ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still trying to figure out the true impacts.

Regardless of what naysayers post, trap years stink for the 8th graders, both socially and developmentally. Will they find another team, yes, they will, but the level of competition will be significantly lower most likely (playing with lower level trapped kids) BUT not truly a huge issue in my opinion.

Junior year also does stink as well and is probably more of an issue for recruiting than most people would imagine. In my circle are three d1 coaches. They HATE split squads. Contrary to opinion above, most coaches dont go to one off games to watch a single kid. They go to top clubs in their area and to watch clubs where they have a preexisting relationship with the DOCs. And they have to bring a scorecard. Not saying they dont go to the one off game of a single individual they are interested in but that is not the norm. At all. Again, not an insurmountable issue but a PIA issue 100%

Senior year is a waste. Majority of team is gone. You are playing with a fairly established team of Juniors that may or may not take kindly to your presence.

Now, with all that said, who is really getting screwed over? It is 100% RAE issue. That really good younger that cant make the older ECNL team but would be middle of the pack on the year younger ECNL team. BUT it would be the exact same issue if they changed. Then it would be the lower level older who would potentially get bumped from the top team to the B team when the youngers from the above team moved down.

Now, in terms of pure fairness, if you are talking about recruiting, it seems MUCH more likely for a kid that is a very good younger (not exceptional) to be "overlooked" by being on the B team whereby they would be on the A team with grad year. The older kid that gets pushed down, relative to their school peer group, and by extension, recruiting, probably isn't that good to begin with and was given an outsized benefit by being older.

I dont really care one way or the other as my kids are Jan, June and Nov.

Oh, good lord. It is 3 months of club soccer that they still get to play on the younger team. It can also be good to just rest.

People act like trapped players lost years of playing time when in fact they had a full club season.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting about how trapped players still get field time even if their team goes into a sit out for HS soccer. Leagues have things in place to give trapped players opportunities, people then complain about that its more on recruiting than matches/training. There will always be some excuse for the change that affects a small population.

Trapped is more a mentality otherwise no trapped player would make it to college ball

Absolutes don't apply here. They are less likely.

And you think playing musical chairs with cutoffs is going to make a weak and average player all of a sudden exceptional?

Based on the weird pushback from parents of Q1 kids, I wasn't before your comment but am now.

It isn't pushback. Sorry your kid was trapped but if the cutoff changes it won't change the player that your kid is currently. It will make some things more convenient, but don't for a minute think that ECNL is doing this for your trapped player, they are doing it to help out College Coaches and make class recruiting a tad easier for THEM. It has nothing to do with your trapped player and her "struggles" or inconvenience.

You went on some unrelated tangents there but this whole thread is about RAE and I get the push from Q4, just surprised by the high level nervousness from Q1 parents. So then the debate should be how to address RAE more so than what cutoff to use. No?

Birth year wasn't intended to fix RAE as much as it was to make it more obvious.

RAE occurs at younger ages when a year of growth at 10 years old is significant in terms of development. By HS age the impact/damage has already been done.

There is always going to be Q1 because of arbitrary cutoffs.

I've gone through both age cutoffs and nothing changed other than the faces on the team. Kids were not magically better or worse players based on the switch. This is what folks are telling you.

I'm fine with making the switch but it should be phased in at younger ages and then just move forward from then on. There are kids currently playing who started off playing under school cutoffs to have it change to birth year. Enough of the yoyo.

Frankly, I'm just sick of the soccer overlords making these sweeping changes every other year more than I'm concerned with how it would impact my kid.

And when the kids are older and they are on a team they like only to have that broken up always sucks, yes, even if your kid is trapped.

The switch to CY sure as hell was stuffed onto youth soccer without input justified as a cure RAE. (Didn't seem like anyone actually believed this.)

And there seems to be some inconsistencies in that club soccer is said to not be about playing with friends but then people freak out that this switch would lead to some player movement among teams. So what if there is player movement, there is always player movement.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe a system that from the beginning disenfranchises 40% of its players isn’t a good system.

You're telling me that 40% of the players are trapped?

Good lord this is hilarious.

I don't want to hear any complaining when this goes through and your team is completely reshuffled and there still aren't any classmates on her team.

Jesus, club parents with rec soccer mentality. School classmates rarely end up on the same club teams together and they haven't since they were 8 years old.

If she wants to play sports with classmates and friends there is place for that, and it is called High School sports.

Club sports are not intended to be your social club outlet.

10000% agree "Club sports are not intended to be your social club outlet". This is 99% of the issue. Clubs to make $$$ have let in more and more mediocre players. The mediocre players have mediocre parents who push for stupid things like switching to SY cutoff.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if the discussions inside USSF, US Club, USYS, etc. echo the absolute disgust on display here for any kid interested in playing with so much as a single friend from school.

[Anonymous]

So now the argument is social. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the discussions inside USSF, US Club, USYS, etc. echo the absolute disgust on display here for any kid interested in playing with so much as a single friend from school.

Quite the opposite, they need the money from the parents of those kids who might otherwise not play or stick with soccer.

[Anonymous]

This whole trapped player stuff being blown out of proportion are just most parents building ready-made excuses for their kids

While some so-called trapped players are working their ass off and doing as well or better than the Jan-Aug kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting about how trapped players still get field time even if their team goes into a sit out for HS soccer. Leagues have things in place to give trapped players opportunities, people then complain about that its more on recruiting than matches/training. There will always be some excuse for the change that affects a small population.

Trapped is more a mentality otherwise no trapped player would make it to college ball

Absolutes don't apply here. They are less likely.

And you think playing musical chairs with cutoffs is going to make a weak and average player all of a sudden exceptional?

Not clear on where your question is coming from as it relates to RAE.

Trapped isn't RAE
You can be November born and not a late developer.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting about how trapped players still get field time even if their team goes into a sit out for HS soccer. Leagues have things in place to give trapped players opportunities, people then complain about that its more on recruiting than matches/training. There will always be some excuse for the change that affects a small population.

Trapped is more a mentality otherwise no trapped player would make it to college ball

Absolutes don't apply here. They are less likely.

And you think playing musical chairs with cutoffs is going to make a weak and average player all of a sudden exceptional?

Based on the weird pushback from parents of Q1 kids, I wasn't before your comment but am now.

😆... yes, switch to SY and all of a sudden Cavan Sullivan is the worst 2009 player around 😂😂

Morons

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting about how trapped players still get field time even if their team goes into a sit out for HS soccer. Leagues have things in place to give trapped players opportunities, people then complain about that its more on recruiting than matches/training. There will always be some excuse for the change that affects a small population.

Trapped is more a mentality otherwise no trapped player would make it to college ball

Absolutes don't apply here. They are less likely.

And you think playing musical chairs with cutoffs is going to make a weak and average player all of a sudden exceptional?

Not clear on where your question is coming from as it relates to RAE.

Trapped isn't RAE
You can be November born and not a late developer.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting about how trapped players still get field time even if their team goes into a sit out for HS soccer. Leagues have things in place to give trapped players opportunities, people then complain about that its more on recruiting than matches/training. There will always be some excuse for the change that affects a small population.

Trapped is more a mentality otherwise no trapped player would make it to college ball

Absolutes don't apply here. They are less likely.

And you think playing musical chairs with cutoffs is going to make a weak and average player all of a sudden exceptional?

Not clear on where your question is coming from as it relates to RAE.

Trapped isn't RAE
You can be November born and not a late developer.

What page number is this going to get up to before the Nov. Meeting?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting about how trapped players still get field time even if their team goes into a sit out for HS soccer. Leagues have things in place to give trapped players opportunities, people then complain about that its more on recruiting than matches/training. There will always be some excuse for the change that affects a small population.

Trapped is more a mentality otherwise no trapped player would make it to college ball

Absolutes don't apply here. They are less likely.

And you think playing musical chairs with cutoffs is going to make a weak and average player all of a sudden exceptional?

Not clear on where your question is coming from as it relates to RAE.

Trapped isn't RAE
You can be November born and not a late developer.

Youth soccer categories are based on age with the older of the group having an advantage per RAE research. Trapped players born in Sept- Dec are the youngest and are currently on the wrong side of RAE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole trapped player stuff being blown out of proportion are just most parents building ready-made excuses for their kids

While some so-called trapped players are working their ass off and doing as well or better than the Jan-Aug kids.

ECNL would just say those kids are the exception to the rule.

[Anonymous]

Just pointing out the obvious.

If ECNLs SY motives were truly for "trapped" players they could allow 3-4 players from each team to play down a year in ECNL league and events.

Instead ECNL is trying to force everyone to change to their demands.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting about how trapped players still get field time even if their team goes into a sit out for HS soccer. Leagues have things in place to give trapped players opportunities, people then complain about that its more on recruiting than matches/training. There will always be some excuse for the change that affects a small population.

Trapped is more a mentality otherwise no trapped player would make it to college ball

Absolutes don't apply here. They are less likely.

And you think playing musical chairs with cutoffs is going to make a weak and average player all of a sudden exceptional?

Based on the weird pushback from parents of Q1 kids, I wasn't before your comment but am now.

😆... yes, switch to SY and all of a sudden Cavan Sullivan is the worst 2009 player around 😂😂

Morons

Fyi, the the false belief that the switch to SY would create the next Messi was from Q1 protectionist, not a reason given from Q4 people.

You seem to be missing nuance on purpose. Older kids in an age bracket will seem better and be more valuable to clubs trying to win games. Even Billy Idol gets it. But here we have 90 plus pages of talking past each other when 50 percent won't except that climate change, I mean the relative age effect, is real.

I say we get to 120 pages in a week.