Would you buy on H Street?

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Anonymous wrote:You definitely get more house and yard in H St and Noma (two different neighborhoods).

You get lots of amenities too.

Neighborhoods get too expensive, and then spread. Capitol Hill gentrification has spread toward H St and beyond. It seems like a stretch to claim to that H St has more/better options though. Good options, for sure, but not better.

I don’t think anyone is saying H is better than Capital Hill/Eastern market. Poster said she has some amenities there which someone says is also available in the H St neighborhood and presented such. It was noted that it’s not accurate to equally compare the 2 since the price difference is so significant.

It’ is “safer” in CH and the elementary schools are better, but I will say overcrowding in the classsroom is a huge problem. The schools are bursting at the seams, and I think the problem is just going to get worst.

Pet peeve. Capitol, not Capital, Hill.

I don't know about overcrowding at any Hill schools with the exception of PK3 and PK4 inbound wait lists. But upper grades are not generally crowded. Class sizes are much smaller than JKLMM in K-5.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really not sure what the purpose of this argument. I live near H Street and I find many of the businesses on Barracks Row to feel sclerotic and stale in comparison. But this is a ridiculous pissing match for two reasons. First, the Eastern Market side of the Hill is probably 15-20% more expensive than H Street, with generally smaller houses and lots, and so not an option for many people. Secondly, either option is far superior to what many people have access to. I looked up some Walk Scores for point of reference:

- 600 H Street NE: 96
- 1300 H Street NE: 90
- 700 Pennsylvania Ave SE: 99
- 600 E Capitol St: 90
- 1200 Pennsylvania Ave SE: 95

So, the person in the hypothetical heart of the Eastern Market area is gonna brag about 3 whole points relative to a person on the Western half of H Street? I mean, go for it...

Well ... my kid goes to the #1 rated elementary school in DC, I can walk to the metro in 12 minutes, we have a park across the street, and I don't feel like I'm risking my life every time I cross the street, so I'm gonna brag, yes!

Well, your housing cost is 20% more so yes you get better schools. But I live by H st, 3 houses down from a very large park with multiple amenities and 12 minute walk to Union Station (access via back entrance on H St). Some on H St might have just a 5 minute walk to Union Station. I cross the street thousands of times and no issues of any concern about risking my life. And we have a huge backyard and a garage.

But really it’s not a similar comparison with such as big price difference.

I doubt there's much of a price differential now for your house zoned for LT (I assume?). Please be careful crossing H st.

Nope, we are not in the LT zone. The LT zone is still significantly cheaper than further south in the Hill. BTW for 20% less and more house and yard, LT is a good magnet elementary with a viable middle school track to Stuart Hobson which now offers honors. Maury, Brent not much viable middle school track.

We are north of H st and actually 12 min walk to 2 Metro’s - Union Station and NOMA. Many people are closer and 5-10 min walk to both. Plus if you don’t want to walk to metro, hop on the trolley and it’s free. It’s a fun, nice ride and takes you right to the back of Union Station.

Ok, so basically no viable school at all. That's what we pay the premium for. The trolly is absurd - you can walk faster than the trolly.

I beg to differ as someone who has taken the trolley. If you catch it right when you get to the stop, it is quicker then the 12 minutes walking. Cuts time in 1/2.

Our child is in a highly regarded charter which has a viable middle and high school track which you don’t have so no problems there for us. Plus we can afford to go private should we change our mind, which is unlikely though. We will take the money saved and not pay your premium to pay for college in addition to getting more space, yard, and parking. There are many families like us who could afford the hill but chose H St. for many of the above reasons.

So basically to make the choice of H street work you have to either win the school lottery first, or have enough disposible income to pay for private. Got it.

A huge stretch of the H Street neighborhood is zoned for good elementary schools, so this just isn't true.

I guess we're getting into the minutia of boundaries, then! You mean the LT zone? Yes, that's a sweet spot, but OP's condo wasn't in that zone. Also, (sorry if I asked this before) but are prices in LT actually any better than the Maury zone?

Yes LT prices are better than much further south in the Maury zone, maybe catching up if you go more east in the Maury zone. I predict in the future LT zone will be more attractive than Maury due to having a good elementary with LT and a viable middle school with Stuart Hobson. Maury you either have to move or go private. No chance that EH is going to get any better anytime soon in the next 5-6 years.

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Anonymous wrote:You definitely get more house and yard in H St and Noma (two different neighborhoods).

You get lots of amenities too.

Neighborhoods get too expensive, and then spread. Capitol Hill gentrification has spread toward H St and beyond. It seems like a stretch to claim to that H St has more/better options though. Good options, for sure, but not better.

I don’t think anyone is saying H is better than Capital Hill/Eastern market. Poster said she has some amenities there which someone says is also available in the H St neighborhood and presented such. It was noted that it’s not accurate to equally compare the 2 since the price difference is so significant.

It’ is “safer” in CH and the elementary schools are better, but I will say overcrowding in the classsroom is a huge problem. The schools are bursting at the seams, and I think the problem is just going to get worst.

Pet peeve. Capitol, not Capital, Hill.

I don't know about overcrowding at any Hill schools with the exception of PK3 and PK4 inbound wait lists. But upper grades are not generally crowded. Class sizes are much smaller than JKLMM in K-5.

Our neighbor is a teacher at Maury and overcrowding is a problem there.

See link regarding Brent

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/764555.page

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really not sure what the purpose of this argument. I live near H Street and I find many of the businesses on Barracks Row to feel sclerotic and stale in comparison. But this is a ridiculous pissing match for two reasons. First, the Eastern Market side of the Hill is probably 15-20% more expensive than H Street, with generally smaller houses and lots, and so not an option for many people. Secondly, either option is far superior to what many people have access to. I looked up some Walk Scores for point of reference:

- 600 H Street NE: 96
- 1300 H Street NE: 90
- 700 Pennsylvania Ave SE: 99
- 600 E Capitol St: 90
- 1200 Pennsylvania Ave SE: 95

So, the person in the hypothetical heart of the Eastern Market area is gonna brag about 3 whole points relative to a person on the Western half of H Street? I mean, go for it...

Well ... my kid goes to the #1 rated elementary school in DC, I can walk to the metro in 12 minutes, we have a park across the street, and I don't feel like I'm risking my life every time I cross the street, so I'm gonna brag, yes!

Well, your housing cost is 20% more so yes you get better schools. But I live by H st, 3 houses down from a very large park with multiple amenities and 12 minute walk to Union Station (access via back entrance on H St). Some on H St might have just a 5 minute walk to Union Station. I cross the street thousands of times and no issues of any concern about risking my life. And we have a huge backyard and a garage.

But really it’s not a similar comparison with such as big price difference.

I doubt there's much of a price differential now for your house zoned for LT (I assume?). Please be careful crossing H st.

Nope, we are not in the LT zone. The LT zone is still significantly cheaper than further south in the Hill. BTW for 20% less and more house and yard, LT is a good magnet elementary with a viable middle school track to Stuart Hobson which now offers honors. Maury, Brent not much viable middle school track.

We are north of H st and actually 12 min walk to 2 Metro’s - Union Station and NOMA. Many people are closer and 5-10 min walk to both. Plus if you don’t want to walk to metro, hop on the trolley and it’s free. It’s a fun, nice ride and takes you right to the back of Union Station.

Ok, so basically no viable school at all. That's what we pay the premium for. The trolly is absurd - you can walk faster than the trolly.

I beg to differ as someone who has taken the trolley. If you catch it right when you get to the stop, it is quicker then the 12 minutes walking. Cuts time in 1/2.

Our child is in a highly regarded charter which has a viable middle and high school track which you don’t have so no problems there for us. Plus we can afford to go private should we change our mind, which is unlikely though. We will take the money saved and not pay your premium to pay for college in addition to getting more space, yard, and parking. There are many families like us who could afford the hill but chose H St. for many of the above reasons.

So basically to make the choice of H street work you have to either win the school lottery first, or have enough disposible income to pay for private. Got it.

Nope, the kids can go to LT, JOW both with viable middle school track to SH. We just chose to go to a great charter with a track all the way thu high school. The savings from the 20% price difference between H and Capital Hill/Eastern Market BTW can pay for the majority of private elementary if you don’t want to go to JOW.

There are approximately zero people with the money to send their kids to private school who have their kids in the upper grades at JOW.

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Anonymous wrote:You definitely get more house and yard in H St and Noma (two different neighborhoods).

You get lots of amenities too.

Neighborhoods get too expensive, and then spread. Capitol Hill gentrification has spread toward H St and beyond. It seems like a stretch to claim to that H St has more/better options though. Good options, for sure, but not better.

I don’t think anyone is saying H is better than Capital Hill/Eastern market. Poster said she has some amenities there which someone says is also available in the H St neighborhood and presented such. It was noted that it’s not accurate to equally compare the 2 since the price difference is so significant.

It’ is “safer” in CH and the elementary schools are better, but I will say overcrowding in the classsroom is a huge problem. The schools are bursting at the seams, and I think the problem is just going to get worst.

Pet peeve. Capitol, not Capital, Hill.

I don't know about overcrowding at any Hill schools with the exception of PK3 and PK4 inbound wait lists. But upper grades are not generally crowded. Class sizes are much smaller than JKLMM in K-5.

Our neighbor is a teacher at Maury and overcrowding is a problem there.

See link regarding Brent

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/764555.page

For ECE. Both Brent and Maury could easily drop one or more PK3 or PK4 class and alleviate the pressure in K. There isn't discernible overcrowding in 1-5, with classes ranging from 23-28 in both schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You definitely get more house and yard in H St and Noma (two different neighborhoods).

You get lots of amenities too.

Neighborhoods get too expensive, and then spread. Capitol Hill gentrification has spread toward H St and beyond. It seems like a stretch to claim to that H St has more/better options though. Good options, for sure, but not better.

I don’t think anyone is saying H is better than Capital Hill/Eastern market. Poster said she has some amenities there which someone says is also available in the H St neighborhood and presented such. It was noted that it’s not accurate to equally compare the 2 since the price difference is so significant.

It’ is “safer” in CH and the elementary schools are better, but I will say overcrowding in the classsroom is a huge problem. The schools are bursting at the seams, and I think the problem is just going to get worst.

Pet peeve. Capitol, not Capital, Hill.

I don't know about overcrowding at any Hill schools with the exception of PK3 and PK4 inbound wait lists. But upper grades are not generally crowded. Class sizes are much smaller than JKLMM in K-5.

Our neighbor is a teacher at Maury and overcrowding is a problem there.

See link regarding Brent

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/764555.page

I mean, it's crowded in Maury with the trailers, but the class sizes are all small unless there's something I don't know about. Several years ago they apparently had a really big K class, but they haven't repeated that.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really not sure what the purpose of this argument. I live near H Street and I find many of the businesses on Barracks Row to feel sclerotic and stale in comparison. But this is a ridiculous pissing match for two reasons. First, the Eastern Market side of the Hill is probably 15-20% more expensive than H Street, with generally smaller houses and lots, and so not an option for many people. Secondly, either option is far superior to what many people have access to. I looked up some Walk Scores for point of reference:

- 600 H Street NE: 96
- 1300 H Street NE: 90
- 700 Pennsylvania Ave SE: 99
- 600 E Capitol St: 90
- 1200 Pennsylvania Ave SE: 95

So, the person in the hypothetical heart of the Eastern Market area is gonna brag about 3 whole points relative to a person on the Western half of H Street? I mean, go for it...

Well ... my kid goes to the #1 rated elementary school in DC, I can walk to the metro in 12 minutes, we have a park across the street, and I don't feel like I'm risking my life every time I cross the street, so I'm gonna brag, yes!

Well, your housing cost is 20% more so yes you get better schools. But I live by H st, 3 houses down from a very large park with multiple amenities and 12 minute walk to Union Station (access via back entrance on H St). Some on H St might have just a 5 minute walk to Union Station. I cross the street thousands of times and no issues of any concern about risking my life. And we have a huge backyard and a garage.

But really it’s not a similar comparison with such as big price difference.

I doubt there's much of a price differential now for your house zoned for LT (I assume?). Please be careful crossing H st.

Nope, we are not in the LT zone. The LT zone is still significantly cheaper than further south in the Hill. BTW for 20% less and more house and yard, LT is a good magnet elementary with a viable middle school track to Stuart Hobson which now offers honors. Maury, Brent not much viable middle school track.

We are north of H st and actually 12 min walk to 2 Metro’s - Union Station and NOMA. Many people are closer and 5-10 min walk to both. Plus if you don’t want to walk to metro, hop on the trolley and it’s free. It’s a fun, nice ride and takes you right to the back of Union Station.

Ok, so basically no viable school at all. That's what we pay the premium for. The trolly is absurd - you can walk faster than the trolly.

I beg to differ as someone who has taken the trolley. If you catch it right when you get to the stop, it is quicker then the 12 minutes walking. Cuts time in 1/2.

Our child is in a highly regarded charter which has a viable middle and high school track which you don’t have so no problems there for us. Plus we can afford to go private should we change our mind, which is unlikely though. We will take the money saved and not pay your premium to pay for college in addition to getting more space, yard, and parking. There are many families like us who could afford the hill but chose H St. for many of the above reasons.

So basically to make the choice of H street work you have to either win the school lottery first, or have enough disposible income to pay for private. Got it.

A huge stretch of the H Street neighborhood is zoned for good elementary schools, so this just isn't true.

I guess we're getting into the minutia of boundaries, then! You mean the LT zone? Yes, that's a sweet spot, but OP's condo wasn't in that zone. Also, (sorry if I asked this before) but are prices in LT actually any better than the Maury zone?

Yes LT prices are better than much further south in the Maury zone, maybe catching up if you go more east in the Maury zone. I predict in the future LT zone will be more attractive than Maury due to having a good elementary with LT and a viable middle school with Stuart Hobson. Maury you either have to move or go private. No chance that EH is going to get any better anytime soon in the next 5-6 years.

We are trying to buy now and in similar geographic areas, LT is now virtually the same as Maury. In fact, there is more "cheap" Maury (15th and East) than "cheap" LT (pretty much nowhere).