Question about Woodward High School and Kensington/Garrett Park real estate

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Very interesting. Why is Piney Branch in Takoma Park, which is 31% FARMS, a Title I school, but Viers Mill, which is 61% FARMS, not? There are several other examples of schools with more low income students than Piney Branch also not being Title I schools. Is it because Piney Branch is in Takoma Park and that part of the county is more politically connected? Heck, even Rosemary Hills is 26% FARMS (higher than at least one school on the list) - why isn't it a Focus School? Is it because it's in Chevy Chase?

Piney Branch is not a Title I school.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools.aspx

The Title I schools are Arcola, Bel Pre, Brookhaven, Burnt Mills, Clopper Mill, Cresthaven, Capt. James Daly, Gaithersburg, Georgian Forest, Harmony Hills, Highland, Joann Leleck at Broad Acres, Kemp Mill, New Hampshire Estates, Roscoe Nix, Oak View, Rolling Terrace, Sargent Shriver, South Lake, Strathmore, Summit Hall, Twinbrook, Washington Grove, Watkins Mill, Weller Road, Wheaton Woods, and Whetstone - all elementary schools.

Thanks for clarifying this. I think that a lot of posters assume that Title I designations are tied only to the percentage of FARMS; there are many other factors such as capacity calculations (how many kids and families are using the school now and projections for the near future), needs for special supports, etc. I'm peeved by posters who associate participation in State and Federally funded school resource programs as the kiss of death but who would gladly have the same supports and resources for their school (and frequently do--they just pay out of pocket; don't get me started on the Chevy Chase ES Foundation) so long as those supports don't come with a label. We are talking about families who are seeking the same educational opportunities as you are. Being a person of color, or an immigrant, or multi--lingual is not a crime. It seems that most of the objections to Einstein, Northwood, etc. are simply hate mongering tactics--they're all criminals! they don't act like our nice white kids! And we should avoid the elementary schools because we know they are all criminals from the cradle. I bet that many of the posters screeching about the dangers of families in FARMS schools or at Einstein employ nannies and housecleaners who live in these very neighborhoods and whom they happily leave to supervise their precious children. If these families are good enough to take care of your homes and families, why aren't they good enough to be your neighbors and your children's playmates?

I am sorry for the folks who believe that MoCo schools are going to hell in a handbasket. Best sell your house now and get out before it's too late. Maybe the OP can take it off of your hands.

Oh, and Rosemary Hills is in Silver Spring, not Chevy Chase. I lived down the street from the school for 8 years and sent 4 kids there. It was tiring to listen to the Chevy Chase moms complain about having to send their child to school not in Chevy Chase and moan that their precious darling was attending school with kids who wouldn't be going to Chevy Chase ES. I never had the heart to tell them about school mixing at Westland and B-CC...

True. But note that if Rosemary Hills were not mixed with the Chevy Chase and North Chevy Chase elementary schools, it would be a Focus school and have smaller class sizes. As you say, those extra resources are extremely valuable. Isn’t it worth exploring decoupling Chevy Chase, North Chevy Chase and Rosemary Hills for that reason?

Nope. Rosemary Hills is a primary school, so only has K-2 along with a couple of pre-K classes. Decoupling from CCES and NCC would have the opposite effect--RHPS would need to become RHES--and that would involve a serious redistricting of the entire B-CC cluster at the elementary level.

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Very interesting. Why is Piney Branch in Takoma Park, which is 31% FARMS, a Title I school, but Viers Mill, which is 61% FARMS, not? There are several other examples of schools with more low income students than Piney Branch also not being Title I schools. Is it because Piney Branch is in Takoma Park and that part of the county is more politically connected? Heck, even Rosemary Hills is 26% FARMS (higher than at least one school on the list) - why isn't it a Focus School? Is it because it's in Chevy Chase?

Piney Branch is not a Title I school.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools.aspx

The Title I schools are Arcola, Bel Pre, Brookhaven, Burnt Mills, Clopper Mill, Cresthaven, Capt. James Daly, Gaithersburg, Georgian Forest, Harmony Hills, Highland, Joann Leleck at Broad Acres, Kemp Mill, New Hampshire Estates, Roscoe Nix, Oak View, Rolling Terrace, Sargent Shriver, South Lake, Strathmore, Summit Hall, Twinbrook, Washington Grove, Watkins Mill, Weller Road, Wheaton Woods, and Whetstone - all elementary schools.

Thanks for clarifying this. I think that a lot of posters assume that Title I designations are tied only to the percentage of FARMS; there are many other factors such as capacity calculations (how many kids and families are using the school now and projections for the near future), needs for special supports, etc. I'm peeved by posters who associate participation in State and Federally funded school resource programs as the kiss of death but who would gladly have the same supports and resources for their school (and frequently do--they just pay out of pocket; don't get me started on the Chevy Chase ES Foundation) so long as those supports don't come with a label. We are talking about families who are seeking the same educational opportunities as you are. Being a person of color, or an immigrant, or multi--lingual is not a crime. It seems that most of the objections to Einstein, Northwood, etc. are simply hate mongering tactics--they're all criminals! they don't act like our nice white kids! And we should avoid the elementary schools because we know they are all criminals from the cradle. I bet that many of the posters screeching about the dangers of families in FARMS schools or at Einstein employ nannies and housecleaners who live in these very neighborhoods and whom they happily leave to supervise their precious children. If these families are good enough to take care of your homes and families, why aren't they good enough to be your neighbors and your children's playmates?

I am sorry for the folks who believe that MoCo schools are going to hell in a handbasket. Best sell your house now and get out before it's too late. Maybe the OP can take it off of your hands.

Oh, and Rosemary Hills is in Silver Spring, not Chevy Chase. I lived down the street from the school for 8 years and sent 4 kids there. It was tiring to listen to the Chevy Chase moms complain about having to send their child to school not in Chevy Chase and moan that their precious darling was attending school with kids who wouldn't be going to Chevy Chase ES. I never had the heart to tell them about school mixing at Westland and B-CC...

True. But note that if Rosemary Hills were not mixed with the Chevy Chase and North Chevy Chase elementary schools, it would be a Focus school and have smaller class sizes. As you say, those extra resources are extremely valuable. Isn’t it worth exploring decoupling Chevy Chase, North Chevy Chase and Rosemary Hills for that reason?

Nope. Rosemary Hills is a primary school, so only has K-2 along with a couple of pre-K classes. Decoupling from CCES and NCC would have the opposite effect--RHPS would need to become RHES--and that would involve a serious redistricting of the entire B-CC cluster at the elementary level.

And decoupling the paired schools was explicitly out of scope of the current ES capacity study.

[Anonymous]

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Very interesting. Why is Piney Branch in Takoma Park, which is 31% FARMS, a Title I school, but Viers Mill, which is 61% FARMS, not? There are several other examples of schools with more low income students than Piney Branch also not being Title I schools. Is it because Piney Branch is in Takoma Park and that part of the county is more politically connected? Heck, even Rosemary Hills is 26% FARMS (higher than at least one school on the list) - why isn't it a Focus School? Is it because it's in Chevy Chase?

Piney Branch is not a Title I school.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools.aspx

The Title I schools are Arcola, Bel Pre, Brookhaven, Burnt Mills, Clopper Mill, Cresthaven, Capt. James Daly, Gaithersburg, Georgian Forest, Harmony Hills, Highland, Joann Leleck at Broad Acres, Kemp Mill, New Hampshire Estates, Roscoe Nix, Oak View, Rolling Terrace, Sargent Shriver, South Lake, Strathmore, Summit Hall, Twinbrook, Washington Grove, Watkins Mill, Weller Road, Wheaton Woods, and Whetstone - all elementary schools.

But RHES, as you call it, would have be a Focus school and therefore have smaller class sizes. Isn’t that an enormous benefit?

Thanks for clarifying this. I think that a lot of posters assume that Title I designations are tied only to the percentage of FARMS; there are many other factors such as capacity calculations (how many kids and families are using the school now and projections for the near future), needs for special supports, etc. I'm peeved by posters who associate participation in State and Federally funded school resource programs as the kiss of death but who would gladly have the same supports and resources for their school (and frequently do--they just pay out of pocket; don't get me started on the Chevy Chase ES Foundation) so long as those supports don't come with a label. We are talking about families who are seeking the same educational opportunities as you are. Being a person of color, or an immigrant, or multi--lingual is not a crime. It seems that most of the objections to Einstein, Northwood, etc. are simply hate mongering tactics--they're all criminals! they don't act like our nice white kids! And we should avoid the elementary schools because we know they are all criminals from the cradle. I bet that many of the posters screeching about the dangers of families in FARMS schools or at Einstein employ nannies and housecleaners who live in these very neighborhoods and whom they happily leave to supervise their precious children. If these families are good enough to take care of your homes and families, why aren't they good enough to be your neighbors and your children's playmates?

I am sorry for the folks who believe that MoCo schools are going to hell in a handbasket. Best sell your house now and get out before it's too late. Maybe the OP can take it off of your hands.

Oh, and Rosemary Hills is in Silver Spring, not Chevy Chase. I lived down the street from the school for 8 years and sent 4 kids there. It was tiring to listen to the Chevy Chase moms complain about having to send their child to school not in Chevy Chase and moan that their precious darling was attending school with kids who wouldn't be going to Chevy Chase ES. I never had the heart to tell them about school mixing at Westland and B-CC...

True. But note that if Rosemary Hills were not mixed with the Chevy Chase and North Chevy Chase elementary schools, it would be a Focus school and have smaller class sizes. As you say, those extra resources are extremely valuable. Isn’t it worth exploring decoupling Chevy Chase, North Chevy Chase and Rosemary Hills for that reason?

Nope. Rosemary Hills is a primary school, so only has K-2 along with a couple of pre-K classes. Decoupling from CCES and NCC would have the opposite effect--RHPS would need to become RHES--and that would involve a serious redistricting of the entire B-CC cluster at the elementary level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Very interesting. Why is Piney Branch in Takoma Park, which is 31% FARMS, a Title I school, but Viers Mill, which is 61% FARMS, not? There are several other examples of schools with more low income students than Piney Branch also not being Title I schools. Is it because Piney Branch is in Takoma Park and that part of the county is more politically connected? Heck, even Rosemary Hills is 26% FARMS (higher than at least one school on the list) - why isn't it a Focus School? Is it because it's in Chevy Chase?

Piney Branch is not a Title I school.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools.aspx

The Title I schools are Arcola, Bel Pre, Brookhaven, Burnt Mills, Clopper Mill, Cresthaven, Capt. James Daly, Gaithersburg, Georgian Forest, Harmony Hills, Highland, Joann Leleck at Broad Acres, Kemp Mill, New Hampshire Estates, Roscoe Nix, Oak View, Rolling Terrace, Sargent Shriver, South Lake, Strathmore, Summit Hall, Twinbrook, Washington Grove, Watkins Mill, Weller Road, Wheaton Woods, and Whetstone - all elementary schools.

Thanks for clarifying this. I think that a lot of posters assume that Title I designations are tied only to the percentage of FARMS; there are many other factors such as capacity calculations (how many kids and families are using the school now and projections for the near future), needs for special supports, etc. I'm peeved by posters who associate participation in State and Federally funded school resource programs as the kiss of death but who would gladly have the same supports and resources for their school (and frequently do--they just pay out of pocket; don't get me started on the Chevy Chase ES Foundation) so long as those supports don't come with a label. We are talking about families who are seeking the same educational opportunities as you are. Being a person of color, or an immigrant, or multi--lingual is not a crime. It seems that most of the objections to Einstein, Northwood, etc. are simply hate mongering tactics--they're all criminals! they don't act like our nice white kids! And we should avoid the elementary schools because we know they are all criminals from the cradle. I bet that many of the posters screeching about the dangers of families in FARMS schools or at Einstein employ nannies and housecleaners who live in these very neighborhoods and whom they happily leave to supervise their precious children. If these families are good enough to take care of your homes and families, why aren't they good enough to be your neighbors and your children's playmates?

I am sorry for the folks who believe that MoCo schools are going to hell in a handbasket. Best sell your house now and get out before it's too late. Maybe the OP can take it off of your hands.

Oh, and Rosemary Hills is in Silver Spring, not Chevy Chase. I lived down the street from the school for 8 years and sent 4 kids there. It was tiring to listen to the Chevy Chase moms complain about having to send their child to school not in Chevy Chase and moan that their precious darling was attending school with kids who wouldn't be going to Chevy Chase ES. I never had the heart to tell them about school mixing at Westland and B-CC...

True. But note that if Rosemary Hills were not mixed with the Chevy Chase and North Chevy Chase elementary schools, it would be a Focus school and have smaller class sizes. As you say, those extra resources are extremely valuable. Isn’t it worth exploring decoupling Chevy Chase, North Chevy Chase and Rosemary Hills for that reason?

Nope. Rosemary Hills is a primary school, so only has K-2 along with a couple of pre-K classes. Decoupling from CCES and NCC would have the opposite effect--RHPS would need to become RHES--and that would involve a serious redistricting of the entire B-CC cluster at the elementary level.

But RHES, as you call it, would have be a Focus school and therefore have smaller class sizes. Isn’t that an enormous benefit?

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I always heard RHES was in Chevy Chase Section 8? Is it really in silver spring?

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Anonymous wrote:I always heard RHES was in Chevy Chase Section 8? Is it really in silver spring?

Yes, it’s in Silver Spring. You’re disgusting.

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But RHES, as you call it, would have be a Focus school and therefore have smaller class sizes. Isn’t that an enormous benefit?

If RHES were a Focus school, then it would be a high-poverty school. Do you think that 18 students in K-2, 26 students in 3, and 28 students in 4-5 -- compared to 25, 27, and 29, respectively -- would outweigh the disadvantages of being a high-poverty school? Would you choose to send your child there?

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Anonymous wrote:I always heard RHES was in Chevy Chase Section 8? Is it really in silver spring?

Yes, it’s in Silver Spring. You’re disgusting.

You are disgusting for calling the person disgusting. It was a joke.

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But RHES, as you call it, would have be a Focus school and therefore have smaller class sizes. Isn’t that an enormous benefit?

If RHES were a Focus school, then it would be a high-poverty school. Do you think that 18 students in K-2, 26 students in 3, and 28 students in 4-5 -- compared to 25, 27, and 29, respectively -- would outweigh the disadvantages of being a high-poverty school? Would you choose to send your child there?

Many people believe that it is worth it in the lower grades because the benefits of lower class sizes are greater then and the disadvantages that come with higher-poverty schools are less important/pronounced in early elementary.

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Anonymous wrote:I always heard RHES was in Chevy Chase Section 8? Is it really in silver spring?

Lol I am going to remember that one

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Anonymous wrote:I always heard RHES was in Chevy Chase Section 8? Is it really in silver spring?

Yes, it’s in Silver Spring. You’re disgusting.

You are disgusting for calling the person disgusting. It was a joke.

Tasteless joke. “Chevy Chase Section 8” is a pretty gross thing to say.

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But RHES, as you call it, would have be a Focus school and therefore have smaller class sizes. Isn’t that an enormous benefit?

If RHES were a Focus school, then it would be a high-poverty school. Do you think that 18 students in K-2, 26 students in 3, and 28 students in 4-5 -- compared to 25, 27, and 29, respectively -- would outweigh the disadvantages of being a high-poverty school? Would you choose to send your child there?

Many people believe that it is worth it in the lower grades because the benefits of lower class sizes are greater then and the disadvantages that come with higher-poverty schools are less important/pronounced in early elementary.

I’m thinking about it from the perspective of the student whose family is below the poverty line. Are they more benefited from going to a school with small class sizes? Or a school where some of their classmates have Teslas in the driveway? I would think the small class sizes 100%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But RHES, as you call it, would have be a Focus school and therefore have smaller class sizes. Isn’t that an enormous benefit?

If RHES were a Focus school, then it would be a high-poverty school. Do you think that 18 students in K-2, 26 students in 3, and 28 students in 4-5 -- compared to 25, 27, and 29, respectively -- would outweigh the disadvantages of being a high-poverty school? Would you choose to send your child there?

Many people believe that it is worth it in the lower grades because the benefits of lower class sizes are greater then and the disadvantages that come with higher-poverty schools are less important/pronounced in early elementary.

I’m thinking about it from the perspective of the student whose family is below the poverty line. Are they more benefited from going to a school with small class sizes? Or a school where some of their classmates have Teslas in the driveway? I would think the small class sizes 100%.

And your first-hand experience with the perspectives of families below the poverty line is...?

[Anonymous]

They'll be going over the results from the BCC-WJ capacity study on Oct. 7th at Bethesda ES and Oct. 14th at Ashburton.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/facilities/construction/project/bccwjesclusterstudy.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But RHES, as you call it, would have be a Focus school and therefore have smaller class sizes. Isn’t that an enormous benefit?

If RHES were a Focus school, then it would be a high-poverty school. Do you think that 18 students in K-2, 26 students in 3, and 28 students in 4-5 -- compared to 25, 27, and 29, respectively -- would outweigh the disadvantages of being a high-poverty school? Would you choose to send your child there?

Many people believe that it is worth it in the lower grades because the benefits of lower class sizes are greater then and the disadvantages that come with higher-poverty schools are less important/pronounced in early elementary.

I’m thinking about it from the perspective of the student whose family is below the poverty line. Are they more benefited from going to a school with small class sizes? Or a school where some of their classmates have Teslas in the driveway? I would think the small class sizes 100%.

And your first-hand experience with the perspectives of families below the poverty line is...?

Growing up in a poor family. Gerrymandering that school to decrease the percentage of FARMS students absolutely denies resources (in the form of smaller class sizes) to higher need students.