Condoms, Drug Dealers, Drunk Fathers – Are these good books for 6th graders?

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Anonymous wrote:These are good books to be included in recommended list for 6th graders. I have not read them but my 6th grader has. He has read literally thousands of books including things like Shakespeare, the Odyssey, Jules Verne, Twain, Tolkien, Dune, etc., as well as all the more contemporary teen or middle grade classics like Riorda,, Lin, His Dark Materials, etc.
He recommends them.

Incidentally, I remember reading Catcher in the Rye as a middle class white girl who was not from the east coast in 9th grade in the 80s. I liked it okay but it felt even less relevant to my life than Jane Austen or Frankenstein. Was he in boarding school? I had no idea those even existed. And his relationship with girls was seriously screwed up. Again, the Jane Austen relationship were more relateable to me! (The guy who might be a jerk or might be a nice guy who just communicates poorly—thats a classic!)


This is such a DCUM post that I can't tell if its real, or perfect satire
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Anonymous wrote:During a recent 6th grade English class, a number of books were recommended for the kids to read including the following titles: Ghost by Jason Reynolds and The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas.

Reviews of the book online mention the following topics and words - a drunk father trying to kill a boy and his mom, a coach with a drug addict father, horny, grinding, use of condoms, gang shootings, drug dealers, lots of curse words, over 90 F*** and Sh**, Bit**, F*** THE POLICE

Are there any child psychologist reading this? Are these books appropriate for 11- and 12-year old’s?

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/the-hate-u-give

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/ghost-track-book-1


Whatever you say, Stephen Austin. Just pay for private school and be done with it.


Sounds like you have SAAS (Steve Austin Affective Disorder). You should talk to your therapist about this while you continue to discuss your TAD.




Please explain this Stephen Austin reference.


Stone Cold requires no explanation




I thought it was some Texas guy. What does it have to do with middle school book lists?!?
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Anonymous wrote:During a recent 6th grade English class, a number of books were recommended for the kids to read including the following titles: Ghost by Jason Reynolds and The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas.

Reviews of the book online mention the following topics and words - a drunk father trying to kill a boy and his mom, a coach with a drug addict father, horny, grinding, use of condoms, gang shootings, drug dealers, lots of curse words, over 90 F*** and Sh**, Bit**, F*** THE POLICE

Are there any child psychologist reading this? Are these books appropriate for 11- and 12-year old’s?

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/the-hate-u-give

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/ghost-track-book-1


Whatever you say, Stephen Austin. Just pay for private school and be done with it.


Sounds like you have SAAS (Steve Austin Affective Disorder). You should talk to your therapist about this while you continue to discuss your TAD.




Please explain this Stephen Austin reference.


Stone Cold requires no explanation




I thought it was some Texas guy. What does it have to do with middle school book lists?!?


Nothing, just someone being mean. He ran for school board and wasn't a very appropriate candidate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:During a recent 6th grade English class, a number of books were recommended for the kids to read including the following titles: Ghost by Jason Reynolds and The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas.

Reviews of the book online mention the following topics and words - a drunk father trying to kill a boy and his mom, a coach with a drug addict father, horny, grinding, use of condoms, gang shootings, drug dealers, lots of curse words, over 90 F*** and Sh**, Bit**, F*** THE POLICE

Are there any child psychologist reading this? Are these books appropriate for 11- and 12-year old’s?

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/the-hate-u-give

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/ghost-track-book-1

It’s highly inappropriate for twelve year old children.

Thank you for posting, OP.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


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These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


Your child is the outlier nowadays. Most kids turn 12 in the winter/spring of 6th grade. The fall birthday kids are usually turning 12 in the fall. The only reason now aways for kids to be off this age is if they attended K/1 in a school or district with a cutoff after September 1, they red-shirtrd which makes them even older, or they skipped a grade.

In the context of the original topic, who do you think the books are going to be more geared towards; the majority pre-teens/teens or the few kids just turning 11?


MCPS allows early entry. Its really not even a discussion as we are in 6th grade and we have yet to have any books in ES or MS. Either way those are not appropriate for 11 year olds. If parents hold their kids back and kids are 12, they have to deal with the slower curriculum.
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Anonymous wrote:During a recent 6th grade English class, a number of books were recommended for the kids to read including the following titles: Ghost by Jason Reynolds and The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas.

Reviews of the book online mention the following topics and words - a drunk father trying to kill a boy and his mom, a coach with a drug addict father, horny, grinding, use of condoms, gang shootings, drug dealers, lots of curse words, over 90 F*** and Sh**, Bit**, F*** THE POLICE

Are there any child psychologist reading this? Are these books appropriate for 11- and 12-year old’s?

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/the-hate-u-give

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/book-reviews/ghost-track-book-1


Whatever you say, Stephen Austin. Just pay for private school and be done with it.


Sounds like you have SAAS (Steve Austin Affective Disorder). You should talk to your therapist about this while you continue to discuss your TAD.




Please explain this Stephen Austin reference.


Stone Cold requires no explanation




I thought it was some Texas guy. What does it have to do with middle school book lists?!?


Nothing, just someone being mean. He ran for school board and wasn't a very appropriate candidate.




Thank you for clearing that up!
Anonymous
I posted earlier that I've read both of those books. I am a children's librarian. Commonsense Media is a useful site for parents, but it does tend to have a conservative slant. DH and I use it a lot when looking up movies, because we tend to be pretty careful about movie violence.

If you want to see other perspectives, Barnes & Noble includes editorial reviews on their website from a host of reputable review publications - things like School Library Journal, Kirkus, Booklist, and Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books. All of those are generally more liberal than Commonsense Media, although School Library Journal tends to be the most conservative of the professional review sites. I use B&N a fair amount professionally just because it's free and easily accessible.

Ghost has multiple starred reviews and is generally reviewed for ages 10-14 / grades 5-9

The Hate u Give also has multiple starred reviews. It is typically recommended for grade 8 and up, or ages 14 and up.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


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These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


No, your kid is just a different case. They likely have a late birthday, but most children don’t. The cutoff to start K here is generally age 5 by 9/1.


As an aside, having a child that is a full year (or nearly a year) younger than their peers means they may be exposed to literature that’s not quite right for their chronological age. While I think The Hate U Give isn’t appropriate for 6th graders, there will still likely be other books that will probably have you clutching your pearls, so go ahead and buckle up.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


+1


These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


No, your kid is just a different case. They likely have a late birthday, but most children don’t. The cutoff to start K here is generally age 5 by 9/1.


As an aside, having a child that is a full year (or nearly a year) younger than their peers means they may be exposed to literature that’s not quite right for their chronological age. While I think The Hate U Give isn’t appropriate for 6th graders, there will still likely be other books that will probably have you clutching your pearls, so go ahead and buckle up.


No, I don't. You can test in through 10/15 so there will be kids who start earlier.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


+1


These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


No, your kid is just a different case. They likely have a late birthday, but most children don’t. The cutoff to start K here is generally age 5 by 9/1.


As an aside, having a child that is a full year (or nearly a year) younger than their peers means they may be exposed to literature that’s not quite right for their chronological age. While I think The Hate U Give isn’t appropriate for 6th graders, there will still likely be other books that will probably have you clutching your pearls, so go ahead and buckle up.


No, I don't. You can test in through 10/15 so there will be kids who start earlier.


You might I don’t want to do that if you think they’re gonna be too emotionally immature for middle school literature in middle school.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


+1


These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


No, your kid is just a different case. They likely have a late birthday, but most children don’t. The cutoff to start K here is generally age 5 by 9/1.


As an aside, having a child that is a full year (or nearly a year) younger than their peers means they may be exposed to literature that’s not quite right for their chronological age. While I think The Hate U Give isn’t appropriate for 6th graders, there will still likely be other books that will probably have you clutching your pearls, so go ahead and buckle up.


No, I don't. You can test in through 10/15 so there will be kids who start earlier.


You might I don’t want to do that if you think they’re gonna be too emotionally immature for middle school literature in middle school.


No...let them find out...since those us on here don't know any better and per that poster, all of our kids are behind because they aren't/won't be/weren't 10 in middle school.
Anonymous
Not appropriate. Thanks for the heads up.
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Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


+1


These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


No, your kid is just a different case. They likely have a late birthday, but most children don’t. The cutoff to start K here is generally age 5 by 9/1.


As an aside, having a child that is a full year (or nearly a year) younger than their peers means they may be exposed to literature that’s not quite right for their chronological age. While I think The Hate U Give isn’t appropriate for 6th graders, there will still likely be other books that will probably have you clutching your pearls, so go ahead and buckle up.


No, I don't. You can test in through 10/15 so there will be kids who start earlier.


You might I don’t want to do that if you think they’re gonna be too emotionally immature for middle school literature in middle school.


Mine isn't immature and we talk about it all but I don't think its appropriate for literature. High school, fine but not for 6th grade. But, its really a non-issue as we haven't seen an actual book in all our years in MCPS.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


+1


These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


No, your kid is just a different case. They likely have a late birthday, but most children don’t. The cutoff to start K here is generally age 5 by 9/1.


As an aside, having a child that is a full year (or nearly a year) younger than their peers means they may be exposed to literature that’s not quite right for their chronological age. While I think The Hate U Give isn’t appropriate for 6th graders, there will still likely be other books that will probably have you clutching your pearls, so go ahead and buckle up.


No, I don't. You can test in through 10/15 so there will be kids who start earlier.


You might I don’t want to do that if you think they’re gonna be too emotionally immature for middle school literature in middle school.


Mine isn't immature and we talk about it all but I don't think its appropriate for literature. High school, fine but not for 6th grade. But, its really a non-issue as we haven't seen an actual book in all our years in MCPS.


That's unfortunate. My fifth-grader's class is on their fifth novel for the school year. Some were e-books, and some were actual novels that they had us pick up on supply pick-up days.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh and they're hooking up (s*x and bjs) at Bethesda ES.


10 and 11 year olds are having sex. Sure.


So they can read about it just not do it. Makes perfect sense.


+1


These books aren’t being assigned to 10 year olds, you dolt.


Some kids are 10 in 6th grade and turn 11 that fall. The discussion is about 6th graders. If you 11 year old is in 5th, something is seriously wrong.


You all just make anything up and post it here, don’t you? 😂😂

Most 5th graders turn 11 during that particular school year. This means...

-they were 9-10 in 4th grade
-they were 8-9 in 3rd grade
-they were 7-8 in 2nd grade
-they were 6-7 in 1st grade
-they were 5-6 in Kindergarten.


Your math is off. My child was 10 starting 6th grade. Turned 11 that fall.


Your child is the outlier nowadays. Most kids turn 12 in the winter/spring of 6th grade. The fall birthday kids are usually turning 12 in the fall. The only reason now aways for kids to be off this age is if they attended K/1 in a school or district with a cutoff after September 1, they red-shirtrd which makes them even older, or they skipped a grade.

In the context of the original topic, who do you think the books are going to be more geared towards; the majority pre-teens/teens or the few kids just turning 11?


This argument is so dumb. I think it's just one poster who has the kid who is 10 in 6th who is so bad at math. I have a child who was 10 starting in 6th and turned 11 in the fall, and my child was an outlier given the MCPS K entry requirements. We moved from Virginia.
FWIW, my child has read all the books OP mentioned on their own.
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