School bus tickets seem like a scam that scream corruption

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Anonymous wrote:Also how do you appeal? No option on the ticket, of course

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/pay-schoolbus-ticket.html

But even better is avoiding a school bus citation in the first place by stopping for stopped school buses.

That are coming from the opposite direction on a six lane road that you can’t see through a tractor trailer.

Get a grip. If you could stop the company wouldn’t have cooked up this scam to make millions.

That's silly. A tractor trailer is not going to exactly match a bus "and" you to perfectly obstruct your line of vision for any significant distance.

You are supposed to be scanning the road, ahead of you most of all, but all around. We all know that buses are picking up kids in the morning and dropping them in the afternoon. We should all be on alert for them, and for the fact they stop often.

If you are driving watching 3 lanes over in the opposite direction through traffic you just hit the kid crossing in front of you. You clearly don’t drive in rush hour if you don’t know how a tractor trailer can block a bus.

It's not a 6-lane road, traffic in rush hour is moving slowly, and if the tractor trailer is blocking the bus, then it's also blocking the bus camera.

However, you're right, that road is clearly unsafe, and the state should shut it down until they have fixed it.

Clearly you don’t drive. The camera is running the entire time the bus is running. Yes, a truck can block a bus and a car next to the bus can later be videotaped.

What the camera never does is confirm that the bus complied with Maryland law in signaling its pending stop. The bus cameras don’t comply with Maryland law because they are from Texas.

You are spreading misinformation.

There is a circle in the top left corner of your bus ticket violation video. It shows exactly when the yellow lights are activated in relation to the stop and the traffic. It then turns red when the bus activates its red lights and the stop arm on the bus. Therefore, it is very clearly visible to the MULTIPLE video reviewers and the recipient of the ticket whether the school bus operator turned on the yellow lights before turning on the red lights. And if the bus operator did not, then that video never results in a citation.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/visionzero/Resources/Files/2022_MontCo_School_Bus_Monitoring_System_Report.pdf

That’s not the law. Maryland law is that the yellow lights have to be activated 100 FEET before stopping. The Texas bus cameras do not measure distance. Just turning the yellow lights on doesn’t cut it.

The bus camera citations don’t comply with Maryland law and are a scam.

The video shows whether the bus operator complied with the law. I don’t know how to be clearer that that.

Really? Then why don’t you prove it. Where does the citation measure distance?
It doesn’t.
Just turning the light “on” is not a distance. 100 feet is a measure of distance. The camera doesn’t measure distance. MD law is not followed.
Got it?

You are wrong on the law that requires drivers to stop for stopped school buses.

A separate law requires school bus drivers to flip on their yellow lights at least 100 feet before flipping on their red lights. If you want to pursue school bus drivers who don't comply with that separate law, then go for it, I guess? Since there's already a shortage of school bus drivers, it seems like an odd priority, but people do have odd priorities.

LOL it’s not a separate law. It’s the law that applies to what bus drivers must do. You can’t be given a citation if the bus doesn’t give 100 foot warning.

They are literally two separate laws. § 22–228 is about what school bus drivers have to do, with respect to their alternately flashing flights. § 21–706 is about what drivers have to do, when there is a bus with alternately flashing lights. You're just plain wrong on the facts here.

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Anonymous wrote:Also how do you appeal? No option on the ticket, of course

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/pay-schoolbus-ticket.html

But even better is avoiding a school bus citation in the first place by stopping for stopped school buses.

That are coming from the opposite direction on a six lane road that you can’t see through a tractor trailer.

Get a grip. If you could stop the company wouldn’t have cooked up this scam to make millions.

That's silly. A tractor trailer is not going to exactly match a bus "and" you to perfectly obstruct your line of vision for any significant distance.

You are supposed to be scanning the road, ahead of you most of all, but all around. We all know that buses are picking up kids in the morning and dropping them in the afternoon. We should all be on alert for them, and for the fact they stop often.

If you are driving watching 3 lanes over in the opposite direction through traffic you just hit the kid crossing in front of you. You clearly don’t drive in rush hour if you don’t know how a tractor trailer can block a bus.

It's not a 6-lane road, traffic in rush hour is moving slowly, and if the tractor trailer is blocking the bus, then it's also blocking the bus camera.

However, you're right, that road is clearly unsafe, and the state should shut it down until they have fixed it.

Clearly you don’t drive. The camera is running the entire time the bus is running. Yes, a truck can block a bus and a car next to the bus can later be videotaped.

What the camera never does is confirm that the bus complied with Maryland law in signaling its pending stop. The bus cameras don’t comply with Maryland law because they are from Texas.

You are spreading misinformation.

There is a circle in the top left corner of your bus ticket violation video. It shows exactly when the yellow lights are activated in relation to the stop and the traffic. It then turns red when the bus activates its red lights and the stop arm on the bus. Therefore, it is very clearly visible to the MULTIPLE video reviewers and the recipient of the ticket whether the school bus operator turned on the yellow lights before turning on the red lights. And if the bus operator did not, then that video never results in a citation.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/visionzero/Resources/Files/2022_MontCo_School_Bus_Monitoring_System_Report.pdf

That’s not the law. Maryland law is that the yellow lights have to be activated 100 FEET before stopping. The Texas bus cameras do not measure distance. Just turning the yellow lights on doesn’t cut it.

The bus camera citations don’t comply with Maryland law and are a scam.

The video shows whether the bus operator complied with the law. I don’t know how to be clearer that that.

Really? Then why don’t you prove it. Where does the citation measure distance?
It doesn’t.
Just turning the light “on” is not a distance. 100 feet is a measure of distance. The camera doesn’t measure distance. MD law is not followed.
Got it?

You are wrong on the law that requires drivers to stop for stopped school buses.

A separate law requires school bus drivers to flip on their yellow lights at least 100 feet before flipping on their red lights. If you want to pursue school bus drivers who don't comply with that separate law, then go for it, I guess? Since there's already a shortage of school bus drivers, it seems like an odd priority, but people do have odd priorities.

LOL it’s not a separate law. It’s the law that applies to what bus drivers must do. You can’t be given a citation if the bus doesn’t give 100 foot warning.

They are literally two separate laws. § 22–228 is about what school bus drivers have to do, with respect to their alternately flashing flights. § 21–706 is about what drivers have to do, when there is a bus with alternately flashing lights. You're just plain wrong on the facts here.

You don’t know how laws work. Go ask your council member. They will explain it to you like they have already told everyone else who communicates with them on these citations.

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Anonymous wrote:Also how do you appeal? No option on the ticket, of course

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/pay-schoolbus-ticket.html

But even better is avoiding a school bus citation in the first place by stopping for stopped school buses.

That are coming from the opposite direction on a six lane road that you can’t see through a tractor trailer.

Get a grip. If you could stop the company wouldn’t have cooked up this scam to make millions.

That's silly. A tractor trailer is not going to exactly match a bus "and" you to perfectly obstruct your line of vision for any significant distance.

You are supposed to be scanning the road, ahead of you most of all, but all around. We all know that buses are picking up kids in the morning and dropping them in the afternoon. We should all be on alert for them, and for the fact they stop often.

If you are driving watching 3 lanes over in the opposite direction through traffic you just hit the kid crossing in front of you. You clearly don’t drive in rush hour if you don’t know how a tractor trailer can block a bus.

It's not a 6-lane road, traffic in rush hour is moving slowly, and if the tractor trailer is blocking the bus, then it's also blocking the bus camera.

However, you're right, that road is clearly unsafe, and the state should shut it down until they have fixed it.

Clearly you don’t drive. The camera is running the entire time the bus is running. Yes, a truck can block a bus and a car next to the bus can later be videotaped.

What the camera never does is confirm that the bus complied with Maryland law in signaling its pending stop. The bus cameras don’t comply with Maryland law because they are from Texas.

You are spreading misinformation.

There is a circle in the top left corner of your bus ticket violation video. It shows exactly when the yellow lights are activated in relation to the stop and the traffic. It then turns red when the bus activates its red lights and the stop arm on the bus. Therefore, it is very clearly visible to the MULTIPLE video reviewers and the recipient of the ticket whether the school bus operator turned on the yellow lights before turning on the red lights. And if the bus operator did not, then that video never results in a citation.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/visionzero/Resources/Files/2022_MontCo_School_Bus_Monitoring_System_Report.pdf

That’s not the law. Maryland law is that the yellow lights have to be activated 100 FEET before stopping. The Texas bus cameras do not measure distance. Just turning the yellow lights on doesn’t cut it.

The bus camera citations don’t comply with Maryland law and are a scam.

The video shows whether the bus operator complied with the law. I don’t know how to be clearer that that.

Really? Then why don’t you prove it. Where does the citation measure distance?
It doesn’t.
Just turning the light “on” is not a distance. 100 feet is a measure of distance. The camera doesn’t measure distance. MD law is not followed.
Got it?

You are wrong on the law that requires drivers to stop for stopped school buses.

A separate law requires school bus drivers to flip on their yellow lights at least 100 feet before flipping on their red lights. If you want to pursue school bus drivers who don't comply with that separate law, then go for it, I guess? Since there's already a shortage of school bus drivers, it seems like an odd priority, but people do have odd priorities.

LOL it’s not a separate law. It’s the law that applies to what bus drivers must do. You can’t be given a citation if the bus doesn’t give 100 foot warning.

They are literally two separate laws. § 22–228 is about what school bus drivers have to do, with respect to their alternately flashing flights. § 21–706 is about what drivers have to do, when there is a bus with alternately flashing lights. You're just plain wrong on the facts here.

You don’t know how laws work. Go ask your council member. They will explain it to you like they have already told everyone else who communicates with them on these citations.

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?"

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Anonymous wrote:Also how do you appeal? No option on the ticket, of course

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/pay-schoolbus-ticket.html

But even better is avoiding a school bus citation in the first place by stopping for stopped school buses.

That are coming from the opposite direction on a six lane road that you can’t see through a tractor trailer.

Get a grip. If you could stop the company wouldn’t have cooked up this scam to make millions.

That's silly. A tractor trailer is not going to exactly match a bus "and" you to perfectly obstruct your line of vision for any significant distance.

You are supposed to be scanning the road, ahead of you most of all, but all around. We all know that buses are picking up kids in the morning and dropping them in the afternoon. We should all be on alert for them, and for the fact they stop often.

If you are driving watching 3 lanes over in the opposite direction through traffic you just hit the kid crossing in front of you. You clearly don’t drive in rush hour if you don’t know how a tractor trailer can block a bus.

It's not a 6-lane road, traffic in rush hour is moving slowly, and if the tractor trailer is blocking the bus, then it's also blocking the bus camera.

However, you're right, that road is clearly unsafe, and the state should shut it down until they have fixed it.

Clearly you don’t drive. The camera is running the entire time the bus is running. Yes, a truck can block a bus and a car next to the bus can later be videotaped.

What the camera never does is confirm that the bus complied with Maryland law in signaling its pending stop. The bus cameras don’t comply with Maryland law because they are from Texas.

You are spreading misinformation.

There is a circle in the top left corner of your bus ticket violation video. It shows exactly when the yellow lights are activated in relation to the stop and the traffic. It then turns red when the bus activates its red lights and the stop arm on the bus. Therefore, it is very clearly visible to the MULTIPLE video reviewers and the recipient of the ticket whether the school bus operator turned on the yellow lights before turning on the red lights. And if the bus operator did not, then that video never results in a citation.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/visionzero/Resources/Files/2022_MontCo_School_Bus_Monitoring_System_Report.pdf

That’s not the law. Maryland law is that the yellow lights have to be activated 100 FEET before stopping. The Texas bus cameras do not measure distance. Just turning the yellow lights on doesn’t cut it.

The bus camera citations don’t comply with Maryland law and are a scam.

The video shows whether the bus operator complied with the law. I don’t know how to be clearer that that.

Really? Then why don’t you prove it. Where does the citation measure distance?
It doesn’t.
Just turning the light “on” is not a distance. 100 feet is a measure of distance. The camera doesn’t measure distance. MD law is not followed.
Got it?

You are wrong on the law that requires drivers to stop for stopped school buses.

A separate law requires school bus drivers to flip on their yellow lights at least 100 feet before flipping on their red lights. If you want to pursue school bus drivers who don't comply with that separate law, then go for it, I guess? Since there's already a shortage of school bus drivers, it seems like an odd priority, but people do have odd priorities.

LOL it’s not a separate law. It’s the law that applies to what bus drivers must do. You can’t be given a citation if the bus doesn’t give 100 foot warning.

They are literally two separate laws. § 22–228 is about what school bus drivers have to do, with respect to their alternately flashing flights. § 21–706 is about what drivers have to do, when there is a bus with alternately flashing lights. You're just plain wrong on the facts here.

You don’t know how laws work. Go ask your council member. They will explain it to you like they have already told everyone else who communicates with them on these citations.

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?"

Neither. Citations are given out for violations of laws.

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I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

No. Pay the fine, and stop for stopped school buses in the future.

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If you are a DC resident, probably no need to pay for these tickets or any tickets....

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1119809.page

Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

If it was an actual divided road - one with a curbed median - appeal. If it wasn't, you messed up so pay up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

If it was an actual divided road - one with a curbed median - appeal. If it wasn't, you messed up so pay up.

You can’t mess up if the bus didn’t put on its yellow flashing lights 100 feet in advance. The bus camera company doesn’t track that information. None of these citations comply with Maryland law. The system was not developed for Maryland. It is a Texas system that was shut down when the FBI arrested the president and 6 others for bribes and fraud.
The mcps director of transportation who has been fired set up this deal with one of the bus camera officers now in jail.
The deal is a scam.

Appeal and tell the judge the citation doesn’t track distance and doesn’t establish if bus gave 100 foot warning with yellow flashing lights.

The bus camera company hired a mcps administrator and a Montgomery county police office to keep their in with mcps and the police.
Both violated conflict provisions to take those jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

I live on exactly this kind of road and yes, you still need to stop. Kids have to cross the street to get to/from the buses. Pay the ticket and next time do better.

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Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

If it was an actual divided road - one with a curbed median - appeal. If it wasn't, you messed up so pay up.

You can’t mess up if the bus didn’t put on its yellow flashing lights 100 feet in advance. The bus camera company doesn’t track that information. None of these citations comply with Maryland law. The system was not developed for Maryland. It is a Texas system that was shut down when the FBI arrested the president and 6 others for bribes and fraud.
The mcps director of transportation who has been fired set up this deal with one of the bus camera officers now in jail.
The deal is a scam.

Appeal and tell the judge the citation doesn’t track distance and doesn’t establish if bus gave 100 foot warning with yellow flashing lights.

The bus camera company hired a mcps administrator and a Montgomery county police office to keep their in with mcps and the police.
Both violated conflict provisions to take those jobs.

The law doesn't give the 100' thing as an exception for the car driver. It's a regulation for bus drivers.

https://govt.westlaw.com/mdc/Document/N6CEEE6E0817A11E9A4B1C23A99BDCD11?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)
Vehicles required to stop upon meeting or overtaking school vehicle operating flashing red lights
(a) If a school vehicle has stopped on a roadway and is operating the alternately flashing red lights specified in § 22-228 of this article, the driver of any other vehicle meeting or overtaking the school vehicle shall stop at least 20 feet from the rear of the school vehicle, if approaching the school vehicle from its rear, or at least 20 feet from the front of the school vehicle, if approaching the school vehicle from its front.

Vehicles allowed to proceed when lights deactivated or motion of school vehicle resumed
(b) If a school vehicle has stopped on a roadway and is operating the alternately flashing red lights specified in § 22-228 of this article, the driver of any other vehicle meeting or overtaking the school vehicle may not proceed until the school vehicle resumes motion or the alternately flashing red lights are deactivated.
Vehicles on divided highways
(c) This section does not apply to the driver of a vehicle on a divided highway, if the school vehicle is on a different roadway.
Fines
(d) A person convicted of a violation of this section is subject to a fine not exceeding $1,000.
Credits
Added by Acts 1977, c. 14, § 2, eff. July 1, 1977. Amended by Acts 1982, c. 26; Acts 1986, c. 472, § 1; Acts 1986, c. 474; Acts 1988, c. 199; Acts 1995, c. 496, § 1, eff. Aug. 15, 1995; Acts 1998, c. 360, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 1998; Acts 1999, c. 524, § 1, eff. July 1, 1999; Acts 2000, c. 332, § 1, eff. July 1, 2000; Acts 2004, c. 111, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2004; Acts 2011, c. 273, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2011; Acts 2017, c. 55, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2017; Acts 2017, c. 744, § 1, eff. July 1, 2017; Acts 2019, c. 429, § 1, eff. June 1, 2019.
Formerly Art. 66 ½, § 11-706.

Note it doesn't say "go ahead and pass a stopped bus with red lights flashing because the bus driver didn't put the amber/yellow lights on." But yu can try the judge.

Far better to put your phone away, pay attention, and be prepared to stop any time you see a school bus. If this is too much for you, stick to transit.

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Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

If it was an actual divided road - one with a curbed median - appeal. If it wasn't, you messed up so pay up.

You can’t mess up if the bus didn’t put on its yellow flashing lights 100 feet in advance. The bus camera company doesn’t track that information. None of these citations comply with Maryland law. The system was not developed for Maryland. It is a Texas system that was shut down when the FBI arrested the president and 6 others for bribes and fraud.
The mcps director of transportation who has been fired set up this deal with one of the bus camera officers now in jail.
The deal is a scam.

Appeal and tell the judge the citation doesn’t track distance and doesn’t establish if bus gave 100 foot warning with yellow flashing lights.

The bus camera company hired a mcps administrator and a Montgomery county police office to keep their in with mcps and the police.
Both violated conflict provisions to take those jobs.

The law doesn't give the 100' thing as an exception for the car driver. It's a regulation for bus drivers.

https://govt.westlaw.com/mdc/Document/N6CEEE6E0817A11E9A4B1C23A99BDCD11?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)
Vehicles required to stop upon meeting or overtaking school vehicle operating flashing red lights
(a) If a school vehicle has stopped on a roadway and is operating the alternately flashing red lights specified in § 22-228 of this article, the driver of any other vehicle meeting or overtaking the school vehicle shall stop at least 20 feet from the rear of the school vehicle, if approaching the school vehicle from its rear, or at least 20 feet from the front of the school vehicle, if approaching the school vehicle from its front.

Vehicles allowed to proceed when lights deactivated or motion of school vehicle resumed
(b) If a school vehicle has stopped on a roadway and is operating the alternately flashing red lights specified in § 22-228 of this article, the driver of any other vehicle meeting or overtaking the school vehicle may not proceed until the school vehicle resumes motion or the alternately flashing red lights are deactivated.
Vehicles on divided highways
(c) This section does not apply to the driver of a vehicle on a divided highway, if the school vehicle is on a different roadway.
Fines
(d) A person convicted of a violation of this section is subject to a fine not exceeding $1,000.
Credits
Added by Acts 1977, c. 14, § 2, eff. July 1, 1977. Amended by Acts 1982, c. 26; Acts 1986, c. 472, § 1; Acts 1986, c. 474; Acts 1988, c. 199; Acts 1995, c. 496, § 1, eff. Aug. 15, 1995; Acts 1998, c. 360, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 1998; Acts 1999, c. 524, § 1, eff. July 1, 1999; Acts 2000, c. 332, § 1, eff. July 1, 2000; Acts 2004, c. 111, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2004; Acts 2011, c. 273, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2011; Acts 2017, c. 55, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2017; Acts 2017, c. 744, § 1, eff. July 1, 2017; Acts 2019, c. 429, § 1, eff. June 1, 2019.
Formerly Art. 66 ½, § 11-706.

Note it doesn't say "go ahead and pass a stopped bus with red lights flashing because the bus driver didn't put the amber/yellow lights on." But yu can try the judge.

Far better to put your phone away, pay attention, and be prepared to stop any time you see a school bus. If this is too much for you, stick to transit.

Where dies it say the bus driver can violate the law and scam drivers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

If it was an actual divided road - one with a curbed median - appeal. If it wasn't, you messed up so pay up.

You can’t mess up if the bus didn’t put on its yellow flashing lights 100 feet in advance. The bus camera company doesn’t track that information. None of these citations comply with Maryland law. The system was not developed for Maryland. It is a Texas system that was shut down when the FBI arrested the president and 6 others for bribes and fraud.
The mcps director of transportation who has been fired set up this deal with one of the bus camera officers now in jail.
The deal is a scam.

Appeal and tell the judge the citation doesn’t track distance and doesn’t establish if bus gave 100 foot warning with yellow flashing lights.

The bus camera company hired a mcps administrator and a Montgomery county police office to keep their in with mcps and the police.
Both violated conflict provisions to take those jobs.

There are literally two separate laws. § 22–228 is about what school bus drivers have to do, with respect to their alternately flashing flights. § 21–706 is about what drivers have to do, when there is a bus with alternately flashing lights. You're just plain wrong on the facts here.

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Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

If it was an actual divided road - one with a curbed median - appeal. If it wasn't, you messed up so pay up.

You can’t mess up if the bus didn’t put on its yellow flashing lights 100 feet in advance. The bus camera company doesn’t track that information. None of these citations comply with Maryland law. The system was not developed for Maryland. It is a Texas system that was shut down when the FBI arrested the president and 6 others for bribes and fraud.
The mcps director of transportation who has been fired set up this deal with one of the bus camera officers now in jail.
The deal is a scam.

Appeal and tell the judge the citation doesn’t track distance and doesn’t establish if bus gave 100 foot warning with yellow flashing lights.

The bus camera company hired a mcps administrator and a Montgomery county police office to keep their in with mcps and the police.
Both violated conflict provisions to take those jobs.

There are literally two separate laws. § 22–228 is about what school bus drivers have to do, with respect to their alternately flashing flights. § 21–706 is about what drivers have to do, when there is a bus with alternately flashing lights. You're just plain wrong on the facts here.

Where does it say bus drivers don’t have to obey the law?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I got one of these in the mail this week. What happens if you just ignore the letter and decide just not to pay the fine? And how does the appeal process work? Is there a real risk that you would end up paying more than $250 after a court appearance?

In my case, I was driving on a pretty wide two-lane road that has a lane in the middle where drivers can't go. It's certainly not the type of road where anyone would cross in the middle. The bus was driving on the opposite side from me, and it put out its stop sign a split-second before I passed it.

So my case isn't as sympathetic as the posters who were on a six-lane highway, but the average driver wouldn't have noticed the bus on the opposite side of the road.

It is worth appealing?

Thank you!

If it was an actual divided road - one with a curbed median - appeal. If it wasn't, you messed up so pay up.

You can’t mess up if the bus didn’t put on its yellow flashing lights 100 feet in advance. The bus camera company doesn’t track that information. None of these citations comply with Maryland law. The system was not developed for Maryland. It is a Texas system that was shut down when the FBI arrested the president and 6 others for bribes and fraud.
The mcps director of transportation who has been fired set up this deal with one of the bus camera officers now in jail.
The deal is a scam.

Appeal and tell the judge the citation doesn’t track distance and doesn’t establish if bus gave 100 foot warning with yellow flashing lights.

The bus camera company hired a mcps administrator and a Montgomery county police office to keep their in with mcps and the police.
Both violated conflict provisions to take those jobs.

The law doesn't give the 100' thing as an exception for the car driver. It's a regulation for bus drivers.

https://govt.westlaw.com/mdc/Document/N6CEEE6E0817A11E9A4B1C23A99BDCD11?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)
Vehicles required to stop upon meeting or overtaking school vehicle operating flashing red lights
(a) If a school vehicle has stopped on a roadway and is operating the alternately flashing red lights specified in § 22-228 of this article, the driver of any other vehicle meeting or overtaking the school vehicle shall stop at least 20 feet from the rear of the school vehicle, if approaching the school vehicle from its rear, or at least 20 feet from the front of the school vehicle, if approaching the school vehicle from its front.

Vehicles allowed to proceed when lights deactivated or motion of school vehicle resumed
(b) If a school vehicle has stopped on a roadway and is operating the alternately flashing red lights specified in § 22-228 of this article, the driver of any other vehicle meeting or overtaking the school vehicle may not proceed until the school vehicle resumes motion or the alternately flashing red lights are deactivated.
Vehicles on divided highways
(c) This section does not apply to the driver of a vehicle on a divided highway, if the school vehicle is on a different roadway.
Fines
(d) A person convicted of a violation of this section is subject to a fine not exceeding $1,000.
Credits
Added by Acts 1977, c. 14, § 2, eff. July 1, 1977. Amended by Acts 1982, c. 26; Acts 1986, c. 472, § 1; Acts 1986, c. 474; Acts 1988, c. 199; Acts 1995, c. 496, § 1, eff. Aug. 15, 1995; Acts 1998, c. 360, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 1998; Acts 1999, c. 524, § 1, eff. July 1, 1999; Acts 2000, c. 332, § 1, eff. July 1, 2000; Acts 2004, c. 111, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2004; Acts 2011, c. 273, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2011; Acts 2017, c. 55, § 1, eff. Oct. 1, 2017; Acts 2017, c. 744, § 1, eff. July 1, 2017; Acts 2019, c. 429, § 1, eff. June 1, 2019.
Formerly Art. 66 ½, § 11-706.

Note it doesn't say "go ahead and pass a stopped bus with red lights flashing because the bus driver didn't put the amber/yellow lights on." But yu can try the judge.

Far better to put your phone away, pay attention, and be prepared to stop any time you see a school bus. If this is too much for you, stick to transit.

Where dies it say the bus driver can violate the law and scam drivers?

Seek help. School bus drivers are not trying to scam you.