Condoms, Drug Dealers, Drunk Fathers – Are these good books for 6th graders?

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issues with the topics at all or the books. But I think that reading the classics gives you a good background for understanding references in the future. So many people constantly reference shakespeare, a tree grows in brooklyn, catch-22, wuthering heights, etc.

People reference them without having actually read them...

Exactly....how many people understand what the idea of a Catch 22 without having ever read the book?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to know what books the OP and some others think should be read in English.

I’m certain some titles that will get thrown out are the “classics” that many have read and would gladly never read again and wish they hadn’t been forced to endure initially.

But let’s see....

There's lots of classics I read in school and loved that it turns out people hate (people hate Frankenstein! Can you believe it?), but what I took from that is that my aesthetic tastes should maybe not be whole curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

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NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what do you think is wrong with 6th graders reading about those things? I don't understand.

CONDOMS!

Your 6th grader doesn’t know what a condom is? Do they know about sex yet, lol.

Better to learn about a condom in a book than when they see one sitting in the boys bathroom as a joke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to know what books the OP and some others think should be read in English.

I’m certain some titles that will get thrown out are the “classics” that many have read and would gladly never read again and wish they hadn’t been forced to endure initially.

But let’s see....

There's lots of classics I read in school and loved that it turns out people hate (people hate Frankenstein! Can you believe it?), but what I took from that is that my aesthetic tastes should maybe not be whole curriculum.

Also, the OP stated that the books were on a recommended reading list, so they weren’t even a part of the curriculum, much less the whole curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

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NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Which is why folks pretend like it doesn’t exist or matter when reminded that God isn’t always merciful and benevolent.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Which is why folks pretend like it doesn’t exist or matter when reminded that God isn’t always merciful and benevolent.

Hmm, this Jew thinks that’s a good example of selective reading.

We don’t have the option of a nice, benevolent God. Our version of God has some serious wrath!

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Which is why folks pretend like it doesn’t exist or matter when reminded that God isn’t always merciful and benevolent.

Hmm, this Jew thinks that’s a good example of selective reading.

We don’t have the option of a nice, benevolent God. Our version of God has some serious wrath!

Agreed! Which is why I believe the Bible might be must the most selectively read, quoted, and adhered to text of all time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Massacre of the Innocents is murder
Cleansing of the Temple is violent
The crucifixion ... Nailing Jesus to a cross, tying others
Stoning
Revelations? War, murder, the collapse of society

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Massacre of the Innocents is murder
Cleansing of the Temple is violent
The crucifixion ... Nailing Jesus to a cross, tying others
Stoning
Revelations? War, murder, the collapse of society

Revelations is pretty crazy, I’ll give you that. It’s just that the Old Testament God is super vengeful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Massacre of the Innocents is murder
Cleansing of the Temple is violent
The crucifixion ... Nailing Jesus to a cross, tying others
Stoning
Revelations? War, murder, the collapse of society

Revelations is pretty crazy, I’ll give you that. It’s just that the Old Testament God is super vengeful.

Matthew mark luke and john are 100% about a friend betraying Jesus, he carries his own cross is whipped and tortured and hanged to die with nails through his hands while his mother cried at his feat.

Come on ... it’s violent.
Also they talk about killing tax men and adulterers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Massacre of the Innocents is murder
Cleansing of the Temple is violent
The crucifixion ... Nailing Jesus to a cross, tying others
Stoning
Revelations? War, murder, the collapse of society

Revelations is pretty crazy, I’ll give you that. It’s just that the Old Testament God is super vengeful.

Matthew mark luke and john are 100% about a friend betraying Jesus, he carries his own cross is whipped and tortured and hanged to die with nails through his hands while his mother cried at his feat.

Come on ... it’s violent.
Also they talk about killing tax men and adulterers.

I’m really talking about the difference in how God is depicted in the Old Testament vs the New Testament.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Massacre of the Innocents is murder
Cleansing of the Temple is violent
The crucifixion ... Nailing Jesus to a cross, tying others
Stoning
Revelations? War, murder, the collapse of society

Revelations is pretty crazy, I’ll give you that. It’s just that the Old Testament God is super vengeful.

Matthew mark luke and john are 100% about a friend betraying Jesus, he carries his own cross is whipped and tortured and hanged to die with nails through his hands while his mother cried at his feat.

Come on ... it’s violent.
Also they talk about killing tax men and adulterers.

I’m really talking about the difference in how God is depicted in the Old Testament vs the New Testament.

True but compared to “the hate u give” more/similar in violence.

Of course God does have his own son murdered even though Jesus goes to a garden and begs his father to find another way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obviously the only book that it is ever necessary for anyone to read is the Bible. No violence, no rape, no genocide...oh, wait.

You've never read the Bible, sweetheart.

+1

NP. I would never want to.

I have and Cain killed his brother, Joseph’s brothers tried to kill him, Abraham raped Hagar.

And all of that is just in the first couple books of the Old Testament!

The Old Testament is way more dramatic than the New Testament, IMO.

Massacre of the Innocents is murder
Cleansing of the Temple is violent
The crucifixion ... Nailing Jesus to a cross, tying others
Stoning
Revelations? War, murder, the collapse of society

Revelations is pretty crazy, I’ll give you that. It’s just that the Old Testament God is super vengeful.

Matthew mark luke and john are 100% about a friend betraying Jesus, he carries his own cross is whipped and tortured and hanged to die with nails through his hands while his mother cried at his feat.

Come on ... it’s violent.
Also they talk about killing tax men and adulterers.

I’m really talking about the difference in how God is depicted in the Old Testament vs the New Testament.

The difference is really overstated imo. In the Old Testament God is consistently described as merciful and the New Testament also shows God's judgment and even anger (Jesus gets angry and he is God). You might see those aspects as inconsistent with each other, but they're in both parts of the Bible, and Marcionism has been considered a heresy for 1800 years for a reason.