Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Travis had no interest in reality tv. He’s on record that he made bad decisions his rookie year, was broke, and needed the money.

His rookie contract was like $3 mil with a $700k signing bonus, so I'm not buying that he did reality TV because he was broke. I don't dislike him or think he's a "dumb jock," but come on.

Yes, he's on record (years ago) as saying he was incredibly dumb with his money. He fully admits it. He himself was calling himself a dumb jock for all intents and purposes. He also missed his entire first year due to injury and it was not a good year for him. So when he was approached by E! he thought it would be a good opportunity to get some cash flow that he needed. I think it's true because it doesn't exactly paint him in a good light.

Eh. But he was still willing to do the show for money. He’s not the first broke athlete but he made a choice to do that super cheesy show so obviously he can’t really say he had no interest in it.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the ability to share the WSJ magazine article Travis is featured in?

https://www.wsj.com/style/travis-kelce-chiefs-taylor-swift-relationship-413ce0d7?st=0fhkr9suqmabb74&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

He says in the article that he needed the money his first year in the NFL because he didn't understand that he wouldn't get paychecks during the offseason.

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Whether he did the dating show because he blew through his NFL money or he did it because any attention is good attention... neither is a good look, but whatever. He was young and immature.

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Anonymous wrote:The important question of the day

Will she be at the game tonight?

LOL!

No. One of her fans died due to extreme heat at her concert. Even Taylor was gasping for breath that night.

She delayed her shows by a few days due to weather and the death and will now still be in Brazil today.

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Anonymous wrote:Travis had no interest in reality tv. He’s on record that he made bad decisions his rookie year, was broke, and needed the money.

His rookie contract was like $3 mil with a $700k signing bonus, so I'm not buying that he did reality TV because he was broke. I don't dislike him or think he's a "dumb jock," but come on.

Yes, he's on record (years ago) as saying he was incredibly dumb with his money. He fully admits it. He himself was calling himself a dumb jock for all intents and purposes. He also missed his entire first year due to injury and it was not a good year for him. So when he was approached by E! he thought it would be a good opportunity to get some cash flow that he needed. I think it's true because it doesn't exactly paint him in a good light.

I was a skeptical one upthread and find what you added to make the story more believable.

Travis has a good point about being dumb with money. I remember reading that a lot NFL players waste their money and can end up broke quickly if they aren’t careful. It’s a lot of money to get in a short period of time when one is young and still maturing.

Good for him if this is true and he was so open and honest about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have the ability to share the WSJ magazine article Travis is featured in?

https://www.wsj.com/style/travis-kelce-chiefs-taylor-swift-relationship-413ce0d7?st=0fhkr9suqmabb74&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

He says in the article that he needed the money his first year in the NFL because he didn't understand that he wouldn't get paychecks during the offseason.

Thanks for posting that! I hope people read this. This shows why people in the NFL universally love this guy. He may not be a Rhodes Scholar, but he lost his scholarship and stayed committed to being in school and got a job to pay for it (before the scholarship may have been reinstated). And he graduated. And he just loves life. It comes through in his podcast - he pretty much laughs his way through it, just having fun.

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He lost his scholarship for failing a drug test. He’s lucky to have his older brother who has backed him a number of times in his football career, it seems. There’s no way he needed to do a reality show because he wouldn’t get paid in the NFL for a few months. He has an incredibly supportive family who could have been there for him. He also could have picked up shifts at Home Depot if it came to that. He wanted the fame. It’s ok!

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Anonymous wrote:He lost his scholarship for failing a drug test. He’s lucky to have his older brother who has backed him a number of times in his football career, it seems. There’s no way he needed to do a reality show because he wouldn’t get paid in the NFL for a few months. He has an incredibly supportive family who could have been there for him. He also could have picked up shifts at Home Depot if it came to that. He wanted the fame. It’s ok!

I think it is more he is a fun-loving extrovert who likes to try new things because why not and he is not shy.

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Anonymous wrote:He lost his scholarship for failing a drug test. He’s lucky to have his older brother who has backed him a number of times in his football career, it seems. There’s no way he needed to do a reality show because he wouldn’t get paid in the NFL for a few months. He has an incredibly supportive family who could have been there for him. He also could have picked up shifts at Home Depot if it came to that. He wanted the fame. It’s ok!

Yeah, I see what you're saying - his reports are that it was a pretty quick buck, but who knows. But he did really screw up his finances. He talks about it all the time because he doesn't want younger players to make the same mistakes he made. He's also very much on record as to why he lost his scholarship. My only point was that he stayed committed to finishing college despite losing that scholarship. There's a lot to like about the guy, even when he sometimes comes across as a bit of an oaf. He's an oaf with a huge heart. Any of us could do worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Travis had no interest in reality tv. He’s on record that he made bad decisions his rookie year, was broke, and needed the money.

His rookie contract was like $3 mil with a $700k signing bonus, so I'm not buying that he did reality TV because he was broke. I don't dislike him or think he's a "dumb jock," but come on.

Yes, he's on record (years ago) as saying he was incredibly dumb with his money. He fully admits it. He himself was calling himself a dumb jock for all intents and purposes. He also missed his entire first year due to injury and it was not a good year for him. So when he was approached by E! he thought it would be a good opportunity to get some cash flow that he needed. I think it's true because it doesn't exactly paint him in a good light.

I was a skeptical one upthread and find what you added to make the story more believable.

Travis has a good point about being dumb with money. I remember reading that a lot NFL players waste their money and can end up broke quickly if they aren’t careful. It’s a lot of money to get in a short period of time when one is young and still maturing.

Good for him if this is true and he was so open and honest about it.

This is true. The NFL has taken steps over the last 5-8 years to combat this. There are new player education courses on finances and investing. I follow a few players on social media and they have done some good videos on what it's like to go from nothing to $$$ so quickly.

It's interesting learning the ins and outs from them. I had no idea that players had to buy their equipment. Meaning, if they want to keep a specific jersey or their helmet, they have to buy that one from the team. Otherwise all the equipment is considered "rented" and must be returned after each game/season. I also just learned this week that after a player is done in the NFL, as long as they are a vested player, they get medical, dental, vision insurance for 5 years after their final season for themselves and their dependents.

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Anonymous wrote:He lost his scholarship for failing a drug test. He’s lucky to have his older brother who has backed him a number of times in his football career, it seems. There’s no way he needed to do a reality show because he wouldn’t get paid in the NFL for a few months. He has an incredibly supportive family who could have been there for him. He also could have picked up shifts at Home Depot if it came to that. He wanted the fame. It’s ok!

He definitely benefited from having such a stellar older brother. I remember the story Travis and Jason told on their podcast about how Jason was playing in the NLF and bought himself a new, fully loaded truck. He then got a brand deal/endorsement with a local Philly car dealership that included a free vehicle. He knew that Travis' car was crap that hardly worked, so he gave his new truck to Travis. Travis had the truck for for mere hours before he drove it into Cleveland and left it unlocked with the key fob inside and it was stolen.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So we're posting giant lists illustrating Swift's greed and ability to cultivate parasocial relationships, while cherry picking two unfavorable things about peer artists, as if there are none to be found about Swift. Surely we don't want to go there?

Can you describe how collaborating with other artists means Taylor Swift is greedy? I'm very curious about your take on this and why you are saying that.

And can you describe how having good marketing means someone is greedy?

DP- Many artists collaborate to learn a new style or experiment and make themselves better or more interesting musicians. They may travel to another country and get new songs etc (Beatles in India is a famous example).
Taylor does it to make more money and expand her fan base.
The other artists want process and craft while Taylor wants dollars and fans.
If you believe in capitalism and mass marketed music/entertainment as an end and business you see nothing wrong with her path. If you want to see art, harmony and interesting/new experimentation in music you probably will look beyond Taylor to fill that desire.

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So we're posting giant lists illustrating Swift's greed and ability to cultivate parasocial relationships, while cherry picking two unfavorable things about peer artists, as if there are none to be found about Swift. Surely we don't want to go there?

Can you describe how collaborating with other artists means Taylor Swift is greedy? I'm very curious about your take on this and why you are saying that.

And can you describe how having good marketing means someone is greedy?

DP- Many artists collaborate to learn a new style or experiment and make themselves better or more interesting musicians. They may travel to another country and get new songs etc (Beatles in India is a famous example).
Taylor does it to make more money and expand her fan base.
The other artists want process and craft while Taylor wants dollars and fans.
If you believe in capitalism and mass marketed music/entertainment as an end and business you see nothing wrong with her path. If you want to see art, harmony and interesting/new experimentation in music you probably will look beyond Taylor to fill that desire.

You're quite a mind reader! What else does Taylor want, wise one? How do you know her so well?!

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I thought he came across as very likable in the WSJ article

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Anonymous wrote:If this is legit, the timing will go like this:
Summer 2024 - engagement
Late 2024 - finish the Eras international tour
Feb 2025 - TS performs Eras at the Super Bowl, the exclamation point finale to the tour
May/June 2025 - wedding
Fall 2025 - announce pregnancy, long break from touring

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I also think that Midnights was a breakup album and Taylor and Travis have been together since at least May if not before. There's a video circulating of Taylor in a golf cart at a stadium during a run-through and she's wearing a bright red & yellow shirt under a hoodie. Someone found the exact shirt online and it's a Chiefs shirt. Those are also two colors that Taylor doesn't wear under normal circumstances.

I think she'll do the 2025 Super Bowl where the Chiefs will also play. I think he'll retire after the 2025 super bowl. He'll be turning 36 that year and that's pretty old in the NFL, especially for a tight end. She will go on a hiatus from shows and tours, possibly until she's almost 40 or when she turns 40.

The delusion.

Travis was with an IG “model” in May. Said IG model was attending some of TK’s games up until last month.

He is so vile. I hope Taylor isn't touching his dirty ****. This is two gross boys in a row for her. Really slumming it in the gutter since Joe.

Joe is a dud. A talentless nepo with control issues.

Totally agree. She was WAY too good for Joe. He wanted to dim her light. Please.

I respect Dolly Parton so much for acknowledging that her husband didn’t want the star/famous life. Her light wasn’t dimmed by anyone, she made her way on her won. I would think, assuming Taylor has all the qualities her fans ascribe to her, she would be able to do the same. Why are you defining her by her man?

What? No one is defining her "by her man". Taylor fans want her to have a man who supports her. Its well known that Joe was not supportive of her going on this new tour and all the hoopla that went with it. He loved what they had when she was hiding out after the Kanye debacle and during COVID. That's different than Dolly's husband who is very supportive but stays behind the scenes - a man can do both of those things. Taylor is NEVER going to live a normal life. She needs a man who can handle that- whether he wants to be in the spotlight or not.

I’m curious: I’m not a Taylor Swift fan, so I don’t really have a perspective on her music. Do you think she’ll have a lifelong career — if she wants one? That 20 or 30 years from now, her fans — either current or new — will still be excited to listen to her music?

Dp- not a swiftie, but that is an obvious yes. She is doing a GREATEST HITS tour. Right now. In her prime. She is 33? Or there abouts and she has been dominant since the aughts..
She’s in the Michael Jackson, Madonna, level of stardom. She’s a legend and she’s not 35.
I’m not sure how I feel about her music. I don’t think it’s for me, but that’s irrelevant. She’s made it. She will have different levels of success, but she’s with us till she’s gone.
Oh wait… just googled. 2026 is 20 years since her first hit… she’ll be 37?
20 years dominating and not even 40. Tina Turner ( RIP QUEEN) was in her 40’s when she made her big solo come back. It’s (Taylor’s) just an insane journey of extreme longevity for a career that treats artists as one use disposals. Crazy.

These days, all the young kids start out that way: the Disney channel started all these artists off really young (Timberlake, Miley cyrus, Cristina, Britney etc) so they could grab the tween/teen kids and their parents money. That way when the artists go on to adulthood, the commercial money making machine is already in place. Her longevity has little to do with her brilliance and everything to do with 1. Her stable parents and 2. Marketing and commercialization of her product.

Yeah this is a weak comparison. No one you’ve listed has gotten close to her level of success. They’ve all had their moments but not sustained like TS. Not as many awards. Not as many sales. Not the same level public interest. Just not comparable.
She could fizzle out in a couple of years. Do you think that’s actually likely?
Really?
She wasn’t a Disney or Nickelodeon star. Does she have good parents? Seemingly so. But you think her marketing was just so much better than everyone else? If it was marketing they all would be doing it. At some point you have to concede it’s her. At some point you have to give her credit.

Both things can be true.

She strategizes how to gain new audiences. Britney and Timberlake probably didn’t do much of that.

Taylor strategically partners with bands (National, the 1975, Haim, for example) and other bands of different genres and I suspect part of that is to draw in new audiences and part of that (like with newer artists like Ice Spice) is for PR.

Yes, her marketing is way better than any other artist.

Examples:

—She uses “you,” so it always sounds like she is talking to one person. “I saw the videos of you camping out for a spot. Thank you for doing that. I love you.”

—She released the SAME album with FOUR different covers to maximize revenue. Buy all four and you can make a clock.

—She releases tracks that you can only buy a Target.

—She partners with singers and musicians to bring in new audiences.

Kendrick Lamar
Ice Spice
The National (audiences is dads of Swifties)
Haim

—She had a show Midnights Mayhem with Me on TikTok to share one track title per night with fans.

The list goes on.

Meanwhile, Britney dances with knives and Justin is associated with abortion and ripping off Janet Jackson’s shirt at a Super Bowl.

You can’t be a good marketer if you don’t have educated and sane family members to get you through early stardom.

Taylor had an eating disorder and her family probably helped her though it. Without that support, she easily could have not made it.

A lot of talented people fizzle out due to making big mistakes, having a breakdown, or having to spend energy dealing with trauma from crazy family members.

You can’t thrive for long if you are dealing with all that.

So we're posting giant lists illustrating Swift's greed and ability to cultivate parasocial relationships, while cherry picking two unfavorable things about peer artists, as if there are none to be found about Swift. Surely we don't want to go there?

Can you describe how collaborating with other artists means Taylor Swift is greedy? I'm very curious about your take on this and why you are saying that.

And can you describe how having good marketing means someone is greedy?

DP- Many artists collaborate to learn a new style or experiment and make themselves better or more interesting musicians. They may travel to another country and get new songs etc (Beatles in India is a famous example).
Taylor does it to make more money and expand her fan base.
The other artists want process and craft while Taylor wants dollars and fans.
If you believe in capitalism and mass marketed music/entertainment as an end and business you see nothing wrong with her path. If you want to see art, harmony and interesting/new experimentation in music you probably will look beyond Taylor to fill that desire.

You're quite a mind reader! What else does Taylor want, wise one? How do you know her so well?!

Ha- Taylor left Easter eggs of course that is why so many fans “know” her!

Seriously though there was an article about it so other people have similar thoughts and laid out an argument. If you look at the “impact” of the collaborations on her music style it is pretty obvious that she is attempting to get more fans. She is not over the fact that John Mayer or whoever wrote her off for her mainstream songs.