ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That’s basically just SY then. I mean, calling it BY but allowing Sept-Dec kids to play down a year is just SY with a different name.

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It’s not, no matter how glibly you claim it to be.

It is. You simply don't understand basic logic.

🤣 you’re an idiot of the first order.

Wow bro! You sure proved that dude wrong!

Also, the saying is the ‘highest order’. The first order are the bad guys in the new Star Wars movies.

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That’s basically just SY then. I mean, calling it BY but allowing Sept-Dec kids to play down a year is just SY with a different name.

No

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It’s not, no matter how glibly you claim it to be.

It is. You simply don't understand basic logic.

🤣 you’re an idiot of the first order.

This is right. Dude is an idiot.

BY = Jan through Dec - 12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

SY = Sept through Aug…12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

“BY + Sept-Dec of older BY” playing down = 12 months band, with 4 months of older kids invading your cohort. Oldest kid is 16 months from youngest.

“Basic logic” guy is either a idiot (my guess too) or a cheat.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to hold back their kids for soccer to the point that it would be an issue. Most elite players play up and do not need or want to play down an age group.

GY to me makes sense because it simplifies teams and keeps kid in the same group as their grade. Also if a kid was held back they should be allowed to play sports while they are in high school.

There are plenty of shenanigans with players being held back in basketball... So its not like it can't happen, there are plenty of examples out there.

What do you mean by plenty? 1 kid per team, 2 kids per team, 1 kid per 5 teams? That would still be between 1-10% of players? The majority will not hold back kids for sports especially on the girls side. I would be willing to bet the girls side has more kids who started early than started late.

If there are so few then a strict SY cutoff should be fine then. Sounds good to me.

You could make the argument both ways. One just aligns all kids with their school grade. If players are great they do not fear competition if there are some holdbacks let the kids get their boots on and compete.

This sounds like the same thing BY people are saying why they don’t want SY kids. Let the sept/dec kids put their boots on and compete.
Just still with strict date like it has always been!

To prove your pint, a family friend has a kid that is a five star football player, probably top 2-3 QB in the 2026 recruiting class. He was held back a year so that he could be this super star. The year he was held back, he wasn’t even top 200.

So many stories like that. Especially boys sports where a year can make such a huge difference.

The problem with holdbacks is once one parent does it with their kid and is successful because of it others will do the same. Also the of age players get their opportunity taken away from them by an older kid who's playing down.

As an example take the GY person that keeps posting an unsubstantiated lie about ECNL moving to GY for olders showcases. How would you feel about it after spending 2-3k to attend some showcase. If a kid a year older started over you kid in front of scouts? See how stupid this is?

Exactly, I dont understand how that would even work. We're going to allow players in prime recruiting ages get pushed to the side by players a year older who've already had a year of playing in front of scouts at events?

For what wins? It's an olders showcase nobody cares. The only situation where this might make sense is if players have already signed commitments and dont care about playing their senior year.

Showcases are for recruiting not wins. Kids of the same GY are competing for the same spots regardless of age. I don’t understand your argument.

Love the comments about people "cheating" by allowing their older kid to play in a showcase with kids in the same graduating class as them. Or worried about it taking playtime form other kids.

The reason ECNL may do this is because it is what college coaches are asking for! They survey the coaches who come to their showcases seeking improvements. and one of the top things coaches list time after time is having to watch players in a game and have to figure out what class they are in. They want to be able to show up to a game and know everyone is Class fo 2027 or Class of 2028, etc.

College coaches aren't paying 2k-3k for their kid to attend a showcase at some far off location. Parents are + these are the kids that should be playing in front of the scouts not some kid playing down because they didn't get recruited the season before.

That’s not how it works? To my knowledge kids can’t be held back in high school. It would be for kids who started late or early so they can play with their school grade.

Also the way the BY system works currently it allows for kids to graduate high school and play another year of ECNL if they aren’t playing college.

So if anything you should be in favor of making sure it’s for high school ages only.

There’s a whole industry in SoCal around athletes holding back in 8th grade. They do their second year of 8th grade in training facilities such as em speed and winners circle.

For what sports?

All sports if playing in HS is the highest level.

Soccer is unique in that because of BY the playing down cheaters haven't been able to get on top teams.

I get it’s frowned upon to hold you kids back for sports but definitely not cheating as cheating is doing something against the rules. This is more like somone having a really good tax guy and understanding how to use the loopholes.

Also with BY most kids can already be held back and do U19 a second time rather than graduate high school.

Example Jan 2007 this year should graduate high school but because they were held back can technically be a junior instead.

So if they can do it now and have chosen not to why would they start with grad year?

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That’s basically just SY then. I mean, calling it BY but allowing Sept-Dec kids to play down a year is just SY with a different name.

No

Yes

It’s not, no matter how glibly you claim it to be.

It is. You simply don't understand basic logic.

🤣 you’re an idiot of the first order.

Wow bro! You sure proved that dude wrong!

Also, the saying is the ‘highest order’. The first order are the bad guys in the new Star Wars movies.

🤣 good job proving it

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That’s basically just SY then. I mean, calling it BY but allowing Sept-Dec kids to play down a year is just SY with a different name.

No

Yes

It’s not, no matter how glibly you claim it to be.

It is. You simply don't understand basic logic.

🤣 you’re an idiot of the first order.

This is right. Dude is an idiot.

BY = Jan through Dec - 12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

SY = Sept through Aug…12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

“BY + Sept-Dec of older BY” playing down = 12 months band, with 4 months of older kids invading your cohort. Oldest kid is 16 months from youngest.

“Basic logic” guy is either an idiot (my guess too) or a cheat.

You really can’t do math can you? BY - BY Sept-Dec kids + SY Sept-Dec = 12.

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That’s basically just SY then. I mean, calling it BY but allowing Sept-Dec kids to play down a year is just SY with a different name.

No

Yes

It’s not, no matter how glibly you claim it to be.

It is. You simply don't understand basic logic.

🤣 you’re an idiot of the first order.

Wow bro! You sure proved that dude wrong!

Also, the saying is the ‘highest order’. The first order are the bad guys in the new Star Wars movies.

🤣 good job proving it

Excellent comeback!

[Anonymous]

Our GA coach told us last night the club (also has MLSN) is switching to SY for fall of 26.

Which Club or it didn’t happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Our GA coach told us last night the club (also has MLSN) is switching to SY for fall of 26.

Which Club or it didn’t happen?

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for $500 please

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to hold back their kids for soccer to the point that it would be an issue. Most elite players play up and do not need or want to play down an age group.

GY to me makes sense because it simplifies teams and keeps kid in the same group as their grade. Also if a kid was held back they should be allowed to play sports while they are in high school.

There are plenty of shenanigans with players being held back in basketball... So its not like it can't happen, there are plenty of examples out there.

What do you mean by plenty? 1 kid per team, 2 kids per team, 1 kid per 5 teams? That would still be between 1-10% of players? The majority will not hold back kids for sports especially on the girls side. I would be willing to bet the girls side has more kids who started early than started late.

If there are so few then a strict SY cutoff should be fine then. Sounds good to me.

You could make the argument both ways. One just aligns all kids with their school grade. If players are great they do not fear competition if there are some holdbacks let the kids get their boots on and compete.

This sounds like the same thing BY people are saying why they don’t want SY kids. Let the sept/dec kids put their boots on and compete.
Just still with strict date like it has always been!

To prove your pint, a family friend has a kid that is a five star football player, probably top 2-3 QB in the 2026 recruiting class. He was held back a year so that he could be this super star. The year he was held back, he wasn’t even top 200.

So many stories like that. Especially boys sports where a year can make such a huge difference.

The problem with holdbacks is once one parent does it with their kid and is successful because of it others will do the same. Also the of age players get their opportunity taken away from them by an older kid who's playing down.

As an example take the GY person that keeps posting an unsubstantiated lie about ECNL moving to GY for olders showcases. How would you feel about it after spending 2-3k to attend some showcase. If a kid a year older started over you kid in front of scouts? See how stupid this is?

Exactly, I dont understand how that would even work. We're going to allow players in prime recruiting ages get pushed to the side by players a year older who've already had a year of playing in front of scouts at events?

For what wins? It's an olders showcase nobody cares. The only situation where this might make sense is if players have already signed commitments and dont care about playing their senior year.

Showcases are for recruiting not wins. Kids of the same GY are competing for the same spots regardless of age. I don’t understand your argument.

Love the comments about people "cheating" by allowing their older kid to play in a showcase with kids in the same graduating class as them. Or worried about it taking playtime form other kids.

The reason ECNL may do this is because it is what college coaches are asking for! They survey the coaches who come to their showcases seeking improvements. and one of the top things coaches list time after time is having to watch players in a game and have to figure out what class they are in. They want to be able to show up to a game and know everyone is Class fo 2027 or Class of 2028, etc.

College coaches aren't paying 2k-3k for their kid to attend a showcase at some far off location. Parents are + these are the kids that should be playing in front of the scouts not some kid playing down because they didn't get recruited the season before.

That’s not how it works? To my knowledge kids can’t be held back in high school. It would be for kids who started late or early so they can play with their school grade.

Also the way the BY system works currently it allows for kids to graduate high school and play another year of ECNL if they aren’t playing college.

So if anything you should be in favor of making sure it’s for high school ages only.

There’s a whole industry in SoCal around athletes holding back in 8th grade. They do their second year of 8th grade in training facilities such as em speed and winners circle.

For what sports?

All sports if playing in HS is the highest level.

Soccer is unique in that because of BY the playing down cheaters haven't been able to get on top teams.

I get it’s frowned upon to hold you kids back for sports but definitely not cheating as cheating is doing something against the rules. This is more like somone having a really good tax guy and understanding how to use the loopholes.

Also with BY most kids can already be held back and do U19 a second time rather than graduate high school.

Example Jan 2007 this year should graduate high school but because they were held back can technically be a junior instead.

So if they can do it now and have chosen not to why would they start with grad year?

lol

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to hold back their kids for soccer to the point that it would be an issue. Most elite players play up and do not need or want to play down an age group.

GY to me makes sense because it simplifies teams and keeps kid in the same group as their grade. Also if a kid was held back they should be allowed to play sports while they are in high school.

There are plenty of shenanigans with players being held back in basketball... So its not like it can't happen, there are plenty of examples out there.

What do you mean by plenty? 1 kid per team, 2 kids per team, 1 kid per 5 teams? That would still be between 1-10% of players? The majority will not hold back kids for sports especially on the girls side. I would be willing to bet the girls side has more kids who started early than started late.

If there are so few then a strict SY cutoff should be fine then. Sounds good to me.

You could make the argument both ways. One just aligns all kids with their school grade. If players are great they do not fear competition if there are some holdbacks let the kids get their boots on and compete.

This sounds like the same thing BY people are saying why they don’t want SY kids. Let the sept/dec kids put their boots on and compete.
Just still with strict date like it has always been!

To prove your pint, a family friend has a kid that is a five star football player, probably top 2-3 QB in the 2026 recruiting class. He was held back a year so that he could be this super star. The year he was held back, he wasn’t even top 200.

So many stories like that. Especially boys sports where a year can make such a huge difference.

The problem with holdbacks is once one parent does it with their kid and is successful because of it others will do the same. Also the of age players get their opportunity taken away from them by an older kid who's playing down.

As an example take the GY person that keeps posting an unsubstantiated lie about ECNL moving to GY for olders showcases. How would you feel about it after spending 2-3k to attend some showcase. If a kid a year older started over you kid in front of scouts? See how stupid this is?

Exactly, I dont understand how that would even work. We're going to allow players in prime recruiting ages get pushed to the side by players a year older who've already had a year of playing in front of scouts at events?

For what wins? It's an olders showcase nobody cares. The only situation where this might make sense is if players have already signed commitments and dont care about playing their senior year.

Showcases are for recruiting not wins. Kids of the same GY are competing for the same spots regardless of age. I don’t understand your argument.

Love the comments about people "cheating" by allowing their older kid to play in a showcase with kids in the same graduating class as them. Or worried about it taking playtime form other kids.

The reason ECNL may do this is because it is what college coaches are asking for! They survey the coaches who come to their showcases seeking improvements. and one of the top things coaches list time after time is having to watch players in a game and have to figure out what class they are in. They want to be able to show up to a game and know everyone is Class fo 2027 or Class of 2028, etc.

College coaches aren't paying 2k-3k for their kid to attend a showcase at some far off location. Parents are + these are the kids that should be playing in front of the scouts not some kid playing down because they didn't get recruited the season before.

That’s not how it works? To my knowledge kids can’t be held back in high school. It would be for kids who started late or early so they can play with their school grade.

Also the way the BY system works currently it allows for kids to graduate high school and play another year of ECNL if they aren’t playing college.

So if anything you should be in favor of making sure it’s for high school ages only.

There’s a whole industry in SoCal around athletes holding back in 8th grade. They do their second year of 8th grade in training facilities such as em speed and winners circle.

For what sports?

All sports if playing in HS is the highest level.

Soccer is unique in that because of BY the playing down cheaters haven't been able to get on top teams.

I get it’s frowned upon to hold you kids back for sports but definitely not cheating as cheating is doing something against the rules. This is more like somone having a really good tax guy and understanding how to use the loopholes.

Also with BY most kids can already be held back and do U19 a second time rather than graduate high school.

Example Jan 2007 this year should graduate high school but because they were held back can technically be a junior instead.

So if they can do it now and have chosen not to why would they start with grad year?

Daughter November born and started kindergarten at 4 so will be a reverse trap player. Just pointing out some facts that the current BY system also has loopholes.

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That’s basically just SY then. I mean, calling it BY but allowing Sept-Dec kids to play down a year is just SY with a different name.

No

Yes

It’s not, no matter how glibly you claim it to be.

It is. You simply don't understand basic logic.

🤣 you’re an idiot of the first order.

This is right. Dude is an idiot.

BY = Jan through Dec - 12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

SY = Sept through Aug…12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

“BY + Sept-Dec of older BY” playing down = 12 months band, with 4 months of older kids invading your cohort. Oldest kid is 16 months from youngest.

“Basic logic” guy is either an idiot (my guess too) or a cheat.

You really can’t do math can you? BY - BY Sept-Dec kids + SY Sept-Dec = 12.

Did you read what the original person posted?

BY + sept-dec play down based on birth month or grade year. You are truly dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That’s basically just SY then. I mean, calling it BY but allowing Sept-Dec kids to play down a year is just SY with a different name.

No

Yes

It’s not, no matter how glibly you claim it to be.

It is. You simply don't understand basic logic.

🤣 you’re an idiot of the first order.

This is right. Dude is an idiot.

BY = Jan through Dec - 12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

SY = Sept through Aug…12 months of competition. Oldest is no more than 12 months from youngest.

“BY + Sept-Dec of older BY” playing down = 12 months band, with 4 months of older kids invading your cohort. Oldest kid is 16 months from youngest.

“Basic logic” guy is either an idiot (my guess too) or a cheat.

You really can’t do math can you? BY - BY Sept-Dec kids + SY Sept-Dec = 12.

Did you read what the original person posted?

BY + sept-dec play down based on birth month or grade year. You are truly dumb.

Did you fail basic math? Again-

BY - BY Sept through Dec kids playing down + SY Sept through Dec playing = 12.

I know the BY fanatics are crazy, but this is another level of redacted.

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I don’t understand the cheating allegations. Is it cheating to hold back?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the cheating allegations. Is it cheating to hold back?

Its cheating

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the cheating allegations. Is it cheating to hold back?

Its cheating

How?