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Anonymous wrote:Vaccinate teachers.

Just, literally, SHUT UP and vaccinate the teachers and then your kids will be out of your hair and your daycare needs will be met, because, let's face it, that's what this is about.

Stop using dumb isolated incidents, your level of comfort, and dumb-brained whataboutisms to support something that everyone understands, even YOU, that is very risky right now. Teachers are not going to be sacrificed for your comfort and job concerns. They are already working harder than most.

But, in the end, the sizeable CHASM caused by the endless complaining by parents and vitriol about everything summarily dumped in the teachers' laps has already irreversibly damaged the school- home connection, any trust whatsoever, and the future of this profession.

No, I am not currently teaching, so I have no horse in this game. I have been retired for 5 years. I am in contact with many families and their children, and I have also raised children. The parents, generally, are wrong here and the help required, financial and otherwise, needed to come from the Federal government. I am so glad for the parents who do understand, and there are many of them, thank goodness.

Teachers are not the answer to your parenting and financial issues. The worst part is using suicide as examples. As teachers, all of us can sadly illuminate incidence of child suicide having nothing to do with a pandemic.

Public schooling will never be the same after this. No union can save it now. But, go ahead and sue...waste your time and money.

You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

You think teachers and schools are more responsible for a child’s mental health than that child’s parents? Talk about neglecting parental responsibilities.

The subject of this forum is “legal action” against FCPS for those who hold the schools and teachers responsible for whatever they think their children should be getting and are not getting. Apparently, that is a range of services beyond just a “free education” if the children’s lives depend on school being in session and in person.

I am sorry confronting your own parental deficiencies is so difficult for you. Learn how to do it, though, if you really want to help your kids.

Actually, you’re right. And, it has been For 9 months, I was nice. I had Grace. I tried to see the other persons point of view. I told myself it was hard all around in a pandemic. And I told my kid to do the same. And I waited for other people— teachers, the SB, Brabrand, to develop a coherent plant to get kids fully back and start prioritizing their needs. That was a parenting deficiency. And when Kim started on until my kid is vaxxed— probably spring of 2022– it hit me, I could have Grace for another year and let the damage keep mounting. And we still would be DL or concurrent.

My kid has no vote and no real voice. And no one in FCPS going to voluntarily do what’s in her best interest. And why should I expect the SB to fight for my kid if I won’t? I don’t want to be this angry. And I don’t want to fight the teachers I once thought were my allies. But I will. Because my willingness to sit back and trust FCPS hurt my child.

So, I’m done having Grace. And I’m done being nice, and I’m going to do my job as parent and fight for her educational needs.

And yes, I’m angry at myself for being so passive and trusting to my kids detriment.

Okay. Teachers don’t make these decisions. So please be mad at the higher ups, but teachers have no control of when we return.

They do though. Ask a kid with a vaccinated teacher and a monitor.

I am actually curious how many students have this scenario. At my school, only one classroom teacher has a monitor.

They are hiring over 800 monitors. And on some levels, they cover for multiple teachers (ie, Latin and physics both DL with headphones and a monitor). Plus, they are pulling teachers to be monitors during breaks.

So, more than a few.

The three monitors my school has hired are primarily to cover teachers during lunch time and meetings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vaccinate teachers.

Just, literally, SHUT UP and vaccinate the teachers and then your kids will be out of your hair and your daycare needs will be met, because, let's face it, that's what this is about.

Stop using dumb isolated incidents, your level of comfort, and dumb-brained whataboutisms to support something that everyone understands, even YOU, that is very risky right now. Teachers are not going to be sacrificed for your comfort and job concerns. They are already working harder than most.

But, in the end, the sizeable CHASM caused by the endless complaining by parents and vitriol about everything summarily dumped in the teachers' laps has already irreversibly damaged the school- home connection, any trust whatsoever, and the future of this profession.

No, I am not currently teaching, so I have no horse in this game. I have been retired for 5 years. I am in contact with many families and their children, and I have also raised children. The parents, generally, are wrong here and the help required, financial and otherwise, needed to come from the Federal government. I am so glad for the parents who do understand, and there are many of them, thank goodness.

Teachers are not the answer to your parenting and financial issues. The worst part is using suicide as examples. As teachers, all of us can sadly illuminate incidence of child suicide having nothing to do with a pandemic.

Public schooling will never be the same after this. No union can save it now. But, go ahead and sue...waste your time and money.

You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

You think teachers and schools are more responsible for a child’s mental health than that child’s parents? Talk about neglecting parental responsibilities.

The subject of this forum is “legal action” against FCPS for those who hold the schools and teachers responsible for whatever they think their children should be getting and are not getting. Apparently, that is a range of services beyond just a “free education” if the children’s lives depend on school being in session and in person.

I am sorry confronting your own parental deficiencies is so difficult for you. Learn how to do it, though, if you really want to help your kids.

Actually, you’re right. And, it has been For 9 months, I was nice. I had Grace. I tried to see the other persons point of view. I told myself it was hard all around in a pandemic. And I told my kid to do the same. And I waited for other people— teachers, the SB, Brabrand, to develop a coherent plant to get kids fully back and start prioritizing their needs. That was a parenting deficiency. And when Kim started on until my kid is vaxxed— probably spring of 2022– it hit me, I could have Grace for another year and let the damage keep mounting. And we still would be DL or concurrent.

My kid has no vote and no real voice. And no one in FCPS going to voluntarily do what’s in her best interest. And why should I expect the SB to fight for my kid if I won’t? I don’t want to be this angry. And I don’t want to fight the teachers I once thought were my allies. But I will. Because my willingness to sit back and trust FCPS hurt my child.

So, I’m done having Grace. And I’m done being nice, and I’m going to do my job as parent and fight for her educational needs.

And yes, I’m angry at myself for being so passive and trusting to my kids detriment.

Okay. Teachers don’t make these decisions. So please be mad at the higher ups, but teachers have no control of when we return.

They do though. Ask a kid with a vaccinated teacher and a monitor.

I am actually curious how many students have this scenario. At my school, only one classroom teacher has a monitor.

They are hiring over 800 monitors. And on some levels, they cover for multiple teachers (ie, Latin and physics both DL with headphones and a monitor). Plus, they are pulling teachers to be monitors during breaks.

So, more than a few.

800 to cover all schools k-12? There are what, about 13,000 teachers in FCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just gonna leave this here as to why legal action for FCPS SB and teachers federation is warranted:

Studies that show little or no risk of student to teacher transmission:

North Carolina: https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/ped...1/06/peds.2020-048090.full.pdf

RESULTS: Over 9 weeks, 11 participating school districts had more than 90,000 students and
staff attend school in-person; of these, there were 773 community-acquired SARS-CoV-2
infections documented by molecular testing. Through contact tracing, NC health department staff
determined an additional 32 infections were acquired within schools. No instances of child-toadult transmission of SARS-CoV-2 were reported within schools.
CONCLUSIONS: In the first 9 weeks of in-person instruction in NC schools, we found
extremely limited within-school secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2, as determined by
contact tracing.

Wisconsin: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7004e3.htm

Among 17 rural Wisconsin schools, reported student mask-wearing was high, and the COVID-19 incidence among students and staff members was lower than in the county overall (3,453 versus 5,466 per 100,000). Among 191 cases identified in students and staff members, only seven (3.7%) cases, all among students, were linked to in-school spread. What are the implications for public health practice? With masking requirements and student cohorting, transmission risk within schools appeared low, suggesting that schools might be able to safely open with appropriate mitigation efforts in place.

Sweden: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2026670

Norway: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.26.1.2002011

Michigan and Washington: https://epicedpolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/1.../COVID-and-Schools-Dec2020.pdf

And a meta-analysis: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33437465/

So legal action against which "federation"? The Fairfax County Federation of Teachers? Or do you mean the Fairfax Education Association? Perhaps you are referencing The Association of Fairfax Professional Educators. Are you including the Fairfax Association of Elementary School Principals? HS Principals?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

I haven't used the fire department over the last 20 years of living here. Where is my refund?

And I only drive on 10% of the roads. Where is my refund for the other 90%

But at least some people are benefiting from fire department services and some people are using those roads. They are available to you if you need them. Schools have been providing only a portion of their services and some kids can’t access them at all.

Education is available to you if you want it. You may not like it, but it is available to you.

DP. So your argument is basically that the quality of education is irrelevant as long as something is thrown at the masses? I think you're legally correct, but it is eye opening to hear teachers actually loudly and proudly express this. My kids will be fine because I can afford tutors who actually care whether my kids learn because they take pride in keeping their reputations intact. I feel sorry for poor kids whose parents are being told they are bad parents if they can't fill
in the gaps from the subpar education FCPS teachers are currently providing to students. SMH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be something done for Fairfax County residents to get some tax dollars refunded due to the lack of education provided by FCPS.

I haven't used the fire department over the last 20 years of living here. Where is my refund?

And I only drive on 10% of the roads. Where is my refund for the other 90%

But at least some people are benefiting from fire department services and some people are using those roads. They are available to you if you need them. Schools have been providing only a portion of their services and some kids can’t access them at all.

Education is available to you if you want it. You may not like it, but it is available to you.

DP. So your argument is basically that the quality of education is irrelevant as long as something is thrown at the masses? I think you're legally correct, but it is eye opening to hear teachers actually loudly and proudly express this. My kids will be fine because I can afford tutors who actually care whether my kids learn because they take pride in keeping their reputations intact. I feel sorry for poor kids whose parents are being told they are bad parents if they can't fill
in the gaps from the subpar education FCPS teachers are currently providing to students. SMH.

That person did not say anything about being a teacher. Why do all of you assume if someone doesn’t agree with you they have to be a teacher?

[Anonymous]

Also if your kids needed tutoring to make any progress in DL they probably needed tutoring either way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Vaccinate teachers.

Just, literally, SHUT UP and vaccinate the teachers and then your kids will be out of your hair and your daycare needs will be met, because, let's face it, that's what this is about.

Stop using dumb isolated incidents, your level of comfort, and dumb-brained whataboutisms to support something that everyone understands, even YOU, that is very risky right now. Teachers are not going to be sacrificed for your comfort and job concerns. They are already working harder than most.

But, in the end, the sizeable CHASM caused by the endless complaining by parents and vitriol about everything summarily dumped in the teachers' laps has already irreversibly damaged the school- home connection, any trust whatsoever, and the future of this profession.

No, I am not currently teaching, so I have no horse in this game. I have been retired for 5 years. I am in contact with many families and their children, and I have also raised children. The parents, generally, are wrong here and the help required, financial and otherwise, needed to come from the Federal government. I am so glad for the parents who do understand, and there are many of them, thank goodness.

Teachers are not the answer to your parenting and financial issues. The worst part is using suicide as examples. As teachers, all of us can sadly illuminate incidence of child suicide having nothing to do with a pandemic.

Public schooling will never be the same after this. No union can save it now. But, go ahead and sue...waste your time and money.

You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

You think teachers and schools are more responsible for a child’s mental health than that child’s parents? Talk about neglecting parental responsibilities.

The subject of this forum is “legal action” against FCPS for those who hold the schools and teachers responsible for whatever they think their children should be getting and are not getting. Apparently, that is a range of services beyond just a “free education” if the children’s lives depend on school being in session and in person.

I am sorry confronting your own parental deficiencies is so difficult for you. Learn how to do it, though, if you really want to help your kids.

Actually, you’re right. And, it has been For 9 months, I was nice. I had Grace. I tried to see the other persons point of view. I told myself it was hard all around in a pandemic. And I told my kid to do the same. And I waited for other people— teachers, the SB, Brabrand, to develop a coherent plant to get kids fully back and start prioritizing their needs. That was a parenting deficiency. And when Kim started on until my kid is vaxxed— probably spring of 2022– it hit me, I could have Grace for another year and let the damage keep mounting. And we still would be DL or concurrent.

My kid has no vote and no real voice. And no one in FCPS going to voluntarily do what’s in her best interest. And why should I expect the SB to fight for my kid if I won’t? I don’t want to be this angry. And I don’t want to fight the teachers I once thought were my allies. But I will. Because my willingness to sit back and trust FCPS hurt my child.

So, I’m done having Grace. And I’m done being nice, and I’m going to do my job as parent and fight for her educational needs.

And yes, I’m angry at myself for being so passive and trusting to my kids detriment.

What, exactly, do you think FCPS gives your child that you cannot give yourself? I think you are expecting more than an education, here. You are your child’s first teacher and primary caregiver. Rather than fighting the system, start spending quality time with your child. She needs you, not the version of you that is off jousting windmills.

DP. Why have public schools if you think there is nothing FCPS can give students that parents can't? Are parents expected to be their kids' first physics, calculus, biology, trigonometry...teacher? Do you think spending quality time with kids will help with those classes if the parent has no professional background in those subjects? Do you think parents should have to take college courses in all high school subjects so they can be their kids' first teacher in every subject? What exactly is the teacher's job then?

[Anonymous]

The teachers job is to teach. They have been. Their job is NOT to figure out a pandemic, open or close schools, plan for how schools and district operate. They have been teaching. Is the format in which they’ve had to do it ideal, no. Pandemic life in general hasn’t been. That does not mean they have failed in what their job is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also if your kids needed tutoring to make any progress in DL they probably needed tutoring either way.

I've never gotten a tutor before. I am now because I see that what my younger kid is being taught is subpar to what my older kid was taught in the same classes. Being able to "make progress" in a barebones class doesn't mean you have been given a good foundation in the subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The teachers job is to teach. They have been. Their job is NOT to figure out a pandemic, open or close schools, plan for how schools and district operate. They have been teaching. Is the format in which they’ve had to do it ideal, no. Pandemic life in general hasn’t been. That does not mean they have failed in what their job is.

They have failed as far as the caliber of teaching that's being provided. In my profession that would be failing to do my job, but apparently not so with teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The teachers job is to teach. They have been. Their job is NOT to figure out a pandemic, open or close schools, plan for how schools and district operate. They have been teaching. Is the format in which they’ve had to do it ideal, no. Pandemic life in general hasn’t been. That does not mean they have failed in what their job is.

They have failed as far as the caliber of teaching that's being provided. In my profession that would be failing to do my job, but apparently not so with teachers.

You are ridiculous. You have no idea what is happening in every teachers room and every class in this country. You might feel your child’s teacher hasn’t done a good job and that would still be a subjective opinion with a limited pool of evidence. Histrionics like this are just silly. You have no legitimate basis to say that every student has been failed by every teacher. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are 1000% wrong. Money doesn't make teachers safer. In-person learning will not "sacrifice" teachers' lives. Asking for in-person learning is not for my "comfort". There is plenty of disdain and vitriol from teachers. Expecting a safe return to schools is not a reflection of "parenting issues". It is in the best interest of a child's dedication. Child suicides are a direct result of forced virtual learning. Teachers and the entire system are complicit and are to blame.

I am 100 % correct. The money I am referring to is stimulus and recompense for added burdens, lost jobs, lost business, lost time, lost pay.

Yes, putting teachers in school does indeed threaten their lives. What bubble do you live in that informed you regarding teacher illness and death? Check out Iowa.


Yes, it is for YOUR COMFORT, because you clearly are unable to manage this crisis. There are many, many workarounds. You will not have plan A in a pandemic, maybe not even B. Understand that things absolutely cannot be what you want. Things will not be the way they were.

Child suicides are absolutely not from not being in school. I am sure that many a mental health crisis has occured as a result of this pandemic, and the reasons are multiple, but the crisis is independent of your narrow focus. A parent may say a kid was depressed in not seeing his friends, but there will be no mention of the parent depression of managing kids, work, illness, and lost pay as contributions. Not to mention a parent *who cannot adapt to change.* A teacher should not have to sacrifice his or her life as a remedy for a real situational crisis that will affect everyone. The teacher also likely has a job and kids.


You have zero knowledge of any personal circumstance yet choose to politicize SUICIDE, yeah-even suicide, to make your point- which is disturbing and despicable. What the hell did you attribute child suicide to before virtual learning? Mental health issues have always been pervasive in children's lives. Ironically, some of them stemmed from incidents in school. Yet, why not stretch this for your own benefit? I see that while you point out suicide as a result of virtual learning, you don't even consider the definite possibility of death from COVID in the return from face to face learning. So, you don't get to decide why people die as well as who dies. In a pandemic, thousands upon thousands will die. We have only some control there.

Vitriol against parents from teachers? Yes, of course.
You have just illuminated the "why" here. You are an example of the absolute worst.
Here's my suggestion. Get some help...mental and physical. Find a pod to work with. Get some assistance with your children. Help others if you have resources.

I certainly hope the return to the building will not happen. But since it appears to be likely, get ready for virtual learning by April again.

You can choose to be a help in this world, or you can choose to be a hinderance.

This is a wild but telling rant.

This lunatic needs to be doxed and not allowed to re-enter a classroom..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The teachers job is to teach. They have been. Their job is NOT to figure out a pandemic, open or close schools, plan for how schools and district operate. They have been teaching. Is the format in which they’ve had to do it ideal, no. Pandemic life in general hasn’t been. That does not mean they have failed in what their job is.

They have failed as far as the caliber of teaching that's being provided. In my profession that would be failing to do my job, but apparently not so with teachers.

In terms of legal action, how would the caliber be measured, particuLarry across such a large scale of FCPS employees and students?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers could have been national heroes. "Getting kids back into the classrooms is the most important thing. Parents are great, but nothing can replace in-person instruction from qualified and trained educators. That's why we're doing everything we can to get back to in-person instruction at the start of the 2020-2021 school year. We can do this safely for everyone. We will make this happen."

National heroes. You'd have a lot less resistance getting those billions for teacher's salaries had you actually put the kids first.

Whoever has been advising the Association/Federation on PR and policy should be fired.

Back in July, I wasn't going to be a national hero at the risk of my health and my family's health. I do agree that things are different now. But 6 months ago, no.

And you are the very first teacher I have heard say that. So thank you. I understood the anxiety in July. We were all anxious. No one knew. It is different now with more data and vaccinated teachers. But the you hate your kid, DL is a good education, you just want to kill teachers rhetoric does not feel like it’s slowed. If anything, it seems like teachers are hardening.

I’m a NP and feel like the other poster. I’m also a parent with kids in FCPS. I want them back in school. We all do. But I didn’t want to return last summer. I don’t have any issues returning now. I don’t post on social media or anything like that, but yes, I’m hardening in my conversations to DH. I have been reading hateful posts directed at teachers for a year now. I used to think I would do this for 30 years and now I’m undecided how long I want to stay. I’m hoping I feel better when I’m back in the classroom with students but for now, I’m regretting this profession. I’m not part of any association and sick of the teacher union hate. There are not any unions. Teachers don’t have a say in most decisions. And to the other poster, I never wanted to be looked at as a hero. I want to be treated as a professional and I want people to let me do my job. That goes for administration and parents.