Who leaked the MCPS attendance documents to the Washington Post?

[Anonymous]

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Students are skipping for different reasons. Punishments are useful for some reasons. That is good enough. I am not talking about a "work-for-all" method.
If you want to pursue other ways to help students getting back to school, as long as it does not require significantly more resources, I think you can propose that to schools too. It is in no way contradicting to having a punishment system.

I don't think it's good enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

True. And we have to realize: the punishments are there, not ONLY to BRING BACK students who skip school, but also to stop other students from doing the same thing for trivia reasons.
Punishments may not really work for those who frequently skip school since they don't care, but they would certainly work as a hold-back for other students.

You (or somebody) keeps focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. What are punishments going to do for students who skip school for other reasons?

It would help to get rid of those "other reasons". The student is going to stop working late in the family's restaurant if it means skipping school the next day, and skipping school = failing out of school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

True. And we have to realize: the punishments are there, not ONLY to BRING BACK students who skip school, but also to stop other students from doing the same thing for trivia reasons.
Punishments may not really work for those who frequently skip school since they don't care, but they would certainly work as a hold-back for other students.

You (or somebody) keeps focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. What are punishments going to do for students who skip school for other reasons?

No one is focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. For those students, it doesn't matter. We punish them not to help them (I don't care for them either), but to stop others from acting like them.


Punishments work for students who care. Very simple.

For students having other reasons (which you think do not deserve punishment)? Is is hard to understand that all rules can have exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Students are skipping for different reasons. Punishments are useful for some reasons. That is good enough. I am not talking about a "work-for-all" method.
If you want to pursue other ways to help students getting back to school, as long as it does not require significantly more resources, I think you can propose that to schools too. It is in no way contradicting to having a punishment system.

I don't think it's good enough.

+1

We know it isn’t good enough because it harmed large numbers of students when we did it before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Students are skipping for different reasons. Punishments are useful for some reasons. That is good enough. I am not talking about a "work-for-all" method.
If you want to pursue other ways to help students getting back to school, as long as it does not require significantly more resources, I think you can propose that to schools too. It is in no way contradicting to having a punishment system.

I don't think it's good enough.

We have different meanings of "good enough". When I say "good enough" I mean it is a good enough reason to keep punishments there.
When you say "not good enough", you are talking about other things one can do to make it even better. I have no objections to other things you want to do, and I am not saying punishments can solve everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Students are skipping for different reasons. Punishments are useful for some reasons. That is good enough. I am not talking about a "work-for-all" method.
If you want to pursue other ways to help students getting back to school, as long as it does not require significantly more resources, I think you can propose that to schools too. It is in no way contradicting to having a punishment system.

I don't think it's good enough.

We have different meanings of "good enough". When I say "good enough" I mean it is a good enough reason to keep punishments there.
When you say "not good enough", you are talking about other things one can do to make it even better. I have no objections to other things you want to do, and I am not saying punishments can solve everything.

And I think it isn't a good enough reason to keep the punishments there, when the punishments are harmful.

[Anonymous]

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Start by demanding that family vacations are not excused regardless of the socioeconomic status of the family. Write letters to the BOE and Smith on this issue specifically. Ask why a week at Disney is an educational experience, but attending the funeral of a cousin is an excused absence.

I think both a reasonable amount of family vacation and a cousin's funeral should be excused. If the student can make up the work and learn the material, a trip to a foreign country is absolutely an educational experience. Families should try to schedule so as not to impact school. But if there is a wedding, funeral, or other celebration abroad that requires missing some school, I think those are legitimate reasons to be absent. I went to school back when the policy was 5 unexcused absences and you fail, and my mom jumped through a lot of hoops to get a senior trip with my grandparents excused. And you know what? It really was educational and more worthwhile than another week of high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No one is focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. For those students, it doesn't matter. We punish them not to help them (I don't care for them either), but to stop others from acting like them.

Punishments work for students who care. Very simple.

For students having other reasons (which you think do not deserve punishment)? Is is hard to understand that all rules can have exceptions.

No, I can't get behind making an example of some kids for the edification of other kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Students are skipping for different reasons. Punishments are useful for some reasons. That is good enough. I am not talking about a "work-for-all" method.
If you want to pursue other ways to help students getting back to school, as long as it does not require significantly more resources, I think you can propose that to schools too. It is in no way contradicting to having a punishment system.

I don't think it's good enough.

We have different meanings of "good enough". When I say "good enough" I mean it is a good enough reason to keep punishments there.
When you say "not good enough", you are talking about other things one can do to make it even better. I have no objections to other things you want to do, and I am not saying punishments can solve everything.

And I think it isn't a good enough reason to keep the punishments there, when the punishments are harmful.

Well, no one is really giving any facts about the "harm" caused by punishments. I only see people talking about them not being useful. And I am saying punishments can be useful in some cases.

Since I am for punishments, you don't expect me to argue against myself by providing these "harmful" facts, do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No one is focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. For those students, it doesn't matter. We punish them not to help them (I don't care for them either), but to stop others from acting like them.

Punishments work for students who care. Very simple.

For students having other reasons (which you think do not deserve punishment)? Is is hard to understand that all rules can have exceptions.

No, I can't get behind making an example of some kids for the edification of other kids.

Well, that kind of philosophy is not going to work (punishing someone can only be used if it helps that same person).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No one is focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. For those students, it doesn't matter. We punish them not to help them (I don't care for them either), but to stop others from acting like them.

Punishments work for students who care. Very simple.

For students having other reasons (which you think do not deserve punishment)? Is is hard to understand that all rules can have exceptions.

No, I can't get behind making an example of some kids for the edification of other kids.

Well, that kind of philosophy is not going to work (punishing someone can only be used if it helps that same person).

Says who?

Do you punish your children? If so, for whose benefit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No one is focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. For those students, it doesn't matter. We punish them not to help them (I don't care for them either), but to stop others from acting like them.

Punishments work for students who care. Very simple.

For students having other reasons (which you think do not deserve punishment)? Is is hard to understand that all rules can have exceptions.

No, I can't get behind making an example of some kids for the edification of other kids.

Well, that kind of philosophy is not going to work (punishing someone can only be used if it helps that same person).

Says who?

Do you punish your children? If so, for whose benefit?

What kind of example is that?

I am saying that punishing someone DOES NOT HAVE to help that person.

I am not saying that punishing someone MUST NOT help that person.

Examples where punishment and benefit coexist, are irrelevant - I never claimed that these can not exist. I am just saying these are not the ONLY way.

[Anonymous]

It's simple math:

2/3 of a school year in MoCo > Full school year in Honduras

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's simple math:

2/3 of a school year in MoCo > Full school year in Honduras

yup and in Third World Latin American countries and AA communities with generations of poverty people don't value school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No one is focusing on punishments for students who skip school because they don't care. For those students, it doesn't matter. We punish them not to help them (I don't care for them either), but to stop others from acting like them.

Punishments work for students who care. Very simple.

For students having other reasons (which you think do not deserve punishment)? Is is hard to understand that all rules can have exceptions.

No, I can't get behind making an example of some kids for the edification of other kids.

Well, that kind of philosophy is not going to work (punishing someone can only be used if it helps that same person).

Says who?

Do you punish your children? If so, for whose benefit?

What kind of example is that?

I am saying that punishing someone DOES NOT HAVE to help that person.

I am not saying that punishing someone MUST NOT help that person.

Examples where punishment and benefit coexist, are irrelevant - I never claimed that these can not exist. I am just saying these are not the ONLY way.

Why does MCPS for e a HS diploma on students who cannot manage attend school and learn? Could the sfudent write or do 9th grade math?