ED - Carnage at the Big 3

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Anonymous wrote:The game is up. The bill has come due. Unless you were URM, Questbridge, RA or Alumni you weren’t getting in. Exception were perfect test scores and GPA. Ugly ugly year. Think the scandal from last year changed the game. Normal balanced kids aren’t getting in - don’t kid yourself.
Was a horrible year at STA, Sidwell, NCS and GDS.

Sorry, what is URM???? TIA

St Albans is doing great. They got 15 kids out of 80 in early to ivy league schools. Sidwell got in about 18 out of 128 ED so not quite as large a percentage but still not bad at all.

How can you know both schools? (I think Sidwell had more ED acceptances than that)

PP doesn't know, they're just making stuff up.

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Anonymous wrote:The game is up. The bill has come due. Unless you were URM, Questbridge, RA or Alumni you weren’t getting in. Exception were perfect test scores and GPA. Ugly ugly year. Think the scandal from last year changed the game. Normal balanced kids aren’t getting in - don’t kid yourself.
Was a horrible year at STA, Sidwell, NCS and GDS.

Doesn't this pretty much sum up who is getting into the most elite colleges, especially ED/SCEA, regardless of where they went to high school?

URM
Questbridge
Recruited Athlete
Legacy
1600s + 4.0 UW

"Normal balanced" kids are a dime a dozen. And the normal, balanced kids who attend a Big 3 aren't going to be at the top of their class, which makes it even more of a long shot.

Yes, this is why the majority of kids in elite colleges are URMs and Questbridge. No more room for 'normal, balanced kids' which is your way of saying white kids in Trump speak.

Please tell me this is sarcasm. Because the number of first-gen and URMs at top 10 universities and colleges is small https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html

I read it as sarcasm.
I always wonder at people who complain about URMs stealing their kids' spots. If they were right, there would be 100% of URMs at these Ivy league schools.

Agreed, lots of unwarranted vitriol against "URMs."

"Even after decades of affirmative action, black and Hispanic students are more underrepresented at the nation’s top colleges and universities than they were 35 years ago, according to a New York Times analysis.

The share of black freshmen at elite schools is virtually unchanged since 1980. Black students are just 6 percent of freshmen but 15 percent of college-age Americans, as the chart below shows.

More Hispanics are attending elite schools, but the increase has not kept up with the huge growth of young Hispanics in the United States, so the gap between students and the college-age population has widened."

Quoting the share of population means nothing. To determine who should be at elite colleges, you look first at the percentage of those who are “college-ready”, then to those with the statistics that indicate potential for success in a highly competitive environment. Blacks and Hispanics number among that group, but in very low percentages. Hence multiple acceptances for those who meet the bar. This is all well documented. No URM is being persecuted or unfairly excluded from elite schools.

And no white students are being persecuted or unfairly excluded from elite schools either.

IT's like they want all the privilege AND to call themselves the victims.

What are you blathering on about? Honestly, you sound deranged.

NP. She simply applied the same claim you made about URMs to white kids. You sound unhinged, lady.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The game is up. The bill has come due. Unless you were URM, Questbridge, RA or Alumni you weren’t getting in. Exception were perfect test scores and GPA. Ugly ugly year. Think the scandal from last year changed the game. Normal balanced kids aren’t getting in - don’t kid yourself.
Was a horrible year at STA, Sidwell, NCS and GDS.

Sorry, what is URM???? TIA

St Albans is doing great. They got 15 kids out of 80 in early to ivy league schools. Sidwell got in about 18 out of 128 ED so not quite as large a percentage but still not bad at all.

How can you know both schools? (I think Sidwell had more ED acceptances than that)

PP doesn't know, they're just making stuff up.

Actually, no I am not.

[Anonymous]

You might be reporting information you have heard, but it is incomplete at least as it relates to Sidwell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You might be reporting information you have heard, but it is incomplete at least as it relates to Sidwell.

Holton results were great. OP is making shit up.

[Anonymous]

I have children at both STA and Sidwell and PP is spot on on the numbers so far. But one really has to wait for regular decision to see how things finally play out.

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Anonymous wrote:Aw, poor generic privileged white kids.

There isn’t anything generic about these children. You, on the other hand, are as basic as could be.

How are they not generic? What do they bring to the table that others don’t? Good SAT scores? A laundry list of extracurricular? Generic.

Mostly the size of the pool, right?

Within their cohort, they are generic.

Compared to your kids, they are extraordinary.

If the only thing that makes them extraordinary is the size of their parents’ bank account, they are generic.

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Anonymous wrote:Can parents who are really bummed at a rejection from an Ivy or UChicago or MIT help me understand why this is such a big deal? Surely you all work with people from a variety of educational backgrounds who have been super successful, and surely most of you have graduate degrees and have seen that those degrees matter more than your undergrad.

Is there some specific career track or life plan that's spoiled by this setback?

No. Of course not. But these schools are in a position to offer significant financial assistance because of their wealth. For some families, if they can actually get their student in, they could in fact accept the offer. Alternative might be having to decline an offer from an elite but less generous institution due to affordability.

This is a thread about "Big 3" students not getting in. Virtually all Big 3 students are not qualifying for any financial assistance because their families are welathy.

People who have no contact with the Big 3 community love to perpetuate the stereotype that they are full of blonde-haired blue-eyed Biffs and Muffys wearing designer clothes and driving $50k+ cars. Sure, such kids exist there, but they are a small minority. Most of the kids there are indistinguishable from those at a W school or Langley or McLean, and some are even kids with a single parent who is not so well off but getting significant aid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aw, poor generic privileged white kids.

There isn’t anything generic about these children. You, on the other hand, are as basic as could be.

How are they not generic? What do they bring to the table that others don’t? Good SAT scores? A laundry list of extracurricular? Generic.

Mostly the size of the pool, right?

Within their cohort, they are generic.

Compared to your kids, they are extraordinary.

If the only thing that makes them extraordinary is the size of their parents’ bank account, they are generic.

i do often wonder how parents at Whitman scrape by on what they're earning every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have children at both STA and Sidwell and PP is spot on on the numbers so far. But one really has to wait for regular decision to see how things finally play out.

There are more than 18 kids at Sidwell who have received a positive ED letter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can parents who are really bummed at a rejection from an Ivy or UChicago or MIT help me understand why this is such a big deal? Surely you all work with people from a variety of educational backgrounds who have been super successful, and surely most of you have graduate degrees and have seen that those degrees matter more than your undergrad.

Is there some specific career track or life plan that's spoiled by this setback?

No. Of course not. But these schools are in a position to offer significant financial assistance because of their wealth. For some families, if they can actually get their student in, they could in fact accept the offer. Alternative might be having to decline an offer from an elite but less generous institution due to affordability.

This is a thread about "Big 3" students not getting in. Virtually all Big 3 students are not qualifying for any financial assistance because their families are welathy.

People who have no contact with the Big 3 community love to perpetuate the stereotype that they are full of blonde-haired blue-eyed Biffs and Muffys wearing designer clothes and driving $50k+ cars. Sure, such kids exist there, but they are a small minority. Most of the kids there are indistinguishable from those at a W school or Langley or McLean, and some are even kids with a single parent who is not so well off but getting significant aid.

Wait a minute. I thought the students at privates are all so much more fabulous and wonderful. Now you are saying they are just like kids at public schools? Bite your tongue! These kids are the best of the best. Why would they be at their magical schools if they weren’t? How did they get there if they are indistinguishable from the hoi polloi?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have children at both STA and Sidwell and PP is spot on on the numbers so far. But one really has to wait for regular decision to see how things finally play out.

There are more than 18 kids at Sidwell who have received a positive ED letter.

I think PP is Ivy-obsessed and doesn't realize that many Big 3 students purposely choose an SLAC or other other top school over applying to Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can parents who are really bummed at a rejection from an Ivy or UChicago or MIT help me understand why this is such a big deal? Surely you all work with people from a variety of educational backgrounds who have been super successful, and surely most of you have graduate degrees and have seen that those degrees matter more than your undergrad.

Is there some specific career track or life plan that's spoiled by this setback?

No. Of course not. But these schools are in a position to offer significant financial assistance because of their wealth. For some families, if they can actually get their student in, they could in fact accept the offer. Alternative might be having to decline an offer from an elite but less generous institution due to affordability.

This is a thread about "Big 3" students not getting in. Virtually all Big 3 students are not qualifying for any financial assistance because their families are welathy.

People who have no contact with the Big 3 community love to perpetuate the stereotype that they are full of blonde-haired blue-eyed Biffs and Muffys wearing designer clothes and driving $50k+ cars. Sure, such kids exist there, but they are a small minority. Most of the kids there are indistinguishable from those at a W school or Langley or McLean, and some are even kids with a single parent who is not so well off but getting significant aid.

Wait a minute. I thought the students at privates are all so much more fabulous and wonderful. Now you are saying they are just like kids at public schools? Bite your tongue! These kids are the best of the best. Why would they be at their magical schools if they weren’t? How did they get there if they are indistinguishable from the hoi polloi?

Don’t trigger mumsy. Range Rover is in the shop and her Botox appointment was cancelled last week. She has enough problems!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can parents who are really bummed at a rejection from an Ivy or UChicago or MIT help me understand why this is such a big deal? Surely you all work with people from a variety of educational backgrounds who have been super successful, and surely most of you have graduate degrees and have seen that those degrees matter more than your undergrad.

Is there some specific career track or life plan that's spoiled by this setback?

No. Of course not. But these schools are in a position to offer significant financial assistance because of their wealth. For some families, if they can actually get their student in, they could in fact accept the offer. Alternative might be having to decline an offer from an elite but less generous institution due to affordability.

This is a thread about "Big 3" students not getting in. Virtually all Big 3 students are not qualifying for any financial assistance because their families are welathy.

People who have no contact with the Big 3 community love to perpetuate the stereotype that they are full of blonde-haired blue-eyed Biffs and Muffys wearing designer clothes and driving $50k+ cars. Sure, such kids exist there, but they are a small minority. Most of the kids there are indistinguishable from those at a W school or Langley or McLean, and some are even kids with a single parent who is not so well off but getting significant aid.

Wait a minute. I thought the students at privates are all so much more fabulous and wonderful. Now you are saying they are just like kids at public schools? Bite your tongue! These kids are the best of the best. Why would they be at their magical schools if they weren’t? How did they get there if they are indistinguishable from the hoi polloi?

Exactly. Lots of hypocrisy going on here.

[Anonymous]

Good point, you are right. It will all work out in the end for the Big 3 kids.