickets, and THEN were shocked at the cost?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was waitlist for the verified fan but I have a cap1 card so thought I may have a chance. Logged in at 2 pm sharp and was already in 2000th place. Waited for 90 minutes to go through the queue and there was one ticket available for $750.00. Needed three tickets total so has to pass. Frustrated is an understatement.

This is an issue that is getting lost in the rightful anger at Ticketmaster being a corrupt monopoly with no meaningful competitor to encourage it practices ethical sales. The tickets were INSANELY priced and Taylor had control over that. There are very few fans, “verified” or not, who are going to be able to actually purchase tickets for $500-$800 which is what MOST of the available ticket pricing was for those who were even able to get into the purchase queue. Combine that with hours of frustrated waiting and not knowing if you’d get a chance to purchase, some people probably made impulsive decisions to buy whatever was available once they finally made it in knowing how competitive it was and are now sitting on $500 *nosebleed* seats. I fully understand she can’t put on a stadium tour for $49 tickets but I spent $180 for Reputation tickets and would’ve even considered $300 high but fair for a tour of this size in a post-Covid economy of inflation. But the ticket prices were ASTOUNDINGLY high, which either completely shut out a vast majority of her fans base who couldn’t spend that, or pushed people into making unwise financial choices by creating a scarcity model of purchasing.

All around it’s a shame. Ticketmaster bears the brunt but Taylor is also responsible for the insane ticket prices that enabled her to beat her own record of highest one day selling for a tour ever. It’s opportunistic and ensures that only the richest and most privileged have access to live music.

Agree. For Taylor to be “aw shucks guys I’m sorry” is disingenuous. These are top tier professionals. Everyone knew there was a better, more equitable way to do this and chose not to. It is just easier for her to let Ticketmaster take the heat.

+ 1000.

[Anonymous]

Agree that Ticketmaster is the main issue here but as time passes I am increasingly upset with Taylor as well. She could have not used dynamic pricing which would have improved things somewhat.
That said, I have a super fan teen who has had an incredibly difficult year (after 2 not great pandemic years). Taylor’s album releases and music catalog have been a huge source of comfort to her during these times.
I was really looking forward to giving her this experience. I’m a single parent with a meager income by DCUM standards and I’m fighting the urge to blow an obscene (to my finances) amount of money on tickets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love seeing all these UMC moms upset because they didn't get what they wanted and felt they deserved.

If they work as hard as my wife does, they do deserve it.

They got what they deserved. They were given a CHANCE. Having a code doesn't mean you're guaranteed a ticket, only a chance to try to get a ticket. 2.4 million people got tickets.

What you’re missing is that my code gave me no chance because it was a freaking setup! That’s the investigation. It was literally rigged against me and most others who had a magic code to misery. Have you ever clicked on something extremely expensive for an hour straight and gotten an error? It was at its core humiliating.

What they’re also missing is most people only got a code by spending more money on additional merch or previous Loverfest tickets OR by opening or having a Capital One credit card. So no, it’s not that people simply had a chance and didn’t get it. They spent additional money with the promise that that would give them a CODE ensuring they could access early sales and get tickets. They were duped into spending money with false promises about early access. It’s shady as hell.

Is that true? My daughter tried to tell me buying things would help chances but a quick internet search told me that wasn’t true. Several members of the family opened ticket master accounts just for this to get verified. Out of 6 people, we got 4 codes. One got through to get tickets. Interesting enough, my daughters account and the person who had a prior Ticketmaster account didn’t get the code.

[Anonymous]

Has Taylor ever done a free concert over livestream? Perhaps include a charitable component where viewers are invited but not required to make a charitable donation?

That would be awesome…and easy. I don’t care if she does it from her living room or a legit venue. Just do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love seeing all these UMC moms upset because they didn't get what they wanted and felt they deserved.

If they work as hard as my wife does, they do deserve it.

They got what they deserved. They were given a CHANCE. Having a code doesn't mean you're guaranteed a ticket, only a chance to try to get a ticket. 2.4 million people got tickets.

What you’re missing is that my code gave me no chance because it was a freaking setup! That’s the investigation. It was literally rigged against me and most others who had a magic code to misery. Have you ever clicked on something extremely expensive for an hour straight and gotten an error? It was at its core humiliating.

What they’re also missing is most people only got a code by spending more money on additional merch or previous Loverfest tickets OR by opening or having a Capital One credit card. So no, it’s not that people simply had a chance and didn’t get it. They spent additional money with the promise that that would give them a CODE ensuring they could access early sales and get tickets. They were duped into spending money with false promises about early access. It’s shady as hell.

Is that true? My daughter tried to tell me buying things would help chances but a quick internet search told me that wasn’t true. Several members of the family opened ticket master accounts just for this to get verified. Out of 6 people, we got 4 codes. One got through to get tickets. Interesting enough, my daughters account and the person who had a prior Ticketmaster account didn’t get the code.

If you had previously purchased things through her website you were sent an email saying that you’d be given a boost if your ticketmaster account used the same email address. Out of the 3 accounts we used to attempt buying tickets, one had the boost. However one of the non-boosted accounts moved faster. We still ended up without tickets (waitlisted for lottery but long time Capital 1 cardholders) despite 5 hours of putting tickets in the cart only to be beat by another “fan”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree that Ticketmaster is the main issue here but as time passes I am increasingly upset with Taylor as well. She could have not used dynamic pricing which would have improved things somewhat.
That said, I have a super fan teen who has had an incredibly difficult year (after 2 not great pandemic years). Taylor’s album releases and music catalog have been a huge source of comfort to her during these times.
I was really looking forward to giving her this experience. I’m a single parent with a meager income by DCUM standards and I’m fighting the urge to blow an obscene (to my finances) amount of money on tickets.

If you do that, you contribute to the many issues. Next tour, Team Taylor and Ticketmaster know they can get away with exorbitant prices and shady practices again.