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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

Amen. Someone has gone round the bend and actually needs to be granted a mental health LOA. Seriously OP. Get help before you return to school. You are. It ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The teachers job is to teach. They have been. Their job is NOT to figure out a pandemic, open or close schools, plan for how schools and district operate. They have been teaching. Is the format in which they’ve had to do it ideal, no. Pandemic life in general hasn’t been. That does not mean they have failed in what their job is.

Yes! Agree!

Hey parents, here's a teacher you might want "doxed" too, huh? Any teacher who disagrees about returning is a lunatic, crazy, needs to leave?
You may get your wish. Ha! What will you do then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers could have been national heroes. "Getting kids back into the classrooms is the most important thing. Parents are great, but nothing can replace in-person instruction from qualified and trained educators. That's why we're doing everything we can to get back to in-person instruction at the start of the 2020-2021 school year. We can do this safely for everyone. We will make this happen."

National heroes. You'd have a lot less resistance getting those billions for teacher's salaries had you actually put the kids first.

Whoever has been advising the Association/Federation on PR and policy should be fired.

Back in July, I wasn't going to be a national hero at the risk of my health and my family's health. I do agree that things are different now. But 6 months ago, no.

What's different now? Why are you willing to risk your life now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

I haven't used the fire department over the last 20 years of living here. Where is my refund?

And I only drive on 10% of the roads. Where is my refund for the other 90%

But at least some people are benefiting from fire department services and some people are using those roads. They are available to you if you need them. Schools have been providing only a portion of their services and some kids can’t access them at all.

Education is available to you if you want it. You may not like it, but it is available to you.

DP. So your argument is basically that the quality of education is irrelevant as long as something is thrown at the masses? I think you're legally correct, but it is eye opening to hear teachers actually loudly and proudly express this. My kids will be fine because I can afford tutors who actually care whether my kids learn because they take pride in keeping their reputations intact. I feel sorry for poor kids whose parents are being told they are bad parents if they can't fill
in the gaps from the subpar education FCPS teachers are currently providing to students. SMH.

That person did not say anything about being a teacher. Why do all of you assume if someone doesn’t agree with you they have to be a teacher?

Because she’s angry and wants a target. I swear being a teacher sometimes feels like being in an abusive relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinate teachers.

Just, literally, SHUT UP and vaccinate the teachers and then your kids will be out of your hair and your daycare needs will be met, because, let's face it, that's what this is about.

Stop using dumb isolated incidents, your level of comfort, and dumb-brained whataboutisms to support something that everyone understands, even YOU, that is very risky right now. Teachers are not going to be sacrificed for your comfort and job concerns. They are already working harder than most.

But, in the end, the sizeable CHASM caused by the endless complaining by parents and vitriol about everything summarily dumped in the teachers' laps has already irreversibly damaged the school- home connection, any trust whatsoever, and the future of this profession.

No, I am not currently teaching, so I have no horse in this game. I have been retired for 5 years. I am in contact with many families and their children, and I have also raised children. The parents, generally, are wrong here and the help required, financial and otherwise, needed to come from the Federal government. I am so glad for the parents who do understand, and there are many of them, thank goodness.

Teachers are not the answer to your parenting and financial issues. The worst part is using suicide as examples. As teachers, all of us can sadly illuminate incidence of child suicide having nothing to do with a pandemic.

Public schooling will never be the same after this. No union can save it now. But, go ahead and sue...waste your time and money.

You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

You think teachers and schools are more responsible for a child’s mental health than that child’s parents? Talk about neglecting parental responsibilities.

The subject of this forum is “legal action” against FCPS for those who hold the schools and teachers responsible for whatever they think their children should be getting and are not getting. Apparently, that is a range of services beyond just a “free education” if the children’s lives depend on school being in session and in person.

I am sorry confronting your own parental deficiencies is so difficult for you. Learn how to do it, though, if you really want to help your kids.

Actually, you’re right. And, it has been For 9 months, I was nice. I had Grace. I tried to see the other persons point of view. I told myself it was hard all around in a pandemic. And I told my kid to do the same. And I waited for other people— teachers, the SB, Brabrand, to develop a coherent plant to get kids fully back and start prioritizing their needs. That was a parenting deficiency. And when Kim started on until my kid is vaxxed— probably spring of 2022– it hit me, I could have Grace for another year and let the damage keep mounting. And we still would be DL or concurrent.

My kid has no vote and no real voice. And no one in FCPS going to voluntarily do what’s in her best interest. And why should I expect the SB to fight for my kid if I won’t? I don’t want to be this angry. And I don’t want to fight the teachers I once thought were my allies. But I will. Because my willingness to sit back and trust FCPS hurt my child.

So, I’m done having Grace. And I’m done being nice, and I’m going to do my job as parent and fight for her educational needs.

And yes, I’m angry at myself for being so passive and trusting to my kids detriment.

What, exactly, do you think FCPS gives your child that you cannot give yourself? I think you are expecting more than an education, here. You are your child’s first teacher and primary caregiver. Rather than fighting the system, start spending quality time with your child. She needs you, not the version of you that is off jousting windmills.

DP. Why have public schools if you think there is nothing FCPS can give students that parents can't? Are parents expected to be their kids' first physics, calculus, biology, trigonometry...teacher? Do you think spending quality time with kids will help with those classes if the parent has no professional background in those subjects? Do you think parents should have to take college courses in all high school subjects so they can be their kids' first teacher in every subject? What exactly is the teacher's job then?

No, i phrased that badly. I was speaking of the emotional well being of the child and the child’s need to learn emotional coping and adaptive skills. I think it’s unfair to blame teachers for mental health issues in children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

I know! That’s what I don’t understand and why this reminds me so much of an abusive relationship. If you despise teachers so much, why would you entrust your dear children to them, and want the most precious people in your life to spend so much time with a group of people you’ve verbally spent the last 9 months denigrating? It makes no sense. Well, actually it does, psychoanalytically, but I won’t get into that here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

What lack of education?

Distance learning === lack of education. Not just academically but developmentally. If you're a teacher and making this comment, you're delusional and are actively harming children.

If this is true that distance learning equals a lack of education, how are the majority of homeschooled children as successful or more successful than public school children? Truly curious.....and don't tell me that homeschooled children have parents at home committed to their education. That is VERY often a lifestyle choice, and a societal and cultural choice/value. Sorry....but the lesson to be learned here may be that our society is built on tenuous ground when parents claim that their children will literally DIE without the school system. Perhaps a change needs to be made from the bottom up.

I'm sure this type of concept will receive backlash, but I think it says a lot about our culture and society that we should take seriously. It's a house of cards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers could have been national heroes. "Getting kids back into the classrooms is the most important thing. Parents are great, but nothing can replace in-person instruction from qualified and trained educators. That's why we're doing everything we can to get back to in-person instruction at the start of the 2020-2021 school year. We can do this safely for everyone. We will make this happen."

National heroes. You'd have a lot less resistance getting those billions for teacher's salaries had you actually put the kids first.

Whoever has been advising the Association/Federation on PR and policy should be fired.

Back in July, I wasn't going to be a national hero at the risk of my health and my family's health. I do agree that things are different now. But 6 months ago, no.

What's different now? Why are you willing to risk your life now?

DP. The vaccine is a huge game changer for a lot of us. The school board will never admit it because they want to sell confidence in their mitigation measures, but very few teachers or staff thought any of that was going to keep us safe. I think there are still going to be issues with students getting sick and transmitting it especially at the secondary level, and major problems with staffing because so many people quit before they had a chance to be vaccinated, but at least most staff members don’t live in constant worry of being in the Petri dish once we’re two weeks out. I was also in person in the fall, and I can tell you the difference is palpable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

There's no lunacy here, from what I can see. But- what kind of lunatic parent vilifies teachers up and down, expects them to shoulder all risk, trolls various websites, this forum, etc , and then places their kids in rooms with the very people they've denigrated non stop. That is what lunacy is. You hate these people, but, "Pluueeeze take my kids off my hands!"

If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

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Like really. It's ridiculous. I hate you, you're the worst person in the world, you're the downfall of society... Now take my kid for 8 hours a day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinate teachers.

Just, literally, SHUT UP and vaccinate the teachers and then your kids will be out of your hair and your daycare needs will be met, because, let's face it, that's what this is about.

Stop using dumb isolated incidents, your level of comfort, and dumb-brained whataboutisms to support something that everyone understands, even YOU, that is very risky right now. Teachers are not going to be sacrificed for your comfort and job concerns. They are already working harder than most.

But, in the end, the sizeable CHASM caused by the endless complaining by parents and vitriol about everything summarily dumped in the teachers' laps has already irreversibly damaged the school- home connection, any trust whatsoever, and the future of this profession.

No, I am not currently teaching, so I have no horse in this game. I have been retired for 5 years. I am in contact with many families and their children, and I have also raised children. The parents, generally, are wrong here and the help required, financial and otherwise, needed to come from the Federal government. I am so glad for the parents who do understand, and there are many of them, thank goodness.

Teachers are not the answer to your parenting and financial issues. The worst part is using suicide as examples. As teachers, all of us can sadly illuminate incidence of child suicide having nothing to do with a pandemic.

Public schooling will never be the same after this. No union can save it now. But, go ahead and sue...waste your time and money.

You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

You think teachers and schools are more responsible for a child’s mental health than that child’s parents? Talk about neglecting parental responsibilities.

The subject of this forum is “legal action” against FCPS for those who hold the schools and teachers responsible for whatever they think their children should be getting and are not getting. Apparently, that is a range of services beyond just a “free education” if the children’s lives depend on school being in session and in person.

I am sorry confronting your own parental deficiencies is so difficult for you. Learn how to do it, though, if you really want to help your kids.

Actually, you’re right. And, it has been For 9 months, I was nice. I had Grace. I tried to see the other persons point of view. I told myself it was hard all around in a pandemic. And I told my kid to do the same. And I waited for other people— teachers, the SB, Brabrand, to develop a coherent plant to get kids fully back and start prioritizing their needs. That was a parenting deficiency. And when Kim started on until my kid is vaxxed— probably spring of 2022– it hit me, I could have Grace for another year and let the damage keep mounting. And we still would be DL or concurrent.

My kid has no vote and no real voice. And no one in FCPS going to voluntarily do what’s in her best interest. And why should I expect the SB to fight for my kid if I won’t? I don’t want to be this angry. And I don’t want to fight the teachers I once thought were my allies. But I will. Because my willingness to sit back and trust FCPS hurt my child.

So, I’m done having Grace. And I’m done being nice, and I’m going to do my job as parent and fight for her educational needs.

And yes, I’m angry at myself for being so passive and trusting to my kids detriment.

What, exactly, do you think FCPS gives your child that you cannot give yourself? I think you are expecting more than an education, here. You are your child’s first teacher and primary caregiver. Rather than fighting the system, start spending quality time with your child. She needs you, not the version of you that is off jousting windmills.

DP. Why have public schools if you think there is nothing FCPS can give students that parents can't? Are parents expected to be their kids' first physics, calculus, biology, trigonometry...teacher? Do you think spending quality time with kids will help with those classes if the parent has no professional background in those subjects? Do you think parents should have to take college courses in all high school subjects so they can be their kids' first teacher in every subject? What exactly is the teacher's job then?

We are teaching those subjects. Prior to the pandemic, we used mostly smart boards and document cameras, which are like the videos you get in DL except the print was smaller and image often had poorer contrast and was more blurry. I know that my students in the back of the room were often craning their necks trying to see the board. If you didn't write down everything in time and didn't speak up, your notes were incomplete. If you did speak up, you were effectively holding back the majority which already wrote down everything.

Some teachers group students in tables of four facing each other (which I never understood) and which forces at least half of the students to turn around in their seats to see what the teacher is teaching. Unless you're teaching Honors or AP classes were a good proportion of the students have at least a clue, group work or independent work time basically meant that you had the blind leading the blind and I completely disagree with this practice.

Also, your student might get 5 minutes of individualized attention from me once a week--maybe. Some students--often those who are completely lost--refuse one on one help because they've given up, don't like the subject and just want to be done, figure they'll deal with it later, or don't want to be embarrassed in front of their peers. They don't come for help at other times either. I make my way among the other students who have questions, and can't spend much time on any given student or question since I'm trying to accommodate as many as possible.

Since we didn't put the lessons or videos online, you were more or less on your own trying to catch up if you were absent. Even if you came to study hall to get caught up, I would have another 10 students there seeking help on various things, and couldn't reteach you the lesson.

It's true of course that we can't have real labs. My high schoolers are missing theirs too. We're in a pandemic. They'll live.

My observation has been that students who were well prepared for the classes they signed up for, participate in class, ask questions and do their homework on time are doing really well. Unfortunately, school involves a fair amount of coercion for most students. The more coercion required for a given student, the worse that student is doing in this setting. This is compounded by the fact that we aren't allowed to assign homework more than once week and have to limit the amount we assign, that we can't penalize for lateness, and that we have less instruction time, none of which most of us were on board with, ever. But no one asked us.

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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinate teachers.

Just, literally, SHUT UP and vaccinate the teachers and then your kids will be out of your hair and your daycare needs will be met, because, let's face it, that's what this is about.

Stop using dumb isolated incidents, your level of comfort, and dumb-brained whataboutisms to support something that everyone understands, even YOU, that is very risky right now. Teachers are not going to be sacrificed for your comfort and job concerns. They are already working harder than most.

But, in the end, the sizeable CHASM caused by the endless complaining by parents and vitriol about everything summarily dumped in the teachers' laps has already irreversibly damaged the school- home connection, any trust whatsoever, and the future of this profession.

No, I am not currently teaching, so I have no horse in this game. I have been retired for 5 years. I am in contact with many families and their children, and I have also raised children. The parents, generally, are wrong here and the help required, financial and otherwise, needed to come from the Federal government. I am so glad for the parents who do understand, and there are many of them, thank goodness.

Teachers are not the answer to your parenting and financial issues. The worst part is using suicide as examples. As teachers, all of us can sadly illuminate incidence of child suicide having nothing to do with a pandemic.

Public schooling will never be the same after this. No union can save it now. But, go ahead and sue...waste your time and money.

You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

You think teachers and schools are more responsible for a child’s mental health than that child’s parents? Talk about neglecting parental responsibilities.

The subject of this forum is “legal action” against FCPS for those who hold the schools and teachers responsible for whatever they think their children should be getting and are not getting. Apparently, that is a range of services beyond just a “free education” if the children’s lives depend on school being in session and in person.

I am sorry confronting your own parental deficiencies is so difficult for you. Learn how to do it, though, if you really want to help your kids.

Actually, you’re right. And, it has been For 9 months, I was nice. I had Grace. I tried to see the other persons point of view. I told myself it was hard all around in a pandemic. And I told my kid to do the same. And I waited for other people— teachers, the SB, Brabrand, to develop a coherent plant to get kids fully back and start prioritizing their needs. That was a parenting deficiency. And when Kim started on until my kid is vaxxed— probably spring of 2022– it hit me, I could have Grace for another year and let the damage keep mounting. And we still would be DL or concurrent.

My kid has no vote and no real voice. And no one in FCPS going to voluntarily do what’s in her best interest. And why should I expect the SB to fight for my kid if I won’t? I don’t want to be this angry. And I don’t want to fight the teachers I once thought were my allies. But I will. Because my willingness to sit back and trust FCPS hurt my child.

So, I’m done having Grace. And I’m done being nice, and I’m going to do my job as parent and fight for her educational needs.

And yes, I’m angry at myself for being so passive and trusting to my kids detriment.

What, exactly, do you think FCPS gives your child that you cannot give yourself? I think you are expecting more than an education, here. You are your child’s first teacher and primary caregiver. Rather than fighting the system, start spending quality time with your child. She needs you, not the version of you that is off jousting windmills.

I really don't understand this. Maybe I should be embarrassed to admit it, but I am not qualified to teach my child 6th grade math. I don't remember how to do it, and he's not getting it via his virtual learning, despite his small groups and my many discussions with his teacher. I have a very demanding job that I'm doing from home while I'm spot-checking my three childrens' learning, providing IT support, and keeping them mentally happy. My children are really starting to suffer from the lack of in person learning and support, not to mention the social challenges associated with sitting isolated in their bedrooms all day. I am working the hardest I ever have as a parent, and I am failing at everything - as a home educator, as an employee, as a parent. Please don't tell me to "be a better parent" unless you're going to tell me how.

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Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This gets back to the $$ question. I would LOVE to hire help. Really I would. But I don't have the money to do so. Perhaps instead of giving teachers raises, this money should be available for parents to access in grants to hire tutors to make up for the education our children are losing.