FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

What is going on? Your quote appears to indicate that FCPS may propose to address a transportation cost concern with a transportation based solution. You read that as a means for one group to avoid grouping with another group based on relative wealth?

Yikes. I hope that you are not involved in this process. You appear to believe that things such as proximity, capacity, and transportation are all just mechanisms for other goals.

Sometimes a bussing issue is just about busses.

Everyone sees through this. You’d be yelling about it except for the fact that it’s a very slender reed (or in this case Reid) you’re hanging onto in hopes they’ll let rich neighborhoods avoid a much closer, yet poorer, school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

What is going on? Your quote appears to indicate that FCPS may propose to address a transportation cost concern with a transportation based solution. You read that as a means for one group to avoid grouping with another group based on relative wealth?

Yikes. I hope that you are not involved in this process. You appear to believe that things such as proximity, capacity, and transportation are all just mechanisms for other goals.

Sometimes a bussing issue is just about busses.

Everyone sees through this. You’d be yelling about it except for the fact that it’s a very slender reed (or in this case Reid) you’re hanging onto in hopes they’ll let rich neighborhoods avoid a much closer, yet poorer, school.

DP. Sometimes when you’re in a hole you should stop digging.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

NP.

Agree. Everyone knows the “pull out method” used by FCPS does not work (to no one’s surprise).

The answer is ability grouping, with flexibility to change groups at designated times.

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Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

What is going on? Your quote appears to indicate that FCPS may propose to address a transportation cost concern with a transportation based solution. You read that as a means for one group to avoid grouping with another group based on relative wealth?

Yikes. I hope that you are not involved in this process. You appear to believe that things such as proximity, capacity, and transportation are all just mechanisms for other goals.

Sometimes a bussing issue is just about busses.

Everyone sees through this. You’d be yelling about it except for the fact that it’s a very slender reed (or in this case Reid) you’re hanging onto in hopes they’ll let rich neighborhoods avoid a much closer, yet poorer, school.

DP. Sometimes when you’re in a hole you should stop digging.

DP. This would be an obvious concession to Great Falls snobs trying to keep their kids out of Herndon. Don’t get your hopes up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

What is going on? Your quote appears to indicate that FCPS may propose to address a transportation cost concern with a transportation based solution. You read that as a means for one group to avoid grouping with another group based on relative wealth?

Yikes. I hope that you are not involved in this process. You appear to believe that things such as proximity, capacity, and transportation are all just mechanisms for other goals.

Sometimes a bussing issue is just about busses.

Everyone sees through this. You’d be yelling about it except for the fact that it’s a very slender reed (or in this case Reid) you’re hanging onto in hopes they’ll let rich neighborhoods avoid a much closer, yet poorer, school.

DP. Sometimes when you’re in a hole you should stop digging.

DP. This would be an obvious concession to Great Falls snobs trying to keep their kids out of Herndon. Don’t get your hopes up.

Or, just maybe, to stay in the school the neighborhood has attended for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

That isn’t what happens with flexible groupings thought. The reality (as parent and a teacher) is that admin then tells you never to meet with the AAP kids because they don’t need it and to focus on the regular kids who need regular instruction and the “bubble’ kids who can pass assessments with lots of extra help.

The AAP kids get sidelined (which I suppose makes you happy) and never get to have small group time with the teacher.

In AAP, those kids aleast can move a little faster.

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Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

That isn’t what happens with flexible groupings thought. The reality (as parent and a teacher) is that admin then tells you never to meet with the AAP kids because they don’t need it and to focus on the regular kids who need regular instruction and the “bubble’ kids who can pass assessments with lots of extra help.

The AAP kids get sidelined (which I suppose makes you happy) and never get to have small group time with the teacher.

In AAP, those kids aleast can move a little faster.

Baloney. As another teacher and a parent. They already have 2E kids in AAP. Do you think those kids move as fast as the other AAP?

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Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

That isn’t what happens with flexible groupings thought. The reality (as parent and a teacher) is that admin then tells you never to meet with the AAP kids because they don’t need it and to focus on the regular kids who need regular instruction and the “bubble’ kids who can pass assessments with lots of extra help.

The AAP kids get sidelined (which I suppose makes you happy) and never get to have small group time with the teacher.

In AAP, those kids aleast can move a little faster.

Baloney. As another teacher and a parent. They already have 2E kids in AAP. Do you think those kids move as fast as the other AAP?

What's wrong with you? You think 2E kids are less than? Ask mine - she's moves as fast as any. Her disability has nothing to do with her intellect. Your ignorance is astounding but not surprising.

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Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

That isn’t what happens with flexible groupings thought. The reality (as parent and a teacher) is that admin then tells you never to meet with the AAP kids because they don’t need it and to focus on the regular kids who need regular instruction and the “bubble’ kids who can pass assessments with lots of extra help.

The AAP kids get sidelined (which I suppose makes you happy) and never get to have small group time with the teacher.

In AAP, those kids aleast can move a little faster.

Baloney. As another teacher and a parent. They already have 2E kids in AAP. Do you think those kids move as fast as the other AAP?

Disgusting statement from a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

Do you think the AART only visits your kid's class once per month, and not the rest of the school? Think deeper, dingbat. Say there are four classes per grade on average -- that's 28 visits per month and multiple pull-outs per grade from 2-6. Plus dealing with disgruntled parents desperate to get their kids in AAP while simultaneously trashing it and calling for AARTs to be canned.

DP. Again, “pull outs” are a complete waste of time. My son would come home with some ridiculous worksheet that there was never time to finish. They need to stop wasting everyone’s time with that and simply go to flexible groupings, with AAP being one of the groups. Centers and pull outs are absurd.

It sounds like your kid can't keep up. No more pull outs for him, please. Let the kids who can excel stay focused.

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She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

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“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

What is going on? Your quote appears to indicate that FCPS may propose to address a transportation cost concern with a transportation based solution. You read that as a means for one group to avoid grouping with another group based on relative wealth?

Yikes. I hope that you are not involved in this process. You appear to believe that things such as proximity, capacity, and transportation are all just mechanisms for other goals.

Sometimes a bussing issue is just about busses.

Everyone sees through this. You’d be yelling about it except for the fact that it’s a very slender reed (or in this case Reid) you’re hanging onto in hopes they’ll let rich neighborhoods avoid a much closer, yet poorer, school.

DP. Sometimes when you’re in a hole you should stop digging.

DP. This would be an obvious concession to Great Falls snobs trying to keep their kids out of Herndon. Don’t get your hopes up.

Or, just maybe, to stay in the school the neighborhood has attended for decades.

How long was Wakefield Forest at Annandale before it got moved to Woodson? How long was Fox Mill at Oakton before it got moved to South Lakes? Some of those folks wanted to stay put as well, and weren't crazy about the boundary changes, but no one put up as big a fuss as you Langley snobs. You think Herndon is beneath you.

No wonder Reid tosses you a bone to shut you up occasionally.

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Anonymous wrote:Cutting AAP and AARTs will only accelerate the departures of families who have options. Many families move to Fairfax for AAP.

AAP today is what Gen Ed was 10 years ago. Everything has been “dumbed down”. FCPS is in free fall. Boundary study just accelerates the crash.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

That isn’t what happens with flexible groupings thought. The reality (as parent and a teacher) is that admin then tells you never to meet with the AAP kids because they don’t need it and to focus on the regular kids who need regular instruction and the “bubble’ kids who can pass assessments with lots of extra help.

The AAP kids get sidelined (which I suppose makes you happy) and never get to have small group time with the teacher.

In AAP, those kids aleast can move a little faster.

Baloney. As another teacher and a parent. They already have 2E kids in AAP. Do you think those kids move as fast as the other AAP?

Disgusting statement from a teacher.

Just pointing out that a child with learning disabilities frequently needs more time to learn something and more attention. If you do not understand that, you are delusional. If a child has a learning disability --such as dyslexia--you don't think they need more time and help to read a book? There are many 2e kids who cannot keep up with the rest of the class.
And, for the ones with emotional problems, that also slows things down.

I believe we should get rid of AAP. I am all for mainstreaming, but it is misleading to think that a teacher does not need to spend more time with a 2E child than the rest. I was responding to the person who claims that AAP kids move faster than the rest.

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Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

That isn’t what happens with flexible groupings thought. The reality (as parent and a teacher) is that admin then tells you never to meet with the AAP kids because they don’t need it and to focus on the regular kids who need regular instruction and the “bubble’ kids who can pass assessments with lots of extra help.

The AAP kids get sidelined (which I suppose makes you happy) and never get to have small group time with the teacher.

In AAP, those kids aleast can move a little faster.

Baloney. As another teacher and a parent. They already have 2E kids in AAP. Do you think those kids move as fast as the other AAP?

Disgusting statement from a teacher.

Just pointing out that a child with learning disabilities frequently needs more time to learn something and more attention. If you do not understand that, you are delusional. If a child has a learning disability --such as dyslexia--you don't think they need more time and help to read a book? There are many 2e kids who cannot keep up with the rest of the class.
And, for the ones with emotional problems, that also slows things down.

I believe we should get rid of AAP. I am all for mainstreaming, but it is misleading to think that a teacher does not need to spend more time with a 2E child than the rest. I was responding to the person who claims that AAP kids move faster than the rest.

Dear Fellow teacher,
Please explain how a child in advanced math receiving grade 4/5 instruction in grade 4 or grade 6 instruction in grade 5 is moving at the same pace as kids who are not in advanced/AAP math.

They are moving faster. They pass SOLS for a grade higher than their grade level. This is moving faster.

My experience as a teacher and a parent is that the high kids in gen ed NEVER GET SMALL GROUP TIME WITH THE TEACHER. They watch the other kids go to the reading table or math workshop group, but they don’t go. Or if they do go it is like once a month. This is because admin tells us not to.

If your experience is different and you are allowed to meet with high groups as frequently as lower groups- great! Name the school so I can move there.

There are many many many different types of 2E. Not all require “more time” from the AAP or Gen ed teacher.