Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way Trump hadn't been told one of the pilots was a black woman before he ranted about DEI. What a disgusting pig.

Bingo.

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Anonymous wrote:After hearing the NTSB chair talk for three minutes, I have more confidence in her than Trump or any of his Cabinet nominees.

She has taken 20 minutes to say I’m not telling you anything today.

She's there. She's talking and giving what she knows and what the immediate plans are. That is more than can be said for POTUS and SecDef.

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Man, the male helo pilot (or copilot) said at both ATC warnings that yes, they have visual separation and then went and crashed into the underside of the jet.

W T F.

They could have been watch another plane. It is in the video. Though he could have stopped. Helicopter can hover.

No. Look at the radar. If the helicopter pilot was looking at another plane, he was staring out the side window of the helicopter.

The plane he crashed into is directly in front of him. Even accounting for the fact the plane is descending in altitude and the dark, there is no plausible way the helicopter pilot though they were talking about one of the other planes. There was only one other plane in the vicinity and it's to the side and behind the helicopter.

Also the ATC identifies the aircraft by call sign, which presumably should have shown up on helicopter radar as well.

Dude, they have navigational tools and fly off those most of all! They know an approaching aircraft’s altitude, speed, angle.

If pilot was “looking out since wrong side window” at a different jet farther away, that’s malpractice, malfeasance, negligence and pure idiocy.

They look at both the navs and outside visuals.

Guess which one is most accurate? To the point that in a white out or black out situation they only use it? The Navs!

Something dumb happened here.

And if it’s a cascade of substandard DEI admittances and promotions, so be it.

We need to know.

If it turns out she was piloting, it was the man who radioed they saw the plane. So, it can't entirely be her fault. I mean if you're headed straight for a plane, aren't the other two people on board going to start shouting? If this is going to be some DEI thing, I think we have to be honest that likely all of them are at fault, and perhaps whoever ordered them to be flying then.

Don’t let yourself be manipulated so easily.

NO ONE was focused on the race or gender of the pilots before Trump out that in your head.

correct, we've been focused on competency, experience and merit.

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Anonymous wrote:After hearing the NTSB chair talk for three minutes, I have more confidence in her than Trump or any of his Cabinet nominees.

She has taken 20 minutes to say I’m not telling you anything today.

That is very reasonable and is what everyone else also should have said.

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Anonymous wrote:After hearing the NTSB chair talk for three minutes, I have more confidence in her than Trump or any of his Cabinet nominees.

She has taken 20 minutes to say I’m not telling you anything today.

She's there. She's talking and giving what she knows and what the immediate plans are. That is more than can be said for POTUS and SecDef.

They'll fire her. Can't have competent people running the government.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing that one of the helo pilots was a woman, but nothing I see says she was black.

Where is the source saying the pilot was a black woman?

Who cares this is irrelevant. You're falling into their trap. This isn't relevant at all.

Correct, their resume and experience and education and training is what’s relevant. Same as doctors and anyone else. Merit.

Does this also apply to SecDefs?

Nailed it.

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Anonymous wrote:WHY wasn't there a DoD rep at the press conference???!!

It is WELL KNOWN that any kind of military aircraft mishap MUST have a public statement out NLT 1 hour after incident is known.

Press conference (including US Senators) didn't have a single word about/from the DoD.

Well, remember they have (or are trying to) fired most of the people who know how things are supposed to be done.

Trump’s cultists are such idiots, thinking that cutting career civil servants with zero forethought or is a good thing.

Just the opposite ^^

Maybe the incompetent folks (because this was a preventable incident!) should have been fired a long time ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the NSA is giving press interviews in front of the white house regarding the incident says a lot about the unspoken mission of the helicopter. Not the SecDef, not some Army general. The NSA.

SecDef is probably too drunk to speak publicly.

Are all the Army Generals drunk too? What does the NSA have to do with an Army Helo based out of Ft. Belvoir, unless there is a lot more to the previous passengers of the Helo than we realize.

Trump thinks they’re “woke”.

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Anonymous wrote:Did I miss the part where it became normal to focus on the race and sex of the pilot when admitting people or hiring them?

yeah, guess you did miss it.

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Anonymous wrote:According to Reuters, it was a fairly experienced crew on the helocopter but they were at the wrong altitude.

They were wearing night vision goggles and doing a training flight.

Right before the crash they confirmed they had the jet in sight - they must have been looking at the wrong plane? or else the night goggles impaired their peripheral vision and they couldn't see all the bright lights on the jet they were flying directly into?

were the pilots active duty, full time pilots?

Or were they reservists flying a few times a year?

Pull their career flight logs and let the public know.

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The identities of the helicopter pilots have not been released.

FYI I hear there is a really special place in hell for people who spread false claims about the identities of deceased people.

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This is how we know right wingers aren't actually religious - they have no problem doing and saying things (like spreading lies about the identity of deceased people) that any righteous, all powerful god would respond to by immediately striking you down and torturing you for eternity.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing that one of the helo pilots was a woman, but nothing I see says she was black.

Where is the source saying the pilot was a black woman?

Who cares this is irrelevant. You're falling into their trap. This isn't relevant at all.

Correct, their resume and experience and education and training is what’s relevant. Same as doctors and anyone else. Merit.

Does this also apply to SecDefs?

Nailed it.

Their silence is deafening. Hegseth is indefensible and they know it.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't link to it right now because I'm on my phone, but Washington Post has a visual that is an aerial shot if the area and shows the flight path of both aircraft.

The plane approaches from the South and banks gently west toward the airport, what seems like a very typical approach for anyone who has flown into National.

The helicopter path is bizarre. Travels SE past Hain's Point, the turns SW toward Alexandria, then adjusts to a course that is due South. Then just before the collision, turns fairly hard SW and straight into path of the plane, which according to ATC was on a steady, normal descent.

Why does the helicopter turn hard toward National right before collision? Why do they turn toward the middle of the river at all? Even if flying higher than normal, if they had just maintained that due South course, they would have missed the plane (still too close for comfort and would require review, but without the tragic deaths of nearly 70 people).

I don't get it.

The path is plotted from I assume early ADSB data. This gives off points that can be off by a few feet here and there. The travel between these points is not a straight line. The path looks weird on the graphic but in reality was a lot smoother than this data. The final NTSB report will include more precise paths.

That said the path definitely looks to be hand flown as 99% of helo operations are (not even sure these have an autopilot on them.)

The crossover of the Potomac is also a typical route. The helos from billing regularly dart across between the final approach course. It’s a dumb as crap plan but it has worked. Clearly altitude was an issue and situational awareness. It was hard watching the radar scope on YouTube where you could see the conflict from what looked like 3-4 miles away. This should have been plenty of time for ATC to provide more separation.

helo should have circled Hains Point one time, then been cleared for crossing the river in the middle of DCA runways, or told to bubble out east on MD and avoid DCA, then bank west.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing that one of the helo pilots was a woman, but nothing I see says she was black.

Where is the source saying the pilot was a black woman?

Who cares this is irrelevant. You're falling into their trap. This isn't relevant at all.

Correct, their resume and experience and education and training is what’s relevant. Same as doctors and anyone else. Merit.

Does this also apply to SecDefs?

figureheads vs doctors, pilots, engineers/builders?