Jews with Christmas/Holiday trees

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Anonymous wrote:I take zero issue with anyone of any religion celebrating any part of Christmas- I love Christmas! I do take serious issue with people saying "well I have a Christmas tree and do Santa because most Christmas stuff like that isn't religious anyways". Look, hate to break it to you, but Christmas is a religious holiday. It's the second holiest after Easter. Do a tree if you want, do Elf on the Shelf, knock yourself out and have fun because it IS fun. But don't justify it by demeaning our holiday in the process. By participating in it while joking "well it's not like there was a Christmas tree at the birth of Jesus, it's just a fun decoration" is cultural appropriation, and rude.

I am a pagan and you have appropriated our culture with the decorated and lit evergreen tree and it is rude! Stop this cultural appropriation!

Yes, you post this multiple times on every thread about Christmas. Christmas celebrations absolutely have Pagan roots, from hundreds of years ago. We get it. I still stand by my entire post.

I admire how you can hold contradictory beliefs in at once.

Actually I'm completely agreeing that the Christmas celebration at/around the winter solstice borrows significantly from pagan tradition. Unlike some on this thread who refuse to acknowledge that Christmas is a Christian holiday and that there is nothing wrong with setting up Christmas decorations, talking about Santa (who is, by the way, SAINT Nicholas- which is definitely Christian), and claiming that it's all secular and none of it is religious. Celebrate and enjoy the magic of the season but don't go around telling people it's not a religious holiday and that's why it's okay for you to do it. It's definitely a religious holiday, and if you're not very devout in your own religion and you want to celebrate a Christian holiday too then there is totally nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous]

For me, it doesn't work. Doesn't feel right. Tried my first year of marriage. We enjoy the tree at my mother in laws. It feels right there and we all love it. At our house no tree and that's ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the religion of Christianity, but every day Christians like my previous roommate who would buy candles in the shape of Buddha for fun. That is incredibly disrespectful to Buddhists. This thread is talking about symbols of religion - the Christmas tree. Symbols of any religion are meaningful to those practicing that religion.

As has been pointed out many times, a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.


Manger, yes, tree, no.

If people on this thread agreed with that, the tree as a secular form of celebration for all people would t be an issue and no need for this thread. But people disagree about this so here we are.

But that's the point exactly. If a non-Christian puts up a tree, it isn't religious and it isn't disrespectful.

Yes, it is disrespectful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not the religion of Christianity, but every day Christians like my previous roommate who would buy candles in the shape of Buddha for fun. That is incredibly disrespectful to Buddhists. This thread is talking about symbols of religion - the Christmas tree. Symbols of any religion are meaningful to those practicing that religion.

As has been pointed out many times, a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.


Manger, yes, tree, no.

If people on this thread agreed with that, the tree as a secular form of celebration for all people would t be an issue and no need for this thread. But people disagree about this so here we are.

But that's the point exactly. If a non-Christian puts up a tree, it isn't religious and it isn't disrespectful.

Yes, it is disrespectful.

No, it is not! Christmas is open to all. It is not an exclusive holiday. I do not mind my Jewish, atheists, Hindu, and Muslim friends putting up trees in their home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you don’t want to be Jewish and you don’t want your children to be Jewish and you give zero effs about what your grandparents or their parents went through for your right to have the choice to eff over thousands of years of tradition because you want to take pictures of your food, practice yoga with goats, cure your own candid bacon, and fancy yourself a millennial BuJu. When your children become born again, remember your zero effs given.

Blessed be the fruitloops! Someone forgot to take their medication today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not the religion of Christianity, but every day Christians like my previous roommate who would buy candles in the shape of Buddha for fun. That is incredibly disrespectful to Buddhists. This thread is talking about symbols of religion - the Christmas tree. Symbols of any religion are meaningful to those practicing that religion.

As has been pointed out many times, a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.


Manger, yes, tree, no.

If people on this thread agreed with that, the tree as a secular form of celebration for all people would t be an issue and no need for this thread. But people disagree about this so here we are.

But that's the point exactly. If a non-Christian puts up a tree, it isn't religious and it isn't disrespectful.

Yes, it is disrespectful.

Sigh... explain why please.

Maybe read this first. https://www.history.com/topics/christmas/history-of-christmas-trees

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not the religion of Christianity, but every day Christians like my previous roommate who would buy candles in the shape of Buddha for fun. That is incredibly disrespectful to Buddhists. This thread is talking about symbols of religion - the Christmas tree. Symbols of any religion are meaningful to those practicing that religion.

As has been pointed out many times, a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.


Manger, yes, tree, no.

If people on this thread agreed with that, the tree as a secular form of celebration for all people would t be an issue and no need for this thread. But people disagree about this so here we are.

But that's the point exactly. If a non-Christian puts up a tree, it isn't religious and it isn't disrespectful.

Yes, it is disrespectful.

Sigh... explain why please.

Maybe read this first. https://www.history.com/topics/christmas/history-of-christmas-trees

Everyone knows that Christmas trees are from winter solstice celebrations HISTORICALLY, but in MODERN TIMES (aka the past 200 years), they are a clear symbol of Christmas. Having a Christmas tree with a star or an angel on top is not disrespectful. Having a Christmas tree and insisting it has nothing to do with Christianity because it's not really a symbol of Christmas is just pedantic and yes, somewhat disrespectful to Christians. Just celebrate it wholeheartedly instead of pretending it's not, at its core, a religious holiday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you don’t want to be Jewish and you don’t want your children to be Jewish and you give zero effs about what your grandparents or their parents went through for your right to have the choice to eff over thousands of years of tradition because you want to take pictures of your food, practice yoga with goats, cure your own candid bacon, and fancy yourself a millennial BuJu. When your children become born again, remember your zero effs given.

Isn't CHOICE the key? It's like people who celebrate the freedoms that the military has afforded us, yet get pissed when people exercise that freedom in a way don't like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you don’t want to be Jewish and you don’t want your children to be Jewish and you give zero effs about what your grandparents or their parents went through for your right to have the choice to eff over thousands of years of tradition because you want to take pictures of your food, practice yoga with goats, cure your own candid bacon, and fancy yourself a millennial BuJu. When your children become born again, remember your zero effs given.

Isn't CHOICE the key? It's like people who celebrate the freedoms that the military has afforded us, yet get pissed when people exercise that freedom in a way don't like.

Having the choice and freedom to do something disrespectful doesn't mean people can't tell you you're being disrespectful. Choices don't come with zero consequences even if you're allowed to make them. I hate lame arguments like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So you don’t want to be Jewish and you don’t want your children to be Jewish and you give zero effs about what your grandparents or their parents went through for your right to have the choice to eff over thousands of years of tradition because you want to take pictures of your food, practice yoga with goats, cure your own candid bacon, and fancy yourself a millennial BuJu. When your children become born again, remember your zero effs given.

Isn't CHOICE the key? It's like people who celebrate the freedoms that the military has afforded us, yet get pissed when people exercise that freedom in a way don't like.

Having the choice and freedom to do something disrespectful doesn't mean people can't tell you you're being disrespectful. Choices don't come with zero consequences even if you're allowed to make them. I hate lame arguments like that.

Disrespectful? To whom? A long lost relative from the shtetl? It isn't disrespectful just because someone makes a choice you disagree with. It is disrespectful of you to think your views should predominate over other's beliefs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you don’t want to be Jewish and you don’t want your children to be Jewish and you give zero effs about what your grandparents or their parents went through for your right to have the choice to eff over thousands of years of tradition because you want to take pictures of your food, practice yoga with goats, cure your own candid bacon, and fancy yourself a millennial BuJu. When your children become born again, remember your zero effs given.

Isn't CHOICE the key? It's like people who celebrate the freedoms that the military has afforded us, yet get pissed when people exercise that freedom in a way don't like.

Having the choice and freedom to do something disrespectful doesn't mean people can't tell you you're being disrespectful. Choices don't come with zero consequences even if you're allowed to make them. I hate lame arguments like that.

Disrespectful? To whom? A long lost relative from the shtetl? It isn't disrespectful just because someone makes a choice you disagree with. It is disrespectful of you to think your views should predominate over other's beliefs.

Jews have their own traditions and holidays.. In less its a mixed marriage, its not ok to have a tree. There is nothing Jewish or secular about a tree or Christmas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you don’t want to be Jewish and you don’t want your children to be Jewish and you give zero effs about what your grandparents or their parents went through for your right to have the choice to eff over thousands of years of tradition because you want to take pictures of your food, practice yoga with goats, cure your own candid bacon, and fancy yourself a millennial BuJu. When your children become born again, remember your zero effs given.

Isn't CHOICE the key? It's like people who celebrate the freedoms that the military has afforded us, yet get pissed when people exercise that freedom in a way don't like.

Having the choice and freedom to do something disrespectful doesn't mean people can't tell you you're being disrespectful. Choices don't come with zero consequences even if you're allowed to make them. I hate lame arguments like that.

Disrespectful? To whom? A long lost relative from the shtetl? It isn't disrespectful just because someone makes a choice you disagree with. It is disrespectful of you to think your views should predominate over other's beliefs.

Jews have their own traditions and holidays.. In less its a mixed marriage, its not ok to have a tree. There is nothing Jewish or secular about a tree or Christmas.

I agree with you and don't have a tree. But that is my choice. I am not getting my hot and bothered by others who make different choices.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not the religion of Christianity, but every day Christians like my previous roommate who would buy candles in the shape of Buddha for fun. That is incredibly disrespectful to Buddhists. This thread is talking about symbols of religion - the Christmas tree. Symbols of any religion are meaningful to those practicing that religion.

As has been pointed out many times, a Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.


Manger, yes, tree, no.

If people on this thread agreed with that, the tree as a secular form of celebration for all people would t be an issue and no need for this thread. But people disagree about this so here we are.

But that's the point exactly. If a non-Christian puts up a tree, it isn't religious and it isn't disrespectful.

Yes, it is disrespectful.

Sigh... explain why please.

Maybe read this first. https://www.history.com/topics/christmas/history-of-christmas-trees

Everyone knows that Christmas trees are from winter solstice celebrations HISTORICALLY, but in MODERN TIMES (aka the past 200 years), they are a clear symbol of Christmas. Having a Christmas tree with a star or an angel on top is not disrespectful. Having a Christmas tree and insisting it has nothing to do with Christianity because it's not really a symbol of Christmas is just pedantic and yes, somewhat disrespectful to Christians. Just celebrate it wholeheartedly instead of pretending it's not, at its core, a religious holiday.

You can keep saying that but it doesn't make it true.

Something means what it means to the person celebrating it. And in this case, there are a few thousand years of history backing it up. You don't get to say it is one thing because that is the way YOU were raised.

If you can find me the passage in the bible that talks about Christmas trees you might have something. But you don't, because it is not and has never been a religious symbol.

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Lol, to the PP complaining about other religions “stealing your Xmas traditions,” we’re “Hindi” (well, probably more atheist than anything), and we put up a tree every year. Sometimes we exchange gifts. So do all my Hindu friends. Suck it. And feel feee to pray for my soul.

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Also, you don’t sound very “Christian.”