Haycock class changes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are incorrect! Haycock neighbors are not subsidizing the educational system in the rest of the county. The as you move away from that area, homes may be cheaper per area, but the are bigger and cost the same or more, so the tax dollars are the same. Moreso, in areas with less affluent demographics, the parents with more money send their kids to private schools, and double paying for their children's education.

Mire specialized teachers cost more, thus they are costing the county more. Don't be too full of yourself with your property vales! Chesterbrook, Kent Gardens and Franklin Sherman alone have higher lot/property values than Haycock. There are many other neighborhoods with average property values way higher than Haycock.

You want all to be equal, but you like being more equal than others.

Chesterbrook and FS use the AAP at Haycock.

They do not use the aap at haycock. The AAP is not for haycock alone, but for all 4 schools. It just happens to be located at Haycock, because you have to locate it somewhere.

The point is that the Haycock tax dollars are not covering for the education of other children in the county, but only for their own, and probably some of the county is covering for Haycock, because property values are higher in total in other areas of the county, and a disproportionate percentage of parents take their kids to private schools from FARM areas, thus allowing for more of their tax dollars to go to experiments such as Haycock. I would like to see similar programs throughout the county, be those the Haycock programs or not, but there is no reason why these programs should be so specific to Haycock.

Why don't you fight for these programs to be implemented throughout the county? Because you know it is not financially feasible, and the county can't pay for them everywhere.

This is incorrect. In FFX , Haycock and Wolftrap get the lowest amount of $ per child. The highest amount goes to the Title 1 schools. There is no extra cost to this program. The children are grouped by abilities. There is zero incremental cost. You can also request this method to be done at your children's elementary school. This program works at Haycock because there is a need for advanced math.

Title I schools receive Federal funds, not property tax funds. With Federal funds, one loses autonomy. There is a need for advanced math all across America, but it seems that in other schools, kids are not allowed to go more than 1 grade above grade level. in other schools you CAN'T even get advanced math in K-2, even if you want to. It is NOT offered.

I accept that maybe there are more advance kids in math at Haycock than at other individual schools, but so what? There are many more throughout the county who at not served, and all together there are more advanced kids throughout the county than at Haycock alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

This is a pretty big assumption. It may be the case, but it also may be that out of the 8 6th grade teachers, two are better or have more of a passion about math, two are better or have more of a passion about science, etc. The one who really likes math may hate grammar. It's just playing on their talents and interests, and I don't think there's a requirement for a masters or formal specialization.

It also could be as you say, but then if you have your two math teaches, and one of the science ones leaves, now you have to replace her with another science teacher, and not any other teacher, thus reducing equal employment opportunities, with inconsistent practices throughout the county.

Then Haycock becomes like a monopoly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

Because I looked at the budget and pay scale, all public information. Bailey's and Bailey's Upper ES get the most money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the county taxes people at the same rate, therefore people pay the same into the educational system, why should Haycocks be different than other elementary schools? Why should this diffetentiation be offered there and not elsewhere? Why should the county go out of its way to retain these teachers at Haycock and not make them available in other schools?

Haycock is not accessible to families outside of the attendance zone, so why should all these resources go to it? The parents that want such special learning can elect private schools, like other parents who do not like public education do! I'm not about not letting people have their way, but why should Haycock be privileged?

Any principal can implement the rotation at his/her elementary school level if needed. It was necessary at Haycock because there are children who are very advanced in math and need special classes. Some of them go to Longfellow for middle school math while they are still in elementary school. Most of the teachers who leave go to N Arlington because it's close and the pay is better. The teachers can work where they want, this is not communist Russia.

Is there something in the water in the Haycock boundary zone that makes special children who are very advanced in math and need "special" classes and treatment, more so than in any other elementary school in FCPS?

Haycock is a center school that feeds into Longfellow. Longfellow is one of the top feeders to TJ. Many families purposely buy/rent in Haycock for this reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are incorrect! Haycock neighbors are not subsidizing the educational system in the rest of the county. The as you move away from that area, homes may be cheaper per area, but the are bigger and cost the same or more, so the tax dollars are the same. Moreso, in areas with less affluent demographics, the parents with more money send their kids to private schools, and double paying for their children's education.

Mire specialized teachers cost more, thus they are costing the county more. Don't be too full of yourself with your property vales! Chesterbrook, Kent Gardens and Franklin Sherman alone have higher lot/property values than Haycock. There are many other neighborhoods with average property values way higher than Haycock.

You want all to be equal, but you like being more equal than others.

Chesterbrook and FS use the AAP at Haycock.

They do not use the aap at haycock. The AAP is not for haycock alone, but for all 4 schools. It just happens to be located at Haycock, because you have to locate it somewhere.

The point is that the Haycock tax dollars are not covering for the education of other children in the county, but only for their own, and probably some of the county is covering for Haycock, because property values are higher in total in other areas of the county, and a disproportionate percentage of parents take their kids to private schools from FARM areas, thus allowing for more of their tax dollars to go to experiments such as Haycock. I would like to see similar programs throughout the county, be those the Haycock programs or not, but there is no reason why these programs should be so specific to Haycock.

Why don't you fight for these programs to be implemented throughout the county? Because you know it is not financially feasible, and the county can't pay for them everywhere.

This is incorrect. In FFX , Haycock and Wolftrap get the lowest amount of $ per child. The highest amount goes to the Title 1 schools. There is no extra cost to this program. The children are grouped by abilities. There is zero incremental cost. You can also request this method to be done at your children's elementary school. This program works at Haycock because there is a need for advanced math.

Title I schools receive Federal funds, not property tax funds. With Federal funds, one loses autonomy. There is a need for advanced math all across America, but it seems that in other schools, kids are not allowed to go more than 1 grade above grade level. in other schools you CAN'T even get advanced math in K-2, even if you want to. It is NOT offered.

I accept that maybe there are more advance kids in math at Haycock than at other individual schools, but so what? There are many more throughout the county who at not served, and all together there are more advanced kids throughout the county than at Haycock alone.

This is such a sour grapes approach. So because you can't implement something like this at your school, it must be taken away from Haycock?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are incorrect! Haycock neighbors are not subsidizing the educational system in the rest of the county. The as you move away from that area, homes may be cheaper per area, but the are bigger and cost the same or more, so the tax dollars are the same. Moreso, in areas with less affluent demographics, the parents with more money send their kids to private schools, and double paying for their children's education.

Mire specialized teachers cost more, thus they are costing the county more. Don't be too full of yourself with your property vales! Chesterbrook, Kent Gardens and Franklin Sherman alone have higher lot/property values than Haycock. There are many other neighborhoods with average property values way higher than Haycock.

You want all to be equal, but you like being more equal than others.

Chesterbrook and FS use the AAP at Haycock.

They do not use the aap at haycock. The AAP is not for haycock alone, but for all 4 schools. It just happens to be located at Haycock, because you have to locate it somewhere.

The point is that the Haycock tax dollars are not covering for the education of other children in the county, but only for their own, and probably some of the county is covering for Haycock, because property values are higher in total in other areas of the county, and a disproportionate percentage of parents take their kids to private schools from FARM areas, thus allowing for more of their tax dollars to go to experiments such as Haycock. I would like to see similar programs throughout the county, be those the Haycock programs or not, but there is no reason why these programs should be so specific to Haycock.

Why don't you fight for these programs to be implemented throughout the county? Because you know it is not financially feasible, and the county can't pay for them everywhere.

This is incorrect. In FFX , Haycock and Wolftrap get the lowest amount of $ per child. The highest amount goes to the Title 1 schools. There is no extra cost to this program. The children are grouped by abilities. There is zero incremental cost. You can also request this method to be done at your children's elementary school. This program works at Haycock because there is a need for advanced math.

Title I schools receive Federal funds, not property tax funds. With Federal funds, one loses autonomy. There is a need for advanced math all across America, but it seems that in other schools, kids are not allowed to go more than 1 grade above grade level. in other schools you CAN'T even get advanced math in K-2, even if you want to. It is NOT offered.

I accept that maybe there are more advance kids in math at Haycock than at other individual schools, but so what? There are many more throughout the county who at not served, and all together there are more advanced kids throughout the county than at Haycock alone.

This is such a sour grapes approach. So because you can't implement something like this at your school, it must be taken away from Haycock?

Absolutely not! I am happy that some kids get to learn math, but not at the expense of other kids who aren't provided that same opportunity. Its actually the opposite, I'm saying that not only your kids need the sweet, juicy grapes, but all kids do. There is no reason do despair. If you think the rest of the county is doing well, you'll be doing well too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Haycock is a center school that feeds into Longfellow. Longfellow is one of the top feeders to TJ. Many families purposely buy/rent in Haycock for this reason.

Indeed, I think FCPS finds this undesirable and is working to discourage it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Haycock is a center school that feeds into Longfellow. Longfellow is one of the top feeders to TJ. Many families purposely buy/rent in Haycock for this reason.

Indeed, I think FCPS finds this undesirable and is working to discourage it.

This is probably close to the truth and why this current principal was chosen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Haycock is a center school that feeds into Longfellow. Longfellow is one of the top feeders to TJ. Many families purposely buy/rent in Haycock for this reason.

Indeed, I think FCPS finds this undesirable and is working to discourage it.

This is probably close to the truth and why this current principal was chosen.

Why are you worried? You vote for equality right? There you have it now! Do you not like being equal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Haycock is a center school that feeds into Longfellow. Longfellow is one of the top feeders to TJ. Many families purposely buy/rent in Haycock for this reason.

Indeed, I think FCPS finds this undesirable and is working to discourage it.

This is probably close to the truth and why this current principal was chosen.

Why are you worried? You vote for equality right? There you have it now! Do you not like being equal?

I am 15:38 and I find so-called TJ feeder schools undesirable. Worried? Where did you get that?

[Anonymous]

This thread has been overtaken by non-Haycock parents. Probably useless to continue discussion here.

[Anonymous]

Haycock parents, just attend the Pta mtg. There’s a lot of speculation and probably misinformation on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

Because I looked at the budget and pay scale, all public information. Bailey's and Bailey's Upper ES get the most money.

Then move and send your children to Bailey’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Haycock parents, just attend the Pta mtg. There’s a lot of speculation and probably misinformation on this thread.

agreed. Though I'm betting admin is praying for snow. It would be nice if the PTA sets a make up date right now to make sure it doesn't slip

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

Because I looked at the budget and pay scale, all public information. Bailey's and Bailey's Upper ES get the most money.

Then move and send your children to Bailey’s.

link please!