Columbia or Harvey Mudd?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should they place emphasis on what those short-sighted immigrants or international audiences have to think? The students at those top LACs are not only getting an outstanding undergrad experience, they're getting into the top grad schools and top job opportunities in the US. This is well-established. Look up LinkedIn, look up grad school destinations, you'll see that the top LACs match the top universities for outcomes. So why does it matter so much what you and others have to think? The proof is in the pudding that grads go to great places from them.

I’m not an immigrant and I’ve never heard of Harvey Mudd. If you combine the lack of name recognition with the low average GPA for engineering students-these are both significant disadvantages relative to Columbia, which is a great school and has a relatively tiny undergrad program.

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Anonymous wrote:I would pick Columbia over Harvey Mudd - how amazing to be in NYC. Columbia campus is lovely. Right next to Riverside Park. It is secluded from NYC but the city is right there if you want to go have fun or explore. Harvey Mudd has nicer weather but boring suburban location. Also, Columbia has the name recognition.
Harvey Mudd is a great school though and I would be thrilled if my kid got in. Harvey Mudd almost feels more exclusive though like a small elite club that not many people know about.

Columbia campus lovely? Just no.

I love the Columbia campus and I am not a graduate from there.
What is there not to like? I don't get it. It is not in the middle of woods or anything given it is in NYC but it has a lovely college feel.
Barnard, OTH, feels grim and depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:Your pros and cons are skewed to favor Harvey Mudd.

But as a European living in this country I say take Columbia, I have never even heard of this ridiculously named place, Harvey Mudd. Who cares how much money they pay you? They should be paying you a WAGE to attend if you are eligible at Columbia.

I honestly feel that you as a European should not weigh in on something when you clearly admit you don't know what you are talking about! What if an American chimed in on a comparison between two European universities by saying I've only heard about Oxford so you should go there?

How ridiculous!

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t imagine answering “I went to Harvey Mudd” when you could say “Columbia” for the rest of your life.

See the post before yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Your pros and cons are skewed to favor Harvey Mudd.

But as a European living in this country I say take Columbia, I have never even heard of this ridiculously named place, Harvey Mudd. Who cares how much money they pay you? They should be paying you a WAGE to attend if you are eligible at Columbia.

I honestly feel that you as a European should not weigh in on something when you clearly admit you don't know what you are talking about! What if an American chimed in on a comparison between two European universities by saying I've only heard about Oxford so you should go there?

How ridiculous!

People elsewhere will be hard pressed to name european universities other than Oxford and Cambridge. By this idiot's logic, europeans shouldn't bother with college since no one outside their small village knows their college.

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Anonymous wrote:I would pick Columbia over Harvey Mudd - how amazing to be in NYC. Columbia campus is lovely. Right next to Riverside Park. It is secluded from NYC but the city is right there if you want to go have fun or explore. Harvey Mudd has nicer weather but boring suburban location. Also, Columbia has the name recognition.
Harvey Mudd is a great school though and I would be thrilled if my kid got in. Harvey Mudd almost feels more exclusive though like a small elite club that not many people know about.

Columbia campus lovely? Just no.

I love the Columbia campus and I am not a graduate from there.
What is there not to like? I don't get it. It is not in the middle of woods or anything given it is in NYC but it has a lovely college feel.
Barnard, OTH, feels grim and depressing.

$5 coke.

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Wow, I can't believe this convo is still going. I feel bad for the OP.

Look people, you've heard from the experts that Harvey Mudd is better for computer science.

If what matters to you as a parent is impressing your neighbors with brand recognition, then bless your heart and go on living in your strange ignorant bubble. Post-college the child will not care about Columbia's brand for impressing people because Harvey Mudd is way more well known for computer science amongst her future peers. She is likely to get a more impressed reaction from peers by a Harvey Mudd degree than a Columbia degree.

Then you factor in the scholarship... good grief there's no question. Otherwise you must have money to burn and enjoy burning it.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can't believe this convo is still going. I feel bad for the OP.

Look people, you've heard from the experts that Harvey Mudd is better for computer science.

If what matters to you as a parent is impressing your neighbors with brand recognition, then bless your heart and go on living in your strange ignorant bubble. Post-college the child will not care about Columbia's brand for impressing people because Harvey Mudd is way more well known for computer science amongst her future peers. She is likely to get a more impressed reaction from peers by a Harvey Mudd degree than a Columbia degree.

Then you factor in the scholarship... good grief there's no question. Otherwise you must have money to burn and enjoy burning it.

Yeah, I think I answered this question on page 1 or 2 and had the same reaction to see it going on this long.. Not even going to bother reading pages 2-9

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Anonymous wrote:Your pros and cons are skewed to favor Harvey Mudd.

But as a European living in this country I say take Columbia, I have never even heard of this ridiculously named place, Harvey Mudd. Who cares how much money they pay you? They should be paying you a WAGE to attend if you are eligible at Columbia.

I honestly feel that you as a European should not weigh in on something when you clearly admit you don't know what you are talking about! What if an American chimed in on a comparison between two European universities by saying I've only heard about Oxford so you should go there?

How ridiculous!

People elsewhere will be hard pressed to name european universities other than Oxford and Cambridge. By this idiot's logic, europeans shouldn't bother with college since no one outside their small village knows their college.

A school whose name that references bovines crossing the river is clearly more ridiculous then one named after a man, so let's cross Oxford off that list.

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Anonymous wrote:Your pros and cons are skewed to favor Harvey Mudd.

But as a European living in this country I say take Columbia, I have never even heard of this ridiculously named place, Harvey Mudd. Who cares how much money they pay you? They should be paying you a WAGE to attend if you are eligible at Columbia.

I honestly feel that you as a European should not weigh in on something when you clearly admit you don't know what you are talking about! What if an American chimed in on a comparison between two European universities by saying I've only heard about Oxford so you should go there?

How ridiculous!

People elsewhere will be hard pressed to name european universities other than Oxford and Cambridge. By this idiot's logic, europeans shouldn't bother with college since no one outside their small village knows their college.

A school whose name that references bovines crossing the river is clearly more ridiculous then one named after a man, so let's cross Oxford off that list.

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Anonymous wrote:Your pros and cons are skewed to favor Harvey Mudd.

But as a European living in this country I say take Columbia, I have never even heard of this ridiculously named place, Harvey Mudd. Who cares how much money they pay you? They should be paying you a WAGE to attend if you are eligible at Columbia.

I honestly feel that you as a European should not weigh in on something when you clearly admit you don't know what you are talking about! What if an American chimed in on a comparison between two European universities by saying I've only heard about Oxford so you should go there?

How ridiculous!

People elsewhere will be hard pressed to name european universities other than Oxford and Cambridge. By this idiot's logic, europeans shouldn't bother with college since no one outside their small village knows their college.

A school whose name that references bovines crossing the river is clearly more ridiculous then one named after a man, so let's cross Oxford off that list.

That's how that European immigrant would think, which school is more prestigious. Oxford va. Cambridge? BMW vs. Mercedes? Whichever has more brand power and recognition. Immigrants generally come to the USA for economic reasons. They are young, scrappy, and hungry. Like Hamilton, they would choose King's college, Columbia. Americans have matures and evolves since the young Hamilton days. Hopefully, as Ralph Waldo Emerson taught us, we quit looking to Europeans for ideas and learn to think for ourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I would pick Columbia over Harvey Mudd - how amazing to be in NYC. Columbia campus is lovely. Right next to Riverside Park. It is secluded from NYC but the city is right there if you want to go have fun or explore. Harvey Mudd has nicer weather but boring suburban location. Also, Columbia has the name recognition.
Harvey Mudd is a great school though and I would be thrilled if my kid got in. Harvey Mudd almost feels more exclusive though like a small elite club that not many people know about.

Columbia campus lovely? Just no.

I love the Columbia campus and I am not a graduate from there.
What is there not to like? I don't get it. It is not in the middle of woods or anything given it is in NYC but it has a lovely college feel.
Barnard, OTH, feels grim and depressing.

How can Barnard feel grim and depressing, right there across the street, with kids taking classes at both, living at both?

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Anonymous wrote:Academics in STEM will know Harvey Mudd well. It sounds like some PPs are reigniting the debate DCUM so often seems to fall into re. name recognition among lay people and other factors pretty distant from the academic environment.

That said, I agree there are pros and cons to both. You've made a good list, OP. What is your DC thinking?

We can finance Columbia. Daughter definitely prefers the vibe at Mudd, but is afraid about what could happen if she decides she doesn't want to do STEM. All her friends/family are puzzling over Mudd as well, so while she knows Mudd has good tech outcomes, what happens if she didn't want to do that?

Mudd seems like a riskier option, basically.

Well that's easy - Pomona, Scripps, Pitzer, Claremont. Take classes or enroll there. One of my friend's DDs who could not get into Clarement enrolled at Scripps at takes classes on the other campuses.

You can cross register within the 5c. But OP's concern is what happens if the student doesn't want a STEM major? You still need a major at Harvey?

why you guys can't google is beyond me. YES - big political science, etc, opportunities and major at Mudd AND at the other colleges. Or she can just apply to one of the others for a transfer to that college if she chooses. https://www.hmc.edu/hsa/

Because it's OP's child, s/he needs to verify info through Mudd. I wouldn't make college decision by just by googling. Googled info should be verified through the college.

No, my complaint is with the PP who just dashes off "but op's concern is what happens if the student doesn't want a STEM major" You still need a major at Harvey" without bothering to even google the most basic fact. Anyone who knows anything about the Claremont Colleges knows that you can major in whatever you want in each college, so that if STEM doesn't work out, they can still be a political science major at Mudd or apply to transfer to one of the other colleges there. OR, just take political science courses in the other colleges. That's the beauty of the Claremont colleges. Why bother to post something so stupid without checking first? And then PP's response is "Because it's OP's child s/he needs to very info through Mudd". Oh, that's very helpful. Of course they should. My initial point was why make a stupid observation which either the reader should have known had they read all the posts or take three seconds to google. Or not post at all if you are just a stupid person. And then don't try to make it justifiable by putting the blame on the OP parent. I think some people post here just because it somehow makes them feel good about themselves - as if they can contribute or are knowledgeable - but most aren't and don't add anything to the discussion.

It was based on basic knowledge that a college requires basic core courses, unless it's an open curriculum school. STEM schools can't be open curriculum if ABET accredited. There must be core engineering required courses. This is why engineering is so hard.

This comment is non-responsive. Point is: don't post ignorance. Google if you don't know. Yes you can be a liberal arts major at Mudd, and/or take classes at the other collelges and/or apply as a transfer student. This is very well known in the college community.

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Anonymous wrote:I would pick Columbia over Harvey Mudd - how amazing to be in NYC. Columbia campus is lovely. Right next to Riverside Park. It is secluded from NYC but the city is right there if you want to go have fun or explore. Harvey Mudd has nicer weather but boring suburban location. Also, Columbia has the name recognition.
Harvey Mudd is a great school though and I would be thrilled if my kid got in. Harvey Mudd almost feels more exclusive though like a small elite club that not many people know about.

Columbia campus lovely? Just no.

I love the Columbia campus and I am not a graduate from there.
What is there not to like? I don't get it. It is not in the middle of woods or anything given it is in NYC but it has a lovely college feel.
Barnard, OTH, feels grim and depressing.

How can Barnard feel grim and depressing, right there across the street, with kids taking classes at both, living at both?

No clue about Barnard. But I’ve been to Columbia many times. It is not lovely. NYC can be a tough city for those not used to urban life.

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OP here, she's Harvey Mudd bound and very excited! Says she probably would have picked it even if costs were the same. Thanks for all the feedback. She is looking forward to a great CS education and the added opportunities of the other Claremonts.