Is MCPS positioning to shut down the GT/magnet programs?

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I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

We have to expand the program! But not too much! Just enough so that my kid is in it! Not more, not less!

-DCUM

Sigh. Do you really not understand the need for differentiation? That's what people are asking for. You can mock it by stating the ridiculous logical extreme, but that doesn't obviate the fact that differentiation is critical.

Nobody is arguing against differentiation.

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I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

We have to expand the program! But not too much! Just enough so that my kid is in it! Not more, not less!

-DCUM

Sigh. Do you really not understand the need for differentiation? That's what people are asking for. You can mock it by stating the ridiculous logical extreme, but that doesn't obviate the fact that differentiation is critical.

Nobody is arguing against differentiation.

As long as it ends up being a racially/socio economically balanced group in each category..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is laughable. The county is expanding these programs.

Expansion is what they did when they opened Poolesville That is a coherent Magnet program (multiple STEM classes for a cohort pulled from many high school clusters). What they are doing now is offering one enriched humanities and one enriched math class for some middle schools

So what would call it? They have expanded access to the enriched curriculum at the magnet level and didn't close the magnet programs. MCPS also added CES centers at the ES level. That is expansion to me.

+1 I don't get why people are fighting tooth and nail for their kids to be bused to a magnet. If there's a critical mass in the home school-educate them there. (And spare me the, it will be bad for the truly gifted--this is public school, the truly truly gifted who are rare can find a private option.)

I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

That is a valid concern and this is happening because either 1) a direct result of pushy parents at specific schools that push to have their kids in advanced classes or 2) most of the kids in that school are high performing and deserve to be in the class. However, it is not universal to most MCPS schools. My kid just left DCC ES and the school only had one compacted math class for 4/5 and 5/6. He has friends at other schools in the area that also have 1 or 2 sections, not the entire grade.

[Anonymous]

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I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

We have to expand the program! But not too much! Just enough so that my kid is in it! Not more, not less!

-DCUM

Sigh. Do you really not understand the need for differentiation? That's what people are asking for. You can mock it by stating the ridiculous logical extreme, but that doesn't obviate the fact that differentiation is critical.

Nobody is arguing against differentiation.

As long as it ends up being a racially/socio economically balanced group in each category..

congrats - you just said the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

[Anonymous]

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I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

We have to expand the program! But not too much! Just enough so that my kid is in it! Not more, not less!

-DCUM

Sigh. Do you really not understand the need for differentiation? That's what people are asking for. You can mock it by stating the ridiculous logical extreme, but that doesn't obviate the fact that differentiation is critical.

Nobody is arguing against differentiation.

As long as it ends up being a racially/socio economically balanced group in each category..

People like you are killing the school system.

[Anonymous]

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I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

We have to expand the program! But not too much! Just enough so that my kid is in it! Not more, not less!

-DCUM

Sigh. Do you really not understand the need for differentiation? That's what people are asking for. You can mock it by stating the ridiculous logical extreme, but that doesn't obviate the fact that differentiation is critical.

Nobody is arguing against differentiation.

As long as it ends up being a racially/socio economically balanced group in each category..

People like you are killing the school system.

Sarcastic response based on the report which said the competitive magnets need to be representative of the mcps overall population..

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is laughable. The county is expanding these programs.

Expansion is what they did when they opened Poolesville That is a coherent Magnet program (multiple STEM classes for a cohort pulled from many high school clusters). What they are doing now is offering one enriched humanities and one enriched math class for some middle schools

So what would call it? They have expanded access to the enriched curriculum at the magnet level and didn't close the magnet programs. MCPS also added CES centers at the ES level. That is expansion to me.

+1 I don't get why people are fighting tooth and nail for their kids to be bused to a magnet. If there's a critical mass in the home school-educate them there. (And spare me the, it will be bad for the truly gifted--this is public school, the truly truly gifted who are rare can find a private option.)

I am going to guess that the people who are responding that manget programs are not as necessarily have not had their kids in a magnet program. I like the idea of universal testing. I like the idea that the few kids who are outliers to their lower performing home schools are now given greater opportunities to access the magnet program. I even like the cohort idea and keeping the higher achieving kids local to their home middle schools. What I don't like is the lack of a truer "magnet" program that connects the courses together. One of the nice things at the HGC is how the curriculum was linked which allow the kids to be creative with the production of their work. Also, some of the kids we met at the CES/HGC are incredibly intelligent, something that I feel cannot be trained through any type of prepping.

I agree with the last poster

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is laughable. The county is expanding these programs.

Expansion is what they did when they opened Poolesville That is a coherent Magnet program (multiple STEM classes for a cohort pulled from many high school clusters). What they are doing now is offering one enriched humanities and one enriched math class for some middle schools

So what would call it? They have expanded access to the enriched curriculum at the magnet level and didn't close the magnet programs. MCPS also added CES centers at the ES level. That is expansion to me.

+1 I don't get why people are fighting tooth and nail for their kids to be bused to a magnet. If there's a critical mass in the home school-educate them there. (And spare me the, it will be bad for the truly gifted--this is public school, the truly truly gifted who are rare can find a private option.)

I am going to guess that the people who are responding that manget programs are not as necessarily have not had their kids in a magnet program. I like the idea of universal testing. I like the idea that the few kids who are outliers to their lower performing home schools are now given greater opportunities to access the magnet program. I even like the cohort idea and keeping the higher achieving kids local to their home middle schools. What I don't like is the lack of a truer "magnet" program that connects the courses together. One of the nice things at the HGC is how the curriculum was linked which allow the kids to be creative with the production of their work. Also, some of the kids we met at the CES/HGC are incredibly intelligent, something that I feel cannot be trained through any type of prepping.

So the top 1% has been getting a great education while the lower 99% gets a standard flawed curriculum with limited enrichment at the lower grades. My kids aren't old enough for magnets, but I'm really surprised MoCo has this system.

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So the top 1% has been getting a great education while the lower 99% gets a standard flawed curriculum with limited enrichment at the lower grades. My kids aren't old enough for magnets, but I'm really surprised MoCo has this system.

Good news! It doesn't!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My middle school expanded the "advanced" curriculum to include everybody. That was not an improvement for anyone.

The advanced curriculum was never mean to mean gifted. It was always mean to be more rigorous. Turns out that even kids who weren’t gifted benefited from exposure to the more rigorous content and methods.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely not! They're clearly positioning to expand it.

[Anonymous]

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I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

We have to expand the program! But not too much! Just enough so that my kid is in it! Not more, not less!

-DCUM

Sigh. Do you really not understand the need for differentiation? That's what people are asking for. You can mock it by stating the ridiculous logical extreme, but that doesn't obviate the fact that differentiation is critical.

Nobody is arguing against differentiation.

As long as it ends up being a racially/socio economically balanced group in each category..

congrats - you just said the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the benefits of desegregation.

[Anonymous]

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So the top 1% has been getting a great education while the lower 99% gets a standard flawed curriculum with limited enrichment at the lower grades. My kids aren't old enough for magnets, but I'm really surprised MoCo has this system.

Good news! It doesn't!

What percentage of MoCo students attends magnets?

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Anonymous wrote:

I think the concern is that the program will eventually/quickly be expanded to include everyone and we will be back to where we started. My elementary school has every one in compact math now. When it started it was just a few kids.

We have to expand the program! But not too much! Just enough so that my kid is in it! Not more, not less!

-DCUM

Sigh. Do you really not understand the need for differentiation? That's what people are asking for. You can mock it by stating the ridiculous logical extreme, but that doesn't obviate the fact that differentiation is critical.

Nobody is arguing against differentiation.

As long as it ends up being a racially/socio economically balanced group in each category..

congrats - you just said the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the benefits of desegregation.

Ok, let's break this down.

WHY would they say it is a goal to have racial and socioeconomically balanced group in each magnet program?

Because it is a consequence of closing the achievement gap, and each group would have an equal opportunity to be represented.

A clear way to get there (based on evidence) is by supporting economic and racial DEsegregation. Segregated schools contribute to decreased achievement and opportunity for disadvantaged students, and integrated schools DO NOT hold back students with economic or racial privilege.

So tell me again why this is the dumbest thing you ever heard?

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What percentage of MoCo students attends magnets?

Here is a report for you to read: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/info/choice/ChoiceStudyReport-Version2-20160307.pdf