Why is suburban Maryland so leftist?

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Anonymous wrote:Education. Period.

Public schools!?!?!

I guess if you’re inferring that it’s possible because of the poor quality of education here, then I’d agree with you.

very droll.. but no.

The more degrees you have, the more likely you are to be a liberal.

That’s not education. That’s due to indoctrination.

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Better educated people can see how wrong being on the right is, on so many levels.

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That’s not education. That’s due to indoctrination.

Yes, it's a common belief that MY opinions are reasoned and freely arrived at, whereas YOUR opinions are the result of indoctrination and thoughtlessness. That's pretty silly, though.

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That’s not education. That’s due to indoctrination.

Yes, it's a common belief that MY opinions are reasoned and freely arrived at, whereas YOUR opinions are the result of indoctrination and thoughtlessness. That's pretty silly, though.

Of course there is that silly thing called science. But don't bother with facts.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what you think as incredibly liberal is pretty central. You're just becoming an extremist.

Sure...let's get rid of the health insurance of 200 million Americans...so centrist.

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Anonymous wrote:Education. Period.

Public schools!?!?!

I guess if you’re inferring that it’s possible because of the poor quality of education here, then I’d agree with you.

very droll.. but no.

The more degrees you have, the more likely you are to be a liberal.

That’s not education. That’s due to indoctrination.

That is quite ironic coming from a Trumpster.

I suppose you would be fine going to an uneducated person for your medical care, and that you will encourage your child not to go to college?

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Anonymous wrote:Good question. Proximity to DC, I guess? I'm a bleeding heart liberal in MoCo and love it here, but some of my conservative neighbors can't stop ranting about it.

And folks like me, a moderate Democrat, are tired of the silly SS and TP types that currently dominate MC politics. MC is well on the road toward being another CT, with serious financial problems and dwindling population of taxpayers. Enjoy! I am moving!

We moved, too! I have many friends still in Mo Co - many in denial - but one too strapped to move. She's disgusted by the schools and their lack of rigor and discipline.

The "dwindling population" is increasing every year.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/md/montgomery-county-population/

Even at the 2018 rate, that's 12 people a day that need new housing. Strange way to describe a "dwindling population".

The reference was to taxpayers, implicitly those who pay the incomes taxes on which the rest of MC live. Top 10% of TPs pay roughly 70% of income taxes. MC can't survive on low to medium income TPs. What Maryland and MC actually should do is to reduce upper rates and to eliminate Maryland estate tax, eliminating the financial incentive to leave Maryland. States like AZ and FL depend on the arrival of retirees, many of which move there for tax reasons.

Yes, a lot of folks move out of high col areas to lower col areas when they retire. We will, too, but it's not necessarily because of progressive politics. For example, I would *love* to retire to CA if I could, but housing costs are too high.

But high earners who are still working will stay in high col areas like MoCo because of the proximity to high paying jobs, which tend to be concentrated in progressive urban areas like the Bay Area and NYC, and DC. Those jobs are not located in very red counties in the US.

Why do you think that the housing costs are too high in CA, if not for the progressive politics? Do you honestly not see the link?

No.. it's high because lots of people with lots of money are moving there or getting rich there and buying up homes. And because the job market there is pretty hot, and so it drives up housing costs. I lived in CA for 40 years, both NorCal and SoCal. I think you don't know what you are talking about.

Same for places like NYC and DC are expensive of progressive policies. Wherever there are lots of educated people with high paying jobs the area turns blue.

So, what you are saying is that places like WV and NE are not progressive and that's why its cheap to live there? Well, you are partly correct... very conservative areas don't attract the highly educated or the high paying jobs. That's why housing costs in such places tend to be cheap.

Do you honestly not see that link?

In other words, only the liberal elites can afford the liberal bastions of socialism, and the middle-class is being driven out?

Show me an expensive area that is filled with "conservative elite" and where the high cost of living is not driving out middle class... oh wait. .. there are no highly conservative areas that have alot of high paying jobs that drive out the middle class. Gosh, why is that. Do conservatives not want high paying jobs? Or are they just not capable of attracting high paying jobs because they don't seem to value education? Explain that to me.

But wait.. that's not true. Expensive parts of Orange County CA that were largely white *USED* to be a R strong hold. I used to live there. Not anymore, though, especially since Trump.

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Montgomery County is really not that far left at all. It only appears that way because the only people engaging in local politics are the far lefties out in SS and TP. The rest of the county isn't on their side but they all focus more on national rather than local politics.

The unions basically control who gets elected to the county council or the school board. The candidate that agrees to do the most for the union always wins.

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The reference was to taxpayers, implicitly those who pay the incomes taxes on which the rest of MC live. Top 10% of TPs pay roughly 70% of income taxes. MC can't survive on low to medium income TPs. What Maryland and MC actually should do is to reduce upper rates and to eliminate Maryland estate tax, eliminating the financial incentive to leave Maryland. States like AZ and FL depend on the arrival of retirees, many of which move there for tax reasons.

Yes, that's how it works in a system with progressive taxes. Actually that's a very common statistical distribution in general. The top 10-20% of [whatever] buy/use/pay/drink 70-80% of [whatever].

Also, it's absurd to say that the rest of Montgomery County lives on the rich people, but if the rest of Montgomery County actually did, it would be foolish to reduce the rich people's taxes.

Very simple. I can live in DMV and pay less taxes than I do in MC. DC and VA are both cheaper overall. You actually want to create reasonable incentives for rich to live, retire and die in MC. The opposite is the case now. Not only do the rich pay more in income taxes (70% as noted above), but the rich also spend more and our economy is highly dependent on consumption. Keep the rich here, keep their taxes here, and keep their spending here. Yes, MC entire reputation of good governance and good schools has been depended on the taxes paid by the top 10%. If a sizable portion of that top 10% leave, MC is screwed.

No, you do. I don't. There is a long list of things I want to do, and that's not on it.

Then, good luck paying for whatever you want to do. BTW. Rich retirees place less of burden on MC resources. They do not require schools, for example.

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Why do you think that the housing costs are too high in CA, if not for the progressive politics? Do you honestly not see the link?
No.. it's high because lots of people with lots of money are moving there or getting rich there and buying up homes. And because the job market there is pretty hot, and so it drives up housing costs. I lived in CA for 40 years, both NorCal and SoCal. I think you don't know what you are talking about.

Same for places like NYC and DC are expensive of progressive policies. Wherever there are lots of educated people with high paying jobs the area turns blue.

So, what you are saying is that places like WV and NE are not progressive and that's why its cheap to live there? Well, you are partly correct... very conservative areas don't attract the highly educated or the high paying jobs. That's why housing costs in such places tend to be cheap.

Do you honestly not see that link?

In other words, only the liberal elites can afford the liberal bastions of socialism, and the middle-class is being driven out?

Yup. Where do you fin the biggest income inequality? Places that are packed with elite Democrats. DC, MoCo, San Fran, NYC. Massive income inequality.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you think that the housing costs are too high in CA, if not for the progressive politics? Do you honestly not see the link?

No.. it's high because lots of people with lots of money are moving there or getting rich there and buying up homes. And because the job market there is pretty hot, and so it drives up housing costs. I lived in CA for 40 years, both NorCal and SoCal. I think you don't know what you are talking about.

Same for places like NYC and DC are expensive of progressive policies. Wherever there are lots of educated people with high paying jobs the area turns blue.

So, what you are saying is that places like WV and NE are not progressive and that's why its cheap to live there? Well, you are partly correct... very conservative areas don't attract the highly educated or the high paying jobs. That's why housing costs in such places tend to be cheap.

Do you honestly not see that link?

In other words, only the liberal elites can afford the liberal bastions of socialism, and the middle-class is being driven out?

Yup. Where do you fin the biggest income inequality? Places that are packed with elite Democrats. DC, MoCo, San Fran, NYC. Massive income inequality.

yes because they have high paying jobs and uneducated red areas don't. Not hard to understand. I'm also pretty sure that conservatives live in high col areas, too. There's a pretty famous one who made NYC his home. His name is Trump, and he called himself an elite, more elite than liberal elites.

I fixed your quote for you, too. You're welcome.

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^Oh, and the uber conservative Paul Ryan also made his home in uber liberal elite MoCo.

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Why do you think that the housing costs are too high in CA, if not for the progressive politics? Do you honestly not see the link?

Because lots of people are moving there to work, but they're not building anywhere near enough housing. Basic supply and demand.

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That’s not education. That’s due to indoctrination.

Yes, it's a common belief that MY opinions are reasoned and freely arrived at, whereas YOUR opinions are the result of indoctrination and thoughtlessness. That's pretty silly, though.

Until you get the curriculums at colleges and public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you think that the housing costs are too high in CA, if not for the progressive politics? Do you honestly not see the link?

No.. it's high because lots of people with lots of money are moving there or getting rich there and buying up homes. And because the job market there is pretty hot, and so it drives up housing costs. I lived in CA for 40 years, both NorCal and SoCal. I think you don't know what you are talking about.

Same for places like NYC and DC are expensive of progressive policies. Wherever there are lots of educated people with high paying jobs the area turns blue.

So, what you are saying is that places like WV and NE are not progressive and that's why its cheap to live there? Well, you are partly correct... very conservative areas don't attract the highly educated or the high paying jobs. That's why housing costs in such places tend to be cheap.

Do you honestly not see that link?

In other words, only the liberal elites can afford the liberal bastions of socialism, and the middle-class is being driven out?

Yup. Where do you fin the biggest income inequality? Places that are packed with elite Democrats. DC, MoCo, San Fran, NYC. Massive income inequality.

yes because they have high paying jobs and uneducated red areas don't. Not hard to understand. I'm also pretty sure that conservatives live in high col areas, too. There's a pretty famous one who made NYC his home. His name is Trump, and he called himself an elite, more elite than liberal elites.

I fixed your quote for you, too. You're welcome.

So the income inequality in San Fran is because of stupid conservatives?