FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

What does it say about high school and middle school students?

Honestly, high school rezoning is what most people are actually upset about.

Read the words.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

What does it say about high school and middle school students?

Honestly, high school rezoning is what most people are actually upset about.

High School rezoning means ES rezoning. Boundary shifts can mean that kids switch ES, which could switch their MS and HS. It could mean ES being shifted to different MS or HS. Parents in this thread have been most focused on HS, but there are a good number of ES and MS that are over crowded. Those boundaries are going to shift.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What is a “less wealthy school”? I thought the schools were funded by FCPS. Does each school raise its own money?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

Wait sorry, to bring it back to your claim, the one that you just made, where in that quote is anything close to your statement: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids”?

Your meager attempt at explaining falls flat, and makes us question your reasoning skills. Regardless, stop fomenting class warfare, it’s lame.

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She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

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“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Source of this? Federal, state, or county?

This is from FCPS website. I could not find official rules. I think the prior post must come from the state. I'm still trying to find the FCPS official policy.

"We provide transportation to students who live in the designated attendance area of a particular school, usually beyond the approved walking distance of one mile for elementary and 1.5 miles for secondary students. Transportation is required for certain students with special needs, as defined by federal law."

Daily school bus service shall be provided for all elementary students living in excess of one mile from school and for middle and high school students living in excess of one and one-half miles from school.

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/legacy-content/867SGC2A80C4/$FILE/P8610.pdf

Policies not tethered to any ordinance or statute are easily changed. This seems to fall in that category.

Correct. VA law says the SB may, but does not have to provide transportation. FCPS policy says they shall, and would need to be amended if they were to stop providing transportation to in boundary students. It would be another incredibly unpopular move, but they could change the policy.

Maybe we can pair this with other needs-based measures such as eliminating after-school programming at Cooper, but not other middle schools. After all, the assumption seems to be that some families can arrange for transportation and other extras, and the wealthy seem willing to make these trade-offs as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.

You always repeat that last phrase about poor kids without anyone ever in the history of this discussion giving that as a justification for wanting to stay in their current pyramid. It says a lot about you that you are trying to foment class warfare with your neighbors.

Nice effort to flip the script but we all know you’d be outraged by the suggestion that FCPS cease providing transportation to your neighborhoods unless you saw it as a possible way to avoid rezoning to a less wealthy school.

What script did I flip. Those were literally your words that I was responding to.

You literally, verbatim said this: “as long as they can send their kids to schools without poor kids.” No one has ever claimed that, like literally not once in this thread or related threads.

Should we not read your words literally? You got some alternative facts that your operating off of, Kellyanne?

Read the FairFACTS Matters comments when this came up. Example: "It was implied that a solution for the Langley pyramid would be that the boundaries wouldn't change, but FCPS would only provide bussing within a certain radius of Langley."

Y'all are so transparent, even when you are grasping at straws.

What is going on? Your quote appears to indicate that FCPS may propose to address a transportation cost concern with a transportation based solution. You read that as a means for one group to avoid grouping with another group based on relative wealth?

Yikes. I hope that you are not involved in this process. You appear to believe that things such as proximity, capacity, and transportation are all just mechanisms for other goals.

Sometimes a bussing issue is just about busses.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

The AART at our ES was part time. She provided classes for all the kids, plus the LIII pull out, plus a LIV pull out because our school uses the cluster method. DS brought home projects in K-2 that were completed with the AART and enjoyed the LIII pull outs. She was busy, her time was not wasted.

DP. I’m sorry, but this Level 1-3 nonsense is BS. Pull out here, pull out there - it all adds up to a big waste of time. There simply needs to be an AAP grouping for all four core classes that ALL kids have an opportunity to do. Those who need to fall back a level could easily do so if there were flexible groupings. Whoever came up with the current convoluted system was an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:what the hell is a family vision meeting

She also discussed bringing homework to all grades. And something about the middle school after programs.

And, yet, chooses to ignore the parent responses at the regional BRAC input.

From fair facts matters:


“While speaking about the BRAC, Dr. Reid gave me the impression that she truly would like this process to be as minimally disruptive as possible...but there are problems that need to be solved. One of the areas she alluded to as important is fixing transportation issues.

To that end, one of the solutions she mentioned was having a pyramid where a school boundary change won't be made, but FCPS will only provide bussing within a certain radius of that school.

As one would expect, her communication was opaque but I was encouraged by the thought process and possible creative problem-solving.”

Rather ambiguous. So they don't change the boundaries but they just stop providing transportation to families on the outer fringe of the boundary?

Don't see this passing the smell test.

It won't. She was likely just trying to throw them a carrot to shut them up.

Why wouldn’t it? It saves transportation costs by eliminating routes altogether. Posters talk about saving from 2 minute shorter bus routes, saving 20 minutes is ten times those savings!!!

Pretty sure that it is law that FCPS must provide transportation to in boundary students.

It's actually not.

Chapter 12. Pupil Transportation.
Article 1. General Provisions.
§ 22.1-176. Transportation of pupils authorized; when fee may be charged; contributions; regulations of Board of Education.
A. School boards may provide for the transportation of pupils, but nothing herein contained shall be construed as requiring such transportation except as provided in § 22.1-221.

And provision 22.1-221 relates to transportation for special education students.

So, no, FCPS is not required by law to provide transportation to most students.

Then if they (stupidly) choose not to eliminate centers, they should not be providing free busing to those students. AAP kids are not “special ed.”

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Anonymous wrote:How are people finding out specifically what schools are up for grabs? Is if conjecture or is there info somewhere?

Conjecture. An educated guess based on the School Boards comments. I can fully see some of the border shifts that are being discussed, they fit with what the school board has laid out as their reasoning for redistricting.

But there is a lot of fear mongering with the hope that if the groups raise the alarm and FOIAing documents and pointing out how awful the school board is people will place pressure on the school board. This is coming from the same schools with the same posters. I would love to see an analysis of what percent of posters are responsible for the conversation in this topic. I suspect that a relativly small number of posters are responsible for the lions share of the posts.

Anyone who sees pros, to go along with the cons, is shouted down by the people who are violently opposed to any changes that moves their kids. There have been some good suggestions made in the topics, but they are hard to find.

I fully expect there to be large shifts in the Herndon, Centerville, Chantilly, South Lakes, Oakton, Westfield area because of the issues with over crowding and space available in some of the schools. The ES situation is problematic, and those shifts will affect MS and HS. That has been touched on a bit but for the most part the loudest voices have been the Great Falls and WSHS families.

FCPS is too big and really should be broken into smaller districts, but I doubt that is going to happen.

I think the opposition is fanning this flame - they keep bringing up Langley and Herndon all the time. It just creates a response. No where was that discussed in any meeting. But - there they are saying it will happen because of equity. The county, in their view, will pay extra, drive longer distances, just to bus people from GF Village all the way to HHS. Going after trans was the last election, CRT the one before, now it's equity driven boundary change.

From Forestville, 2 minutes longer to cooper than HMS. From Forestville, 9 minutes longer to Langley than HHS. Don’t take my word for it. Check on maps at relevant times of the day.

The narrative about transportation savings is a chimera.

That 9 minutes is significant if they are trying to save costs via bus. It’s not just traveling TO Langley, but also the time it takes to get to those neighborhoods potentially out of route.

DP. You know what's a lot more significant? The wasted almost empty buses that traverse the county to take AAP kids to centers - when they already have AAP in their base school. THAT'S not only grossly wasteful and redundant, but also the very definition of INequity. I certainly hope the SB gets rid of centers and their associated busing before moving a single child to a new school.

Agreed! AAP centers should be the first thing to cut when there is a budget shortfall. That includes the elementary school specialists who work with 3 kids a day and give a lesson once a month.

Do you think the AART only visits your kid's class once per month, and not the rest of the school? Think deeper, dingbat. Say there are four classes per grade on average -- that's 28 visits per month and multiple pull-outs per grade from 2-6. Plus dealing with disgruntled parents desperate to get their kids in AAP while simultaneously trashing it and calling for AARTs to be canned.

DP. Again, “pull outs” are a complete waste of time. My son would come home with some ridiculous worksheet that there was never time to finish. They need to stop wasting everyone’s time with that and simply go to flexible groupings, with AAP being one of the groups. Centers and pull outs are absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Cutting AAP and AARTs will only accelerate the departures of families who have options. Many families move to Fairfax for AAP.

No one is talking about cutting AAP. The discussion is about getting rid of center schools and educating all kids at their base schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Cutting AAP and AARTs will only accelerate the departures of families who have options. Many families move to Fairfax for AAP.

AAP today is what Gen Ed was 10 years ago. Everything has been “dumbed down”. FCPS is in free fall. Boundary study just accelerates the crash.

Yep.