Any updates on Mclean/Langley possible redistricting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

Race is not the issue here. Both Langley and McLean are FAR from being “lily white” (is that still a term that people use?). The wealth is there though. Extremely low farm rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

Race is not the issue here. Both Langley and McLean are FAR from being “lily white” (is that still a term that people use?). The wealth is there though. Extremely low farm rates.

Langley and McLean parents know our schools aren't "lily white" but Omeish agreed with that characterization, and that people only pupil place into these schools to get away from kids who aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

Race is not the issue here. Both Langley and McLean are FAR from being “lily white” (is that still a term that people use?). The wealth is there though. Extremely low farm rates.

Langley and McLean parents know our schools aren't "lily white" but Omeish agreed with that characterization, and that people only pupil place into these schools to get away from kids who aren't.

I think you are referring to the cranky old guy from Reston who used the phrase “lily white” to describe Langley in an interview with Omeish before the election. She kind of went along with him, but I’m not sure she was agreeing with him so much as humoring him.

I think she could be an ally, at least if she wants to fulfill her pledge to keep students first in her decision-making. Kids don’t want to be crammed into a school, but neither do they want to be forced to change schools.

Not sure about the other at-large members. Rachna was very solicitous of Langley and McLean families before the election but has largely deferred to Elaine since then. KKG can’t be trusted; she’ll do whatever she thinks plays best at the time. And none of it affects her Sully neighborhood, as Madison is getting a big addition and Oakton is getting a huge renovation and expansion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

Race is not the issue here. Both Langley and McLean are FAR from being “lily white” (is that still a term that people use?). The wealth is there though. Extremely low farm rates.

Langley and McLean parents know our schools aren't "lily white" but Omeish agreed with that characterization, and that people only pupil place into these schools to get away from kids who aren't.

I think you are referring to the cranky old guy from Reston who used the phrase “lily white” to describe Langley in an interview with Omeish before the election. She kind of went along with him, but I’m not sure she was agreeing with him so much as humoring him.

I think she could be an ally, at least if she wants to fulfill her pledge to keep students first in her decision-making. Kids don’t want to be crammed into a school, but neither do they want to be forced to change schools.

Not sure about the other at-large members. Rachna was very solicitous of Langley and McLean families before the election but has largely deferred to Elaine since then. KKG can’t be trusted; she’ll do whatever she thinks plays best at the time. And none of it affects her Sully neighborhood, as Madison is getting a big addition and Oakton is getting a huge renovation and expansion.

Some of us think that going along with racially inflammatory language is not okay.

She kicked off her campaign with a speech about how important it is to change the boundaries, and not because there are capacity issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

Race is not the issue here. Both Langley and McLean are FAR from being “lily white” (is that still a term that people use?). The wealth is there though. Extremely low farm rates.

Langley and McLean parents know our schools aren't "lily white" but Omeish agreed with that characterization, and that people only pupil place into these schools to get away from kids who aren't.

I think you are referring to the cranky old guy from Reston who used the phrase “lily white” to describe Langley in an interview with Omeish before the election. She kind of went along with him, but I’m not sure she was agreeing with him so much as humoring him.

I think she could be an ally, at least if she wants to fulfill her pledge to keep students first in her decision-making. Kids don’t want to be crammed into a school, but neither do they want to be forced to change schools.

Not sure about the other at-large members. Rachna was very solicitous of Langley and McLean families before the election but has largely deferred to Elaine since then. KKG can’t be trusted; she’ll do whatever she thinks plays best at the time. And none of it affects her Sully neighborhood, as Madison is getting a big addition and Oakton is getting a huge renovation and expansion.

Some of us think that going along with racially inflammatory language is not okay.

She kicked off her campaign with a speech about how important it is to change the boundaries, and not because there are capacity issues.

As s practical matter, I’m not aware of anything she could support that would lead to greater equity within FCPS than making sure all kids have access to schools with adequate amounts of safe learning space.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When Langley had more kids and South Lakes was under-enrolled, Langley made darn sure it stayed out of that boundary study. But some Langley parents have a hard time accepting that McLean families might want to stay there or ask FCPS to add space there like it has done elsewhere. If FCPS ends up hurting McLean to justify all the seats added at Langley, it won’t bother them one bit.

Really not sure what you’re babbling about. Of course McLean should be expanded. But until they are, they have to do something about the overcrowding there. What would you suggest? More trailers? Sane people with no axe to grind agree that changing the McLean/Langley boundary is a good first step. What do you mean, “hurting McLean”? The obvious immediate solution is to move some kids to the closest school with space - which happens to be Langley. Get over yourself.

You sound like an arrogant ass with no compassion for others. This obviously isn’t going to have the same impact on Langley families as on McLean families.

It’s “arrogant” to say that while waiting for FCPS to get its act together and expand McLean, a great way to alleviate McLean’s overcrowding is to adjust the boundaries and send some neighborhoods to Langley? Ok. You’re right. You guys should just have to suffer with your hideously overcrowded school until FCPS sees fit to build an addition at McLean. Could be awhile, but sure, you just keep up the whining and victim act. Good luck to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McLean is upset about overcrowding.

There will be no addition any time soon, even though one is badly needed.

If McLean families agree to stick it out with a modular and/or more trailers until they get an expansion, that is their choice.

If the community agrees that a boundary change is needed, which it seems to, I think everyone would support a modest adjustment so that the school retains a large population. If the school is at 130% now maybe bring it down to 120 (I'm not looking at the CIP just now and I don't remember the number). Maybe reducing trailers and not eliminating them would be prudent.

Whoever keeps claiming McLean can’t get an addition any time soon hasn’t been paying attention.

In 2017 FCPS decided to build additions at Justice, Madison and West Potomac - none of which were otherwise scheduled to be renovated. They put it on the 2017 and 2019 bonds and construction on this additions will start soon.

They can do the same with McLean starting next year. There is plenty of margin in the budget to accommodate this. In the interim they can replace the bulk of trailers with a modular over the summer.

Sure. They can and should do these things. But will they? Just because you’re insisting doesn’t mean they’re going to. So why do you keep shooting down the idea of sending some kids to Langley? You’re looking mighty unsympathetic, with your insistence that nothing else but an immediate expansion will do. Additionally, you do NOT speak for the entire McLean community. Many would love to send our kids to Langley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McLean is upset about overcrowding.

There will be no addition any time soon, even though one is badly needed.

If McLean families agree to stick it out with a modular and/or more trailers until they get an expansion, that is their choice.

If the community agrees that a boundary change is needed, which it seems to, I think everyone would support a modest adjustment so that the school retains a large population. If the school is at 130% now maybe bring it down to 120 (I'm not looking at the CIP just now and I don't remember the number). Maybe reducing trailers and not eliminating them would be prudent.

Whoever keeps claiming McLean can’t get an addition any time soon hasn’t been paying attention.

In 2017 FCPS decided to build additions at Justice, Madison and West Potomac - none of which were otherwise scheduled to be renovated. They put it on the 2017 and 2019 bonds and construction on this additions will start soon.

They can do the same with McLean starting next year. There is plenty of margin in the budget to accommodate this. In the interim they can replace the bulk of trailers with a modular over the summer.

But the school board would have to take that action, which they have not shown any inclination at this point. And even if they did, It still takes years. It’s not like there will be an addition on in one - two years.

Exactly. It took Langley four long years to complete its renovation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

Race is not the issue here. Both Langley and McLean are FAR from being “lily white” (is that still a term that people use?). The wealth is there though. Extremely low farm rates.

Langley and McLean parents know our schools aren't "lily white" but Omeish agreed with that characterization, and that people only pupil place into these schools to get away from kids who aren't.

I think you are referring to the cranky old guy from Reston who used the phrase “lily white” to describe Langley in an interview with Omeish before the election. She kind of went along with him, but I’m not sure she was agreeing with him so much as humoring him.

I think she could be an ally, at least if she wants to fulfill her pledge to keep students first in her decision-making. Kids don’t want to be crammed into a school, but neither do they want to be forced to change schools.

Not sure about the other at-large members. Rachna was very solicitous of Langley and McLean families before the election but has largely deferred to Elaine since then. KKG can’t be trusted; she’ll do whatever she thinks plays best at the time. And none of it affects her Sully neighborhood, as Madison is getting a big addition and Oakton is getting a huge renovation and expansion.

Let's get our magisterial districts in order. Keyes Gamara is at large and most likely resides in Hunter Mill [Reston and Vienna and Oakton]. Sully and Oakton have had a strong defender in Tholen, Dranesville. Rachna has not focused on the basic spreadsheet that could be done on capacity. Fritsch is not going to be squashed by the Queen Bees from Mount Vernon and Lee. At larges aren't once again doing their elected jobs.

Add up capacity and deduct enrollment. Then see where you need more if contiguous areas can't absorb overflow via boundary changes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Langley’s boundaries are ridiculously large already.

The School Board should think long and hard before expanding them even further, even if Langley covets some McLean neighborhoods to compensate for the parents in its district who won’t send their kids there.

“Covets some McLean neighborhoods”? Uh, Langley is trying to help McLean alleviate its overcrowding. Good thing a$$hats like you don’t speak for McLean as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Let's get our magisterial districts in order. Keyes Gamara is at large and most likely resides in Hunter Mill [Reston and Vienna and Oakton]. Sully and Oakton have had a strong defender in Tholen, Dranesville. Rachna has not focused on the basic spreadsheet that could be done on capacity. Fritsch is not going to be squashed by the Queen Bees from Mount Vernon and Lee. At larges aren't once again doing their elected jobs.

DP. I think you are the one that needs to check out magisterial districts. KKG ran against Wilson for Sully District rep a few years ago and lost. FWIW, a good portion of Oakton is in Sully district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Looks like you voted for the wrong candidates.

[Anonymous]

I’m in one of the neighborhoods possibly slated to move to Langley and hope that we do move. I don’t want my kids going to an over crowded school when there’s a great option nearby. Most of my neighbors feel the same way. Really wish the jerk on here insisting that everyone wants to stay at McLean would shut up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

McLean is not lily white.

Neither is Langley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently the “renovation” of McLean in 2005 cost around $10 million.

Langley’s recent renovation - which including adding seats that were needed more at McLean than at Langley - cost about $80 million.

And now they are budgeting over $35 million to expand West Potomac and $130 million to renovate Falls Church.

Some of that money should be reallocated to McLean. If Tholen and Frisch can’t make that happen, they should be recalled.

Those two can't do it alone. You at least need at-large and Omeish really wants those "lily white" schools broken up. She's unlikely to support any action that doesn't lead to that outcome. Keys Gamarra can probably be counted on to blow with the wind, and Sizemore is probably indifferent.

Race is not the issue here. Both Langley and McLean are FAR from being “lily white” (is that still a term that people use?). The wealth is there though. Extremely low farm rates.

Langley and McLean parents know our schools aren't "lily white" but Omeish agreed with that characterization, and that people only pupil place into these schools to get away from kids who aren't.

And yet, Omeish herself was pupil placed, in order to attend a better school. What a hypocrite.