Is a wedding at a 'plantation' bad form? or romantic?

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People still get married in Catholic churches.

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Anonymous wrote:Until this was brought up I would have thought it a nice venue, and upon reflection, any older home or restaurant or country club is guilty until proven innocent so unless it was built after 2010 or so I would nix having an event in one for fear that some racially unacceptable behavior had taken place in it, I mean just think about it , would you want to have your wedding in a country club where, God forbid, an off color joke was told? And it was found out and brought up?
Makes you think?

It makes me think you are clueless. And it makes me think you find a former slave plantation a lovely place to have a wedding.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the issue. It's history.

Do you also not tour houses like Mount Vernon?

Mount Vernon is a museum. And they talk a lot about slavery there. Similarly, former concentration camps are now essentially museums.

Not all museums are appropriate for weddings.

Barely, they barely mention slavery at Mt. Vernon. In fact, they don't want to talk about it at all, if they had their way, the older generation there. How often do you hear that George dearest had over 150 slaves in a regular tour?

Huh? Outside of the house tour, almost all the outbuildings are slaves' quarters or work buildings.

Are you sure that you've been to Mt Vernon?

Seriously -- They have a whole exhibit about the slaves he owned and the conditions in which they worked.

Now the plantation we visited outside Charleston was very different and we left regretting giving them money because they told us the slaves had good lives there ...

This must be a new development. Usually slave life tours are offered only during certain months. Until few years ago, they avoided the word slave, and called them servants. Heck even now they say enslaved butler, etc...When I went none of that was mentioned, in winter. I am curious now as to how did they represent the life of slaves? Did they mention that Washington would not write about births of slave children in his ledger of possessions until they were older, cause they were not important as they were likely to die young? Do they
"show the ledger where cows and slaves are numerated next to each other? Notice it says "majority of enslaved laborers" hence giving it not such a strong connotation as "majority of slaves..." This is sugar coated version, never doubt that. Why did he not free them right away?? Does it say his cook ran away? Does it say Martha did not free any of her own slaves?

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Anonymous wrote:Until this was brought up I would have thought it a nice venue, and upon reflection, any older home or restaurant or country club is guilty until proven innocent so unless it was built after 2010 or so I would nix having an event in one for fear that some racially unacceptable behavior had taken place in it, I mean just think about it , would you want to have your wedding in a country club where, God forbid, an off color joke was told? And it was found out and brought up?
Makes you think?

It makes me think you are clueless. And it makes me think you find a former slave plantation a lovely place to have a wedding.

Because slavery = offcolor joke? That’s the analogy you (first pp) are going with? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:I got married 20 years ago, which is almost a generation ago. My DH and i got married in a church and had our reception at Gunston Hall Plantation (George Mason's home.) I wanted a unique location. Also, I majored in History in college and liked the idea of celebrating my marriage in a historic, Virginia location. Back then, most of my friends were having receptions in hotel ballrooms and I wanted something different. The reception was not held in the home but in their museum, which is a modern building. We did take photos outside of his house and I have one of us standing in front of the house displayed prominently in my living room. The other aspect I really liked about the location is all of my guests received a guided tour of the house while we were taking photos. The thought of Mason owning slaves never entered my mind. I'm not sure if I would choose the same location today but he is a very prominent figure in our history.

Honestly, if you're white, you shouldn't be okay with this. It's white privilege to be able to pick and choose when we think about race and when we put it out of our mind, and this is all the more significant when we are talking about a building specifically constructed to profit off of the horrors of slavery. It's natural but something to be mindful about it.

Oh, get over yourself. How dare you tell someone else what they need to be "mindful" of. Who died and put you in charge?

I dare because I don't mind telling the truth, and to be honest telling somebody they need to be mindful of something is pretty tame. They should be able to handle it.

Wow. Pretty brazen of you to declare that you are the one with the truth. I guess we all need to remember that: THIS PP is in charge now. She determines our values, our truths, and what we should all be mindful of. Got it; I'll be sure to keep checking in with you to make sure I meet your approval.

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Anonymous wrote:People still get married in Catholic churches.

Oh Lordy Lord,

Let us be patient with stupid DCUM posters as they don't know what they are talking about.

Please prevent me from reminding them that it was Protestant Democrats who owned ALL slaves back in the day.

That would be rude.

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Anonymous wrote:People still get married in Catholic churches.

Oh Lordy Lord,

Let us be patient with stupid DCUM posters as they don't know what they are talking about.

Please prevent me from reminding them that it was Protestant Democrats who owned ALL slaves back in the day.

That would be rude.

Point being the child abuse that happened i Catholic churches. Abuse of vulnerable people. Why is it ok to get married there? Why is it kto pretend that didn't happen? But then admonish someone who wants to be marriedin a plantation house ?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.

We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.

The Native Americans were violently taking land from each other when we showed up. Those we conquered were merely the last in a long line of conquerors. But we should feel all sad and ashamed because we were better at conquering!

THIS. Its not like the rest of the globe was just getting along swimmingly. Land has changed hands since mankind existed and will continue to do so. Marseille was founded by the Greeks, should France give that back?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.

We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.

The Native Americans were violently taking land from each other when we showed up. Those we conquered were merely the last in a long line of conquerors. But we should feel all sad and ashamed because we were better at conquering!

THIS. Its not like the rest of the globe was just getting along swimmingly. Land has changed hands since mankind existed and will continue to do so. Marseille was founded by the Greeks, should France give that back?

I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see the issue. It's history.

Do you also not tour houses like Mount Vernon?

Mount Vernon is a museum. And they talk a lot about slavery there. Similarly, former concentration camps are now essentially museums.

Not all museums are appropriate for weddings.

Barely, they barely mention slavery at Mt. Vernon. In fact, they don't want to talk about it at all, if they had their way, the older generation there. How often do you hear that George dearest had over 150 slaves in a regular tour?

Huh? Outside of the house tour, almost all the outbuildings are slaves' quarters or work buildings.

Are you sure that you've been to Mt Vernon?

Seriously -- They have a whole exhibit about the slaves he owned and the conditions in which they worked.

Now the plantation we visited outside Charleston was very different and we left regretting giving them money because they told us the slaves had good lives there ...

This must be a new development. Usually slave life tours are offered only during certain months. Until few years ago, they avoided the word slave, and called them servants. Heck even now they say enslaved butler, etc...When I went none of that was mentioned, in winter. I am curious now as to how did they represent the life of slaves? Did they mention that Washington would not write about births of slave children in his ledger of possessions until they were older, cause they were not important as they were likely to die young? Do they
"show the ledger where cows and slaves are numerated next to each other? Notice it says "majority of enslaved laborers" hence giving it not such a strong connotation as "majority of slaves..." This is sugar coated version, never doubt that. Why did he not free them right away?? Does it say his cook ran away? Does it say Martha did not free any of her own slaves?

If by "new", you mean in the last 30 yrs, then yes. But they were talking about this the FIRST time I went to Mt Vernon in 1985. Wait...that was HOW long ago?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m personally ok with it but you have to decide how you feel.

We are all living on land we violently took from Native Americans and we don’t let that bother us enough not to do it.

The Native Americans were violently taking land from each other when we showed up. Those we conquered were merely the last in a long line of conquerors. But we should feel all sad and ashamed because we were better at conquering!

What? Are you that stupid? Were they all horse-riding marauders too? I mean are you really that uneducated and stupid?

[Anonymous]

It’s common in the south but I personally think it’s gross imagine having a happy day on the grounds where so much human suffering took place. And when was he last time you ever saw a black person get married at a plantation?

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Anonymous wrote:People still get married in Catholic churches.

Oh Lordy Lord,

Let us be patient with stupid DCUM posters as they don't know what they are talking about.

Please prevent me from reminding them that it was Protestant Democrats who owned ALL slaves back in the day.

That would be rude.

Point being the child abuse that happened i Catholic churches. Abuse of vulnerable people. Why is it ok to get married there? Why is it kto pretend that didn't happen? But then admonish someone who wants to be marriedin a plantation house ?

Did child abuse happen at THAT church?

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I think the term “plantation” in itself is offensive.
I am Asian by the way.

I recently saw a human interest story on T.V. where this White man was living in an apartment home community that had the word “plantation” in its moniker.

He petitioned to remove the word from the name of the apartment community & it all made sense to me too.

Just mentioning the word stirs up so many negative + painful issues.
I think it should be retired from our vocabulary.

Such a 2019 reaction I know.

[Anonymous]

I guess by this logic all Farmers are racist, please stfu